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Old Mike
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Posted 2/15/2022 4:00 PM (GMT -7)
Well this takes the cake. Seems I just swallowed a large molar dental filling. Hopefully it does not cut
me up,or create some kind of gut infection, and of course has to pass out of the stoma. I should probably try and make myself vomit,then I might risk getting some stuff into my lungs. Got a picture of the hole,might be half of a crown. Can't believe I did not feel it before I swallowed. Frigging mess. Oldmike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 2/15/2022 4:44:32 PM (GMT-7)

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FlowersGal
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Posted 2/15/2022 4:06 PM (GMT -7)
Sheesh! If it ain’t one thing ….. !

Hoping it (literally) comes out smooth!!!
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poopydoop
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Posted 2/15/2022 4:25 PM (GMT -7)
It should pass through and come out the stoma. Don't try vomiting as inhaling it is more dangerous...
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Andreita
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Posted 2/15/2022 5:08 PM (GMT -7)
Is the colostomy permanent Mike?
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/15/2022 5:27 PM (GMT -7)
Yes as far as I know it's permanent old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 2/15/2022 11:58:18 PM (GMT-7)

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clo2014
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Posted 2/15/2022 8:59 PM (GMT -7)
Old Mike,

One of my teeth covered by a crown broke off at the gum line. I swallowed the whole thing. It came out in 1 piece.... It didn't cut me or cause any issues.

I was concerned but ok. I did call my Colorectal surgeon so he was prepared...just in case. Since you had surgery recently...don't make yourself vomit...and maybe reach out to your doctors so they can be prepared.

I cursed like a sailor when it happened. I also started chewing everything 50 times per bite...Darn tooth...

Clo

Post Edited (clo2014) : 2/15/2022 9:03:09 PM (GMT-7)

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Old Mike
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Posted 2/16/2022 12:01 AM (GMT -7)
Clo. Thanks good to know I managed to get a picture with my phone it's possible it was a half a crown I'm not sure hopefully it just passes without an event. Old Mike
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Old Hat
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Posted 2/16/2022 11:56 AM (GMT -7)
Sorry that happened, Old Mike-- but not unusual as we age. Even though I take good care of my teeth and get regular hygiene, pieces have broken off in recent years so I've needed a molar hemi-section, a root canal through an existing crown, and a new crown on a 3rd problem tooth. (Big bucks involved, too, 'cause I don't have dental insurance.) It might be that you were grinding your teeth unaware during gut ordeal then that put extra pressure on the spot that just broke. Why not phone your dentist to explain and get an estimate on when to pursue repair of that tooth? I had to do that twice during COVID before vaccines became available, but general dentist, endodontist, and periodontist-surgeon all managed to treat my problems in reasonable time and safely. For sure I've swallowed pieces of tooth & filling during accidental breaks; the dentists have assured me that it's not uncommon for people to do that and survive anyway. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/16/2022 12:57 PM (GMT -7)
Will be at the dentist in less then an hour. I suspect it ,
may have cracked, first two days after surgery. I was having wrenching gut spasms, which
were teeth smashing. Probably 50 times a night. That is what also split the surgical incision,that
is all healed.
Oldmike
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/16/2022 2:40 PM (GMT -7)
Well the good news is it was only a filling. The bad news is the root is cracked along with
another. Both have to be extracted, by a dental surgeon, old mike is having a drink.
oldmike
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clo2014
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Posted 2/16/2022 2:59 PM (GMT -7)
Shoot... I am sorry to hear that.. I wish when we turned 50 we were blessed with another set of teeth growing in... At least then you could drink to numb the pain...lol.

Hopefully you aren't in pain. Please remember that with an ostomy pain meds may not absorb all the way because of shorter transit and you might pass some, most or all of the pill. Also, opioids might really bind you up. If I have to take an opioid for pain I immediately do a 15 to 30 ml chaser of milk of magnesia. Lol.. it keeps things flowing better. And if you have to take an oral antibiotic remember the shorter transit time. (My pills pop out half dissolved. So they make it into a liquid base at the pharmacy)

Hang in there!
Clo
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/16/2022 3:30 PM (GMT -7)
No worry have about 95% of colon. I stayed off of opioids in the hosp, only used tylenol.
oldmike
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Sara14
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Posted 2/16/2022 4:13 PM (GMT -7)
No pain meds?! Wow, you are tough.
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/16/2022 4:28 PM (GMT -7)
Perhaps should have used pain meds. Now have two verticle cracked roots, from smashing
jaw together from gut muscle spasms. My main problem is hosp was no sleep,zero,even with
various sleep meds. oldmike
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Old Hat
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Posted 2/16/2022 6:17 PM (GMT -7)
Question for repair is whether you have 1 cracked root in a 3-root molar (or molars.) If a 3-root molar has only 1 damaged root + 2 healthy ones, it can often be saved by hemi-section. In that case the dental surgeon removes the damaged root + the section of molar above it; then endodontist does root canal on the 2 remaining healthy roots. I thought those procedures would next require a crown on molar remains, but very humane endodontist advised no-- to wait and see how I could chew on remains and do hygiene with periodontist's assistant. So far, still good at nearly 2 1/2 years. (Surgeon had cautioned me beforehand that they can't really tell by x-ray alone if the undamaged tooth roots will support hemi-section; they have to assess that when they cut into gum & if not good for support, then they have to extract everything.) RE pain control: I did fine with septocaine injections for the hemi-section and later root canals; did not need any Tylenol afterward, just cold pack on/off for 6-7 hours following the hemi-section and shorter use following root canals. *** Do plan to take things easy following oral surgery though you're a tough guy. You will need to take an antibiotic, and dentists usually go with Clindamycin. (I got by with Z-pack as my gut hates Clindy & others.) Keep yourself well-hydrated through all of this-- very crucial for us olde folks, even w/o IBD!!!!! / Old Hat
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Sara14
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Posted 2/16/2022 8:50 PM (GMT -7)
No sleep is terrible. I'm sorry about the tooth issue. I hope it comes out ok.
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katkat
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Posted 2/18/2022 8:55 PM (GMT -7)
Hello Old Mike
I don't post often, but glad you are on the mend! Your posts are informative and straight to the point. I think that's great! Get well, all the best 🙂
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/23/2022 12:28 PM (GMT -7)
Well two more body parts gone,and another 600 bucks. Piece of cake, did not feel much at all.
I feel remorse when loosing teeth, I guess since I still remember them coming in.
I water pic and brush good.
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CCinPA
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Posted 2/23/2022 3:34 PM (GMT -7)
oh no! I had 2 teeth pulled a few years ago -- both cracked due to those old metal fillings. Since I have good dental insurance I had all remaining metal fillings replaced with that white stuff they use now. My dentist said those old fillings expand & contract slightly with hot and cold foods and over time it stresses the teeth. The white stuff isn't supposed to do that. When I was a kid we didn't have any options so it was metal (some sort of mercury alloy?).
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Sara14
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Posted 2/23/2022 8:41 PM (GMT -7)
Glad it went well, Old Mike. Sorry about the $600 though.
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/26/2022 10:36 AM (GMT -7)
This is one I have not seen, never heard of it, I wonder if this happened to me.
Oldmike
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/nbk560608/
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quincy
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Posted 2/26/2022 11:12 AM (GMT -7)
I assume the pathology would have given some insight into it? Do you have a copy of the results?
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Old Mike
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Posted 2/26/2022 1:03 PM (GMT -7)
Pathology was severe UC. I just found this report here is what went on for the surgical procedure. If anyone is interested, The doc probably found more problems than she really wanted to deal with.
Me thinks I was pretty sick.
By the way my bladder is just getting over the trauma from the foley catheter.
Oldmike
Pathologic Findings

Necrotic rectum to level of pelvic floor, retroperitoneal
abscess, inflammation of the colon to the distal sigmoid

Detailed Description of Procedure

Patient was identified in the preoperative holding area by
the attending surgeon and was brought back to the
operative suite. Patient was positioned on the operating
table in the supine position again identified by the
operating surgeon and anesthesia was induced
uneventfully. Prior to prepping and draping a patient a
rectal exam was performed under anesthesia which
revealed nodular mucosa as well as a tight stricture at
about 7 cm from the anal verge. Patient was then
prepped and draped in the standard fashion. A midline
incision was made around the umbilicus using a knife and
the subcutaneous tissues were dissected to the fascia
using Bovie cautery. The midline of the fascia was then
grasped and elevated and the abdomen was entered
sharply. On initial inspection of the abdomen no

obvious fecal contamination was noted. The sigmoid
colon was identified and the white line of Toldt was
incised. Beneath the colon after incising the white line of
Toldt a large retroperitoneal abscess was visualized. The
abscess cavity was entered and copious amount of
malodorous stool and pus was expressed from the
retroperitoneum. The sigmoid colon was then

dissected laterally to medially off of the abdominal

wall and the abscess was found to be tracking down
around the rectum. The rectum was visualized and was
found to be frankly necrotic. Using a combination of blunt
dissection and Bovie cautery the mesorectum was
dissected away from the surrounding pelvic wall down to
an area of rectum that on palpation was felt to be intact.
A contour stapler was used to transect the rectum. The
rectal stump was then elevated from the pelvis, there was
copious remaining necrotic tissue and stool which was
debrided and the pelvis was irrigated. The rectum was
noted to be frankly necrotic with many obvious areas of
perforation, the distal sigmoid colon was additionally
noted to be thickened and inflamed without

obvious perforation or stricture. The remaining
retroperitoneum was then explored, the left ureter was
identified, and any remaining pockets of pus or

stool were drained and irrigated. No further bowel or
colon was noted to be abnormal in appearance. After
sufficient drainage and irrigation of his intra-abdominal
abscesses, a left-sided colostomy was formed. A

small circular incision was made on the left side of the
abdomen using Bovie cautery. The subcutaneous fat was
dissected using Bovie cautery, the anterior sheath was
opened using Bovie cautery the muscles of the rectus
sheath were split and the posterior sheath was incised.
The sigmoid colon was then passed to the hole. At this
point 3 JP drains were placed, the left-sided JP drain was
placed in the pelvis. The right lower JP was placed in the
retroperitoneum around the area of the kidney, and the
right upper JP was placed in the paracolic gutter. The
fascia was then closed with a running #1 loop PDS. The
skin was loosely stapled. The colostomy was then
matured by opening the distal staple line and using
chromic suture. An ostomy appliance was applied. The
patient was then awoken from anesthesia

uneventfully and was transferred to the leu for close
monitoring given the findings of severe contamination
during this case.

Specimeris Removed

Rectum and distal sigmoid

Implants/Grafts/Prosthetic Devices/Appliances

None

Estimated Blood Loss
100 cc

IV Fluids
Anesthesia note

Urine Output

See anesthesia note

Packs/Drains/Tubes

3 19 French channel JPs placed

Instrument and Sponge Count Correct?
Yes

Complications of Procedure
None

Condition of Patient at Time of Transfer
Stable

Attending Notes/Comments

(x_) I was personally present throughout the entire procedure.

L) I was present during (or personally performed) the key portions of this procedure, which included _, as well as
other portions. I was immediately available for the entire procedure between opening and closing.

L) I was personally present during the key portions of this procedure which included _. Dr. _ was immediately
available for the remainder of the procedure.

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 2/26/2022 5:56:21 PM (GMT-7)

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