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Old Hat
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Posted 6/25/2021 6:13 PM (GMT -7)
I'd advise any UCer vaccinated with 2 Pfizers or 2 Modernas NOT to panic over antibody tests at this point. Recently I did hear Professor Wafaa El-Sadr, chief epidemiologist at Columbia University Medical Center in NY, say during a faculty/staff Webinar that no firm evidence is yet available RE post-vaccine antibody levels and need for booster shots. She stated that reliable conclusions on that may not come 'til the end of this year! So try to stay calm and keep avoiding crowds especially if you live in areas where masking & social-distancing were not taken seriously. The main medical concern now seems to be spread of the Delta-variant of COVID-19, the one that evolved in India. UK & Israel are taking it seriously & requiring people to mask up again even if vaccinated. I live in NYC, where we are still required to mask up on mass transit, in medical offices, and in many supermarkets and shops, also in large apt. bldgs. Not a big deal for most of us; we got used to it by May 2020. A satire published in 6/21 New Yorker magazine says that we in NY now feel naked if our lower face goes uncovered, LOL! / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC)
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Sara14
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Posted 6/25/2021 7:45 PM (GMT -7)

MmeMulot said...
People like you and other folks who are immune-compromised are part of why I'm so cranky about mask mandates being pretty much nonexistent anymore in most places. Even vaccinated with apparently good antibodies, I feel less safe than I did a month and a half ago because of all the maskless people around.

Same here!
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Twingirls
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Posted 6/26/2021 10:15 AM (GMT -7)
I was just reading a study out of England. They have trialed 3 doses of Pfizer on organ transplant patients. Adding a 3rd dose increased the percentage of people responding to the vaccine and increased the antibody levels of those who did respond after the 2nd. Maybe that would be a question to ask doctors. Here is the study. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108861

Post Edited (Twingirls) : 6/27/2021 11:24:05 AM (GMT-6)

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Sara14
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Posted 6/26/2021 3:08 PM (GMT -7)
I didn't make it to LabCorps yesterday. They wouldn't let me make a same-day appointment and the surgeon kept me waiting in the little waiting room for 40 minutes so I was exhausted and didn't want to drive farther and chance being turned away. I will try to go again another time.

I hung out with a friend for the first time in almost a year today. We got coffee and sat outside. She is vaccinated, but there were quite a few other people sitting out on the patio as well. I'm still a bit worried because I'm on both Xeljanz and prednisone right now. Hopefully it'll be ok... I still haven't gone inside a grocery store in over a year. I live in a rural area in a conservative state...our vax rates are low and most people aren't wearing masks anymore.
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CCinPA
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Posted 6/28/2021 7:45 AM (GMT -7)
I live in Pennsylvania and they just removed all restrictions and mask requirements (except on public transportation). I get that everyone is tired of this, but worry that we are going to have a rise in cases because other than the old and at risk people, vaccination rates are lower than 50%. The old and at risk people are 80-90% vaccinated.

Clo, sorry you don't have a response, but you have made it so far without getting Covid. Keep doing what you have been.

Stay safe everyone!
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clo2014
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Posted 6/28/2021 8:35 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks everyone.

I live in the south. The vaccine rate is not what I would like it to be...and forget the facemask. Very few people want to wear a mask. I wear one wherever I go....even when I get out to put gas in my car. Germx is in my front pocket.....and I isolate. I do get tired of people looking at me like I am crazy though. Lol...

They are still researching if I should try the 2nd vaccine. I had surgery in April, had Remicade in May and 1 week later went into acute renal failure.... My egfr has increased to 69 from 45 which is wonderful. But now my infectious disease doctor has advised me not to get any vaccine shots at all. (I was scheduled for shingles vaccine and then the next month for Moderna. The nephrologist said no MX, no Remicade and absolutely no vaccines.) I will let you all know how it goes.

Stay safe everyone!

Clo
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Sara14
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Posted 6/30/2021 7:07 AM (GMT -7)
How long does it take to get your results after the test? I made an appointment with LabCorps for July 6 because I will be in that area again for a colo-rectal surgeon appointment. Sorry if the timeline has already been mentioned here. I don't want to re-read all 3 pages, lol.
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CCinPA
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Posted 6/30/2021 2:32 PM (GMT -7)
I think my results took about 10 days, Sara

I contacted Pfizer because I saw that they were going to do a study for people who didn't get a good response to the vaccines to see how they do with booster shots. I just got an email from them saying they wanted to speak to me and that I should call them. I will do that tomorrow and let you know how that goes. I'm kinda excited. I would love to not feel so stressed when I go anywhere so hoping maybe a 3rd shot would do the trick.
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momto2boys
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Posted 6/30/2021 4:53 PM (GMT -7)
CC, that’s great! I hope they can bring you in to their study!
I wonder what their threshold is for a “good” response. I didn’t feel overly pleased with my results but at least it was in the 30’s.
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CCinPA
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Posted 7/1/2021 8:37 AM (GMT -7)
I don't know why Pfizer said they wanted to speak to me. They had zero info and told me to look for trials/studies online. They gave me a phone number for their clinical trials department who told me to find a study/trial online and then call them. Complete waste of time. sad
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Twingirls
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Posted 7/1/2021 10:33 AM (GMT -7)
I am going to see my general practitioner in a week and I am going to talk to her about the actual test. I wonder what range people who are not on immunosuppressive meds had. They should have studied the test on “normal people” 1st. I wonder why UNC picked the ranges for their bar graph. I saw the graph when it only had about 47 people’s results and it’s always been those ranges. Why is the last range 30 and up. Did most non suppressed people get in the 30 to 40 range.
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Twingirls
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Posted 7/1/2021 10:37 AM (GMT -7)

CCinPA said...
I don't know why Pfizer said they wanted to speak to me. They had zero info and told me to look for trials/studies online. They gave me a phone number for their clinical trials department who told me to find a study/trial online and then call them. Complete waste of time. sad

That is weird. I know they just studied organ transplant people and they received a 3rd Pfizer vaccine and it helped. Also they are saying anyone over 65 or immunosuppressed will probably need a booster every year. They are currently in studies with a booster shot and should have info the end of summer/early fall.
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IamCurious
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Posted 7/1/2021 1:53 PM (GMT -7)
Is there a test that measures T Cells? The antibody test may not be accurate.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-brief-fda-advises-against-use-sars-cov-2-antibody-test-results-evaluate-immunity-or-protection

”The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a safety communication informing the public that results from SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate immunity or protection from COVID-19 at any time, and especially after the person received a COVID-19 vaccination.”
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Twingirls
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Posted 7/1/2021 7:44 PM (GMT -7)

IamCurious said...
Is there a test that measures T Cells? The antibody test may not be accurate.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-brief-fda-advises-against-use-sars-cov-2-antibody-test-results-evaluate-immunity-or-protection

”The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a safety communication informing the public that results from SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate immunity or protection from COVID-19 at any time, and especially after the person received a COVID-19 vaccination.”

I read the vaccine doesn’t bring about a t-cell response but does bring about a b-cell response. I know the group in England that 1st looked at IBD and immune suppressants are looking into this. Not sure how long it will take for that info.
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Sara14
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Posted 7/4/2021 7:33 AM (GMT -7)
It's all very confusing. :/
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Sara14
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Posted 7/8/2021 6:28 AM (GMT -7)
LabCorps is terrible. I will never go there again unless I have to. There were 3 people in the waiting room, two with their masks under their noses and one lady not even wearing one. I really had to use the bathroom and no one was at the front desk and I called 4 times and no one picked up, so I asked the maskless lady if she knew if there was a bathroom anywhere nearby. She then said "I'm probably going to be told I need to wear a mask but 'the mask thing is over.'" I didn't feel like dying that day from a crazy lunatic so I was good and didn't say anything. I left and drove to a nearby dental office and thankfully they were really nice and let me use their restroom.

I did like that they let me go inside to check-in and then I waited outside in my car and they texted me when they were ready. I got there an hour before my appointment so I checked in early but still had to wait 50 minutes. I didn't realize the wait would be that long. There were only 2 people ahead of me. How does it take 50 minutes to draw blood from 2 people?

Anyway, hope I get my results soon.
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Old Hat
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Posted 7/8/2021 3:44 PM (GMT -7)
USA Today has an updated report on Pfizer booster shot development/testing that says, per studies ongoing at the Institut Pasteur in Paris + at Bio-N-Tech, that a 3rd vaccine shot may be advisable 6 months after the 2nd to boost antibodies. Presently they think 2nd shot confers good protection against "Delta variant" for several months at least, but, even in patients recovered from COVID-19 infection, major antibody loss shows after 1 yr interval. (Which jells with what 3TimeChamp learned from his antibody test a couple months back then posted here on the forum.) It's important for immune-suppressed people not to panic over the antibody question, but to avoid places where indoor air transmission of the virus would still be possible. That's the most likely source of COVID infection at this point in USA. I also heard another Webinar report from NY epidemiologist Dr. Wafaa El-Sadr last week, where she commented that the vaccine testing results continue to be "encouraging"-- so persons already vaccinated have good reason to stay positive. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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songlady
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Posted 7/9/2021 8:34 AM (GMT -7)
Hi all -
I have been lurking and following this thread. I thank everyone for sharing their experiences and knowledge! I especially have appreciated your updates, OH!
I work with a religious congregation. We closed the building in March 2020 and had all events online. We just reopened in June but also continue online (and so far about 50% of the "regulars" come in person while 50% stay home and watch online. )
But - as a staff person who feels responsible for the welfare of the group, I have had to bring up things like masks: for everyone or just the unvaccinated? What about the children? Almost all the 65+ crowd have had the vax, so they think "it's over." Yikes. And then - what about the staff who might be immunocompromised? I feel as if I am at the Alamo, promoting caution in terms of masks, and topics like (oh horrors!) singing...
I hope I have not been too off-topic here, but the possible need for boosters, and the efficacy of the vax for anyone immunocompromised is something I worry about daily, for others as well as for myself. THANK YOU, all who have provided info!
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Sara14
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Posted 7/21/2021 6:15 AM (GMT -7)
I still haven't received my results. I got the labwork done on July 6. Should I be reaching out to the UNC study coordinators? Edit: I emailed them and they said they will send me the results in a "secure email" later today.
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CCinPA
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Posted 7/21/2021 8:58 AM (GMT -7)
I had trouble opening the secure email. I use Outlook 365 as my email client and it wouldn't open. But when I accessed my email account through the web browser instead it opened without a problem.

I think the study is overwhelmed because they have over 3000 people in it. With a study that big they should have some good info when it's done.

Let us know what your results are if you don't mind sharing.
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momto2boys
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Posted 7/21/2021 9:29 AM (GMT -7)
It took around 2 weeks to get my secure message with my results. Hopefully you will get them soon.
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Twingirls
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Posted 7/21/2021 9:40 AM (GMT -7)
You can make yourself a Labcorp account and get your results that way. The CDC and FDA will be meeting tomorrow (Thursday) about immunocompromised patients and 3rd shots. Though a Dr on CNN said some Drs are already recommending a 3rd shot before the CDC has met. Anyone ask their doctors? I feel like neither my PCP or GI have any clue about anything and they are not actively searching out info. When I ask either questions they say either go ask your GI or go ask your PCP. One even told me to reach out to the CDC. Ummm I would think the CDC is more likely to answer a Drs question than me. Ugh… so frustrating. I am a teacher at a high school and will be back to work in 3 1/2 weeks mask optional.
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momto2boys
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Posted 7/21/2021 10:44 AM (GMT -7)
Twin girls, my gi said that he wanted to wait for the Cdc to rule in a 3rd shot. I teach in college so I feel you on going back to work. We are masks optional because all students are required to be vaccinated but they are not requiring faculty or staff to be vaccinated. I’m hoping to keep windows open when I teach no matter what the weather, we dont have ac in my building and our heat is radiant so no air filtration.
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Sara14
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Posted 7/21/2021 12:47 PM (GMT -7)

CCinPA said...
Let us know what your results are if you don't mind sharing.

I'll definitely post my results when I get them. I was on Stelara and Uceris when I got my shots. Thanks all. Maybe I'll try creating a LabCorps account. Thanks, Twingirls for that info.
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Sara14
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Posted 7/21/2021 12:56 PM (GMT -7)
I created a LabCorps account (thanks again!) and see my results. My result is 10. So, I guess that's good? Sounds a lot lower than what some of you all got though.
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