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VanJordan
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Posts : 566
Posted 8/12/2022 1:50 PM (GMT -8)

CCinPA said...
It's not very scientific to want to limit discussion of current treatments to only what you want to talk about. I hope that Pravda wasn't that close minded when he discovered his theory.

This is a personal attack and I don't appreciate it. My kind request for people to stay on topic has nothing to do with if one is scientific or not. Coming here to persuade people who are looking into alternative methods to go back to methods that aren't working is inappropriate and frankly tone deaf. You're here to bait me into a fight like you did in other threads with personal insults.

It's not closed minded to request that people stay on topic, when there are thousands of other threads on HW talking about conventional treatments. I'm not allowed to tell my personal story about how conventional medicine failed but an alternative method worked without the usual suspects showing up to accuse me of being closed minded. I'm allowed to talk about the failures of conventional medicine, as I see them. I also said in many places in this thread that people should do the treatments that work best for them. Since this thread is about an alternative approach, obviously we are going to focus on that to the preclusion of modern meds.

The vanguard on this forum really needs to back off and let people talk freely. Modern medicine isn't curing UC, so conversations like this thread are super important to give people real hope. If we were sitting at a table talking about Dr. Pravda's technique and you showed up to completely change the topic back to conventional medicine, we would all find you rude. It's no different on this forum. Please let people talk without feeling the need to defend your chosen treatment. There are thousands of other threads that support your chosen treatment.

Modern medicine and its doctors failed me. I won't erase my story because you personally feel threatened, sorry.

Now... if you want to talk about the merits/demerits of Pravda's theory, that would be where the real scientific discussion is. Others have posted doubts on that basis and I really enjoy engaging with them. If you're here to say this thread is closed minded or judge its participants, then I won't engage with you. Have a nice day!
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VanJordan
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Posted 8/12/2022 1:57 PM (GMT -8)
I will no longer be engaging with the usual suspects unless they are directly talking about Dr. Pravda's theory. Personal attacks on me will have entire posts ignored. Don't mix scientific inquiry with personal attacks. Stick to rational discussion about the reductive theory of disease and I will be happy to talk to you.

I suggest that those who came here with a genuine interest in the reductive theory of disease simply stop responding to these people. They are here to be disrespectful, hurtful and attacking. They will also bait you into conversations about why you're not using conventional medicine, because it is their preferred method. I've seen it countless times on HW. The evidence is above. This forum has a poor track record of open-minded discussions on alternative methods. The usual suspects show up, instigate fights, and then mods close the threads. The only way to stop this is to stop feeding these people since the mods won't protect us.

It would be really great if we could go back to talking about Pravda's theories and the antioxidant protocols we are all trying to figure out how to neutralize hydrogen peroxide. We were making some great progress here. The thread doesn't have to stay derailed. I was able to get into remission with the supplements I already talked about, but there are surely many others. I am curious to know what people are looking up and finding out.
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Luluu
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Posted 8/12/2022 3:10 PM (GMT -8)
Hello

I'm usually just a lurker but wanted to share that I've been following this and started with the below supplements in June, as have been recommended in this thread, and my condition has improved dramatically. Have slowly upped the dosages and can't believe how much better I'm feeling after a two year flare. Have put on weight (in a good way) and bms are pretty much normal.

camu camu
grape seed extract 400mg
Vitamin e 125mg
Bio- sulforaphane advanced 7mg
Butyrate
Cucumin phutosome meriva
quertin 500g
Rutin 500mg

Was taking Vit d k2 anyway

Thank you van Jordan and others who have shared your incredibly valuable info and discussions, amazing to be able to learn about this, very exciting stuff.
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Mark4623
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Joined : Jun 2022
Posts : 56
Posted 8/12/2022 3:27 PM (GMT -8)
Hi Luluu,

What kind of camu camu do you use, powder or capsules? And how much per day?

Thanks
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Luluu
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Posted 8/12/2022 3:34 PM (GMT -8)
Hi Mark,

Its capsules, 4 capsules is 400mg of natural vit c. I take two with breakfast, two with lunch, and another two with dinner at the moment. I upped it last week from four.
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Mark4623
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Posted 8/12/2022 3:37 PM (GMT -8)
Thank You. Im going to look for some on Amzn
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CCinPA
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Posted 8/12/2022 4:05 PM (GMT -8)

VanJordan said...

CCinPA said...
It's not very scientific to want to limit discussion of current treatments to only what you want to talk about. I hope that Pravda wasn't that close minded when he discovered his theory.

This is a personal attack and I don't appreciate it. My kind request for people to stay on topic has nothing to do with if one is scientific or not. Coming here to persuade people who are looking into alternative methods to go back to methods that aren't working is inappropriate and frankly tone deaf. You're here to bait me into a fight like you did in other threads with personal insults.

It's not closed minded to request that people stay on topic, when there are thousands of other threads on HW talking about conventional treatments. I'm not allowed to tell my personal story about how conventional medicine failed but an alternative method worked without the usual suspects showing up to accuse me of being closed minded. I'm allowed to talk about the failures of conventional medicine, as I see them. I also said in many places in this thread that people should do the treatments that work best for them. Since this thread is about an alternative approach, obviously we are going to focus on that to the preclusion of modern meds.

The vanguard on this forum really needs to back off and let people talk freely. Modern medicine isn't curing UC, so conversations like this thread are super important to give people real hope. If we were sitting at a table talking about Dr. Pravda's technique and you showed up to completely change the topic back to conventional medicine, we would all find you rude. It's no different on this forum. Please let people talk without feeling the need to defend your chosen treatment. There are thousands of other threads that support your chosen treatment.

Modern medicine and its doctors failed me. I won't erase my story because you personally feel threatened, sorry.

Now... if you want to talk about the merits/demerits of Pravda's theory, that would be where the real scientific discussion is. Others have posted doubts on that basis and I really enjoy engaging with them. If you're here to say this thread is closed minded or judge its participants, then I won't engage with you. Have a nice day!


Please quote the post where I was trying to persuade someone to go back to treatments that failed them. I commented on meds when others brought them up. You keep saying those who have doubts are being close minded -- please reread our posts. I think all of us keep saying that if alternatives work for you then to stay with them and we wish you the best. My only issue is that you keep saying this is the definitive answer for UC and that once the paper comes out it will prove that. Please look up what a peer reviewed paper really means ... it is not 100% absolute proof of anything.

People have brought up valid questions and have tried being nice to you for the most part, but instead of engaging in civil conversation and discussing what they bring up you attack and tell us to stay out of your thread and not comment. The defensiveness you are displaying is not productive and is what is creating discord. I will continue to comment when I have something to say whether you like it or not.

For those who are following the Van Jordan/Pravda protocol ... I hope that it works for you and you are well for many years to come. If it doesn't work, don't think of it as a failure if you need to use meds to be well.
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Posted 8/16/2022 8:42 PM (GMT -8)
Please discontinue any hostile remarks or belittling. I’m locking this thread and won’t hesitate to ban members for breaking the rules.
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