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little_bear
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Posted 7/11/2022 10:16 AM (GMT -8)

Hambo88 said...
how are you now?

After removing a few supplements, the gassiness subsided. I waited another week and just started BROQ. Mine arrived in capsule form, so breaking them into a smaller dosage is challenging, but just started BROQ yesterday. The gas and bloating came back a little last night, but hoping it subsides over the next week as my body adjusts.
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Hambo88
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Posted 7/11/2022 12:09 PM (GMT -8)
What is the quanty of sulforafan in 1 capsule?
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little_bear
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Posted 7/11/2022 3:37 PM (GMT -8)

Hambo88 said...
What is the quanty of sulforafan in 1 capsule?


10mg. It could be something else in my diet that contributed to the gas last night, but so far, it's a bit better today.
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Pinocchio
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Posted 7/11/2022 3:48 PM (GMT -8)
Be careful with sulforafan. I lost some progress, because I upped my dose too fast.
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little_bear
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Posted 7/11/2022 6:01 PM (GMT -8)

Pinocchio said...
Be careful with sulforafan. I lost some progress, because I upped my dose too fast.

I am taking under 5mg/day to start for the first week. Thank you for the warning. If anything get worse, I will reduce it further.
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little_bear
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Posted 7/11/2022 6:19 PM (GMT -8)
VanJordan, have you done any research on Aloe Mucilaginous Polysaccharides (AMP)? It's supposed to help with the absorption of vitamins C and E. I believe it also has strong antioxidant properties. I'm asking because I did feel like it helped put me in remission over 15 years ago for a period of about 10 years. However, after a more recent flare about 4 years ago, I didn't gain the same results. I still take 5 tablets a day in hopes of it helping again at some point, but have yet to reach a point where I feel like I am 100% again and confident enough to taper off my Stelara injections. I'm hoping once I'm able to fully follow your protocol, I will again get to a point where I feel like I have received full remission.
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Posted 7/12/2022 2:06 AM (GMT -8)

little_bear said...

Hambo88 said...
What is the quanty of sulforafan in 1 capsule?


10mg. It could be something else in my diet that contributed to the gas last night, but so far, it's a bit better today.

ehhh mine is 400 mcg. Yours is much strongee.
And quercitin?
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Posted 7/12/2022 5:45 AM (GMT -8)

little_bear said...

Hambo88 said...
What is the quanty of sulforafan in 1 capsule?


10mg. It could be something else in my diet that contributed to the gas last night, but so far, it's a bit better today.

can you give me a link for this sulforafan?

i saw arpund the market and i did not find sulforafan with 10 mg. I found 350 mg, 400 mcg... one is too big dosage other one is to small.
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Theanxiousaries
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Posted 7/12/2022 7:28 AM (GMT -8)
I’m confused as to why ppl are referring to it as sulforaphane when it’s broccoli seed extract? I buy a powdered from so you can adjust the dosage
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Posted 7/12/2022 11:11 AM (GMT -8)

Hambo88 said...

little_bear said...

Hambo88 said...
What is the quanty of sulforafan in 1 capsule?


10mg. It could be something else in my diet that contributed to the gas last night, but so far, it's a bit better today.

can you give me a link for this sulforafan?

i saw arpund the market and i did not find sulforafan with 10 mg. I found 350 mg, 400 mcg... one is too big dosage other one is to small.

https://www.broq.life/

I ordered directly from the manufacturer, as it was slightly less expensive than ordering on Amazon. In your previous post you had also asked about my Quercetin supplement. I'm not taking that yet. Once I have a week or two or Broq in my system and doing well, I will add the Quercetin next!

On another note, the gas and bloating was not an issue last night... progress!
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/12/2022 9:40 PM (GMT -8)

little_bear said...
VanJordan, have you done any research on Aloe Mucilaginous Polysaccharides (AMP)? It's supposed to help with the absorption of vitamins C and E. I believe it also has strong antioxidant properties. I'm asking because I did feel like it helped put me in remission over 15 years ago for a period of about 10 years. However, after a more recent flare about 4 years ago, I didn't gain the same results. I still take 5 tablets a day in hopes of it helping again at some point, but have yet to reach a point where I feel like I am 100% again and confident enough to taper off my Stelara injections. I'm hoping once I'm able to fully follow your protocol, I will again get to a point where I feel like I have received full remission.

I have tried all kinds of aloe formulations, they didn't work. Some made me worse. I had FODMAPS issues when my UC was at its worst, so I avoided things that contributed to it.
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/12/2022 9:42 PM (GMT -8)

Theanxiousaries said...
I’m confused as to why ppl are referring to it as sulforaphane when it’s broccoli seed extract? I buy a powdered from so you can adjust the dosage

They are not the same thing. Broccoli seed extract is a whole extract from broccoli seeds, which contains some sulforaphane but also other organic substances. Sulforaphane supplements are pure sulforaphane. Furthermore, the seeds are a poor source of sulforaphane. Broccoli sprouts have 400x more sulforaphane than the seeds, and most manufacturers of sulforaphane use the sprouts.
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/12/2022 9:50 PM (GMT -8)

little_bear said...
10mg. It could be something else in my diet that contributed to the gas last night, but so far, it's a bit better today.

Sulforaphane is powerful, you have to be careful. If the gas doesn't eventually go away at any dosage level, then you might have sulfur intolerance, which is usually a result of dysbiosis. There is also a small number of people out there who can't tolerate sulforaphane whatsoever and it's not gut flora related. These individuals usually have poor genetics in their transsulfuration pathways.

It's also a strong detoxing agent. It is primarily absorbed into the liver where it is used to remove toxins down to the intracellular level, which can prompt liver cells to produce more glutathione in those who have the strong capability. It has activity on heavy metals, for example. This is another reason to be very gradual with sulforaphane.

On the gut level, it causes shifts in the gut flora toward butyrate-producing species. The shift in gut flora composition will naturally produce gas as some species die back. If you start at too high a dose, this shift can be too radical, releasing too much LPS from die off, triggering flare conditions. Sulforaphane is itself an anti-inflammatory so when used gradually it will help UC. The exception is if you have really bad sulfur intolerance. You'll know because you can't eat any cruciferous vegtables without problems, flare or no flare. If you can't consume sulfur foods during a flare but you can when you're not flaring, then your problem is likely dysbiosis and sulforaphane can remedy some of that over time.
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Posted 7/13/2022 11:51 PM (GMT -8)
Van Jordan: till now i took aproxx 400 mcg - 1mg sulfarazane without any problem. Yesterday i lifted up 2- 3 mg. The gas has has came.
I dont if this is dysbiosis.
But if this is because of dysbiosis then what can i do solve the dysbiosis problem?
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/15/2022 2:26 AM (GMT -8)

Hambo88 said...
Van Jordan: till now i took aproxx 400 mcg - 1mg sulfarazane without any problem. Yesterday i lifted up 2- 3 mg. The gas has has came.
I dont if this is dysbiosis.
But if this is because of dysbiosis then what can i do solve the dysbiosis problem?

Wow, how were you able to measure 0.4ug-1mg of sulforaphane (I'm guessing that's what you meant)?

Is gas your only symptom, or are you having other symptoms? Are you on a very restricted diet right now?

You may have to take other kinds of antioxidants until your UC gets better, and then trying re-introducing sulforaphane. There are many other antioxidants out there. I just use sulforaphane because it's one of the more biochemically powerful ones. However, if you can't tolerate it then you should remove it, at least for now.

Sometimes tolerances improve as UC heals. It was that way for me. On the other hand, I know someone who has mild UC and can't tolerate sulforaphane at any dose.
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Mark4623
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Posted 7/15/2022 4:47 AM (GMT -8)
Hi Van Jordan,

What are your thoughts on. R-Lipoic Acid supplements? What. I read is that it is also a pretty strong antioxidant. Appreciate any feedback you can provide.

Thanks
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Mark4623
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Posted 7/15/2022 5:09 AM (GMT -8)
One more question,

Where do. you get your Sulforaphane, and what brand? THX
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/15/2022 6:12 AM (GMT -8)
R-ALA is not appropriate for UC patients because it is the oxidized form of lipoic acid. Because UC patients have physiology that makes it hard for them to reduce anti-oxidants back to their reduced form, taking oxidized versions of anti-oxidants will put additional stress on the reduction pathways in the body. This pulls reduction power away from the hydrogen peroxide pathways, leading to more hydrogen peroxide and a worsening of UC.

I can confirm this as I tried R-ALA four separate times when I was working with the idea that my UC was caused by heavy metals like mercury. Each time I used R-ALA at any dose, my UC got worse. I thought this might be due to heavy metal chelation but the problem never got better. Now I don't touch R-ALA whatosever.

Another recent example that proves the reductive theory of disease for me is that a friend bought me a bottle of NAD+ to try. She said it would help my sleep, which hasn't been great recently. For the first 3 days I slept great, but on day 4 I started having gut symptoms for the first time in months. NAD+ is the oxidized form of NADH. If a normal person takes NAD+, their body will reduce it to NADH without any problems. In a UC patient, the NAD+ being reduced to NADH pulls H+ away from the reduction pathways that reduce hydrogen peroxide into water:

H2O2 + 2H ---> 2H2O

Every time I get gut symptoms, I can now trace it back to something in my life that is harming my reduction capacity. I have stopped taking most multivitamins for this reason. They are largely oxidized versions of vitamins and therefore not appropriate for UCers.

Dr. Pravda used R-DHLA (dihydrolipoic acid) in his enema study. It is the reduced form of lipoic acid and is probably a much better candidate as it would provide reducing factors that transform hydrogen peroxide into water. However, I have not been able to find R-DHLA anywhere on the supplement market in the entire world. I posted a link to the pharmacy that makes Pravda's enema. If they are including DHLA in the formula then maybe they would know the answer.
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Mark4623
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Posted 7/15/2022 6:28 AM (GMT -8)
I checked with peoples custom pharmacy and they said that they don't have DHLA, nor compound it. I cant find it anywhere. If that is going to be a part of the therapy in Dr Pravdas final paper I don't know what we all are going to do if we cant source it anywhere. Any Thoughts?
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/15/2022 2:33 PM (GMT -8)
I have no idea. If they are producing his enema without DHLA then maybe it's not a necessary ingredient. The fact that DHLA is not anywhere on the market might suggest that it's not that important. The antioxidants I'm taking are working so I'm happy.
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Mark4623
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Posted 7/16/2022 7:03 AM (GMT -8)
Van Jordan,

What brand Glutathione do you take, and how much each day.

Thanks
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/16/2022 3:38 PM (GMT -8)

Mark4623 said...
Van Jordan,

What brand Glutathione do you take, and how much each day.

Thanks

I don't take glutathione. I used to get glutathione suppositories custom compounded but they were expensive, and the results were minimal. Direct glutathione doesn't work for UC, in my opinion.
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Hambo88
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Posted 7/16/2022 8:28 PM (GMT -8)

VanJordan said...

Hambo88 said...
Van Jordan: till now i took aproxx 400 mcg - 1mg sulfarazane without any problem. Yesterday i lifted up 2- 3 mg. The gas has has came.
I dont if this is dysbiosis.
But if this is because of dysbiosis then what can i do solve the dysbiosis problem?

Wow, how were you able to measure 0.4ug-1mg of sulforaphane (I'm guessing that's what you meant)?

Is gas your only symptom, or are you having other symptoms? Are you on a very restricted diet right now?

You may have to take other kinds of antioxidants until your UC gets better, and then trying re-introducing sulforaphane. There are many other antioxidants out there. I just use sulforaphane because it's one of the more biochemically powerful ones. However, if you can't tolerate it then you should remove it, at least for now.

Sometimes tolerances improve as UC heals. It was that way for me. On the other hand, I know someone who has mild UC and can't tolerate sulforaphane at any dose.


i have only gas.
what kind if other antioxidant is there wich can be good for UC?
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VanJordan
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Posted 7/17/2022 2:14 PM (GMT -8)
If gas is your only symptom, then it doesn't sound like sulforaphane is a big problem, IMO.
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Theanxiousaries
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Posted 7/17/2022 10:35 PM (GMT -8)

VanJordan said...
If gas is your only symptom, then it doesn't sound like sulforaphane is a big problem, IMO.


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