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LJones89
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Posted 7/29/2022 9:58 AM (GMT -8)
I feel like every food is a trigger lol I had eggs and toast for breakfast at the hospital this morning. I’ve had to go 5 times in the two hours gather breakfast. Last night they served me a pulled pork sandwich potatoes and a salad. Just went a couple of times. All D not solid although this morning it seemed like it wanted to be solid if that made sense.

These were first two meals after the colonoscopy prep. Do you think these foods triggered me or my body is just adjusting to first foods after not eating for 36 hours and being cleaned out….

Furthermore, in the future, with Crohn’s If you are non-symptomatic or in remission, can you add back “bad” foods like ribeye, beer, Buffalo wings, etc or will bad foods actually cause you to trigger and get sick? I’m just so confused if I have to give up some of my favorite things forever or if there will be ebbs and flows.
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Posted 7/29/2022 12:03 PM (GMT -8)
I have UC but for sure, some foods are major triggers while flaring but are fine when I am not. It is a long process to figure out what works and what doesn’t diet wise. If you haven’t yet done it, start a journal of food and gut symptoms. It can help you see patterns.
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Posted 7/29/2022 12:48 PM (GMT -8)
Trigger for discomfort and for the fact that the digestive tract is processing in a more abnormal way while going through a flaring or inflamed gut. Not a trigger for causing a flare.
Yes...food diary can be helpful, but don't get hung up in thinking it will make your flare worse. As well...eating a food at hour one may not cause discomfort till hour 6 and later. Choose foods that can help so you have less discomfort and possibly less times having bms. What goes in causes the the digestive process into action...what's in the lower gut (be it stool, just mucus or blood) to be expelled. Depending on where inflammation is located, the least time anything stays in that area, the better according to your gut.
Trial and more trial...hope your meds are helpful soon so you can get relief.

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Posted 7/29/2022 4:07 PM (GMT -8)
Did the specialist diagnose you with Crohn's? RE multiple BMs after C-scope: your mucosa was super-inflamed, then you had to purge, then a scope passed over your irritated mucosa creating some friction, plus the endoscopist pumped some air through scope for a clearer lens view-- it's a gruelling process when flaring, especially. You will likely do better avoiding heavy spices, fats, carbonated drinks, caffeine, and raw produce at least 'til your inflammation calms down. BRAT is a good base = banana, rice, applesauce, toast and add lean baked or roasted poultry, fish, potato, egg, lowsalt cottage cheese, farina, regular Cheerios, moist oatmeal, go easy on sugars, and see how you do. You need adequate protein, calcium, iron, and vitamin D to boost healing, among other nutritional elements so think of junk foods as museum pieces for the time being. Add in steamed or baked veggies (w/o seeds) while you're still flaring. Try lactose-free lowfat or nonfat milk if dairy makes you feel gassy. You can try making a mild pizza at home using low-spice tomato sauce, mild cheese, on white or whole wheat pita. Be cautious for a few weeks post-scope and slowly expand your diet, but avoid excesses and you should do fine. You seem to be a rational thinker who makes reasonable choices. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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Posted 7/29/2022 4:25 PM (GMT -8)
In remission i can eat pretty much anything i want. When flaring badly, any kind of eating would cause discomfort. In between, i can tolerate some foods better than others. Old Hat's suggestions are good. My go-to foods are chicken, rice, banana, sweet potato, pumpkin, cooked carrots (i dont know what it is about orange vegetables). Apples and spinach would set me off (green poo...). I would avoid fried/processed food and foods with insoluble fibre. Ripe bananas were fine but green bananas would give me cramping. But it's so individual, you just have to try different things and see what helps/feels bad.
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LJones89
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Posted 7/29/2022 9:47 PM (GMT -8)

Old Hat said...
Did the specialist diagnose you with Crohn's? RE multiple BMs after C-scope: your mucosa was super-inflamed, then you had to purge, then a scope passed over your irritated mucosa creating some friction, plus the endoscopist pumped some air through scope for a clearer lens view-- it's a gruelling process when flaring, especially. You will likely do better avoiding heavy spices, fats, carbonated drinks, caffeine, and raw produce at least 'til your inflammation calms down. BRAT is a good base = banana, rice, applesauce, toast and add lean baked or roasted poultry, fish, potato, egg, lowsalt cottage cheese, farina, regular Cheerios, moist oatmeal, go easy on sugars, and see how you do. You need adequate protein, calcium, iron, and vitamin D to boost healing, among other nutritional elements so think of junk foods as museum pieces for the time being. Add in steamed or baked veggies (w/o seeds) while you're still flaring. Try lactose-free lowfat or nonfat milk if dairy makes you feel gassy. You can try making a mild pizza at home using low-spice tomato sauce, mild cheese, on white or whole wheat pita. Be cautious for a few weeks post-scope and slowly expand your diet, but avoid excesses and you should do fine. You seem to be a rational thinker who makes reasonable choices. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)


Thank you for the tips OldHat. He diagnosed me off what he saw during the scope. Didn’t say anything else other than I had a stricture. He took a biopsy which should be back next week. Right now i am remaining in Mesalamine and longer course of prednisone until I start biologics.

My problem right now is the pain. Some in my lower abdomen and my lower back is absolutely killing me. They discharged me with oral hydromorphone suppose you split a 4mg pill every six hours. Not helping at all! I’m afraid the pain is gonna send me right back to the ER.

How long after a scope until bowel movements come back? I’ve ate three times but only passing a little mucus. Should I be concerned?
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LJones89
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Posted 7/29/2022 9:48 PM (GMT -8)

poopydoop said...
In remission i can eat pretty much anything i want. When flaring badly, any kind of eating would cause discomfort. In between, i can tolerate some foods better than others. Old Hat's suggestions are good. My go-to foods are chicken, rice, banana, sweet potato, pumpkin, cooked carrots (i dont know what it is about orange vegetables). Apples and spinach would set me off (green poo...). I would avoid fried/processed food and foods with insoluble fibre. Ripe bananas were fine but green bananas would give me cramping. But it's so individual, you just have to try different things and see what helps/feels bad.

I absolutely am watching my diet. This has been so hard!
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Posted 7/29/2022 10:33 PM (GMT -8)
Where are you located?

I would suggest a very bland diet for the time being, as others have suggested. Applesauce, white rice, banana, chicken (not fried, no skin), fish, ground turkey, avocado or maybe nut butters if you can tolerate, yogurt, potato without skin, etc.

So you're already out of the hospital? Why are they keeping you on mesalamine? That med is only helpful for mild UC. Not for Crohn's at all, and certainly worthless for Crohn's with a stricture.

What dose of prednisone are you on?

As for bowel movements after a scope, it varies from person to person and depending on what you eat afterwards and how your IBD is behaving. I've gone several days after a scope until my first BM. But if you've been having diarrhea before the scope, it might pick back up right after.
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Posted 7/29/2022 11:40 PM (GMT -8)
The hospital should have given you more info if the scope found a stricture. That means it's hard for waste to pass through that affected area in the gut. Probably you should eat soft foods like scrambled eggs, mashed or pureed items and non-spicy soups, broth, or smoothies. (Even the 9-month stage baby foods in a pinch!) It may sound discouraging, but definitely is worth a try to keep things moving inside as gently as possible. Also, you can get valuable nutrients like iron from smooth pea and bean soups, also beets. Instead of 3 main meals you might feel better having smaller amounts to eat more often during the day/evening. Did the hospital give you any IV steroids prior to your discharge? / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal) *** P.S. It seems really dumb if the hospital fed you pulled pork post-scope that found you with a stricture! But those institutions sometimes bomb when providing patient meals, even post-surgery.

Post Edited (Old Hat) : 7/30/2022 12:54:08 AM (GMT-7)

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LJones89
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Posted 7/30/2022 11:51 AM (GMT -8)
Just wanted to thank everyone again. It’s been a major struggle. The hydromorphone isn’t working and the ER was too busy after sitting there for three hours in agonizing pain. I came home and got in warm epsom salt water and will just hope for the best.

My lower back pain is a 10. Not sure if it’s related but it’s causing my most problems.
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Posted 7/30/2022 12:04 PM (GMT -8)
It could be related, yes. Has the hospital done a full blood panel as well?

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Posted 7/30/2022 1:05 PM (GMT -8)
I think you said you’re on pain pills? Just wanted to add they give me horrible constipation. Which could be why your bowels aren’t moving. I had bad lower back pain when I was at my sickest but it wasn’t a 10 and as I recall it was worse when not sitting. Hope you find some relief soon.
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LJones89
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Posted 7/30/2022 2:20 PM (GMT -8)

quincy said...
It could be related, yes. Has the hospital done a full blood panel as well?

q

Yes they took my blood. What numbers should I review specifically?
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Sara14
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Posted 7/30/2022 8:34 PM (GMT -8)
I have UC but I eat whatever I want. I don't know about strictures with Crohns though. You may have to adjust diet more for those. I'm sorry you're in bad pain and they didn't give you a suitable dose of pain killers, it sounds like.
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LJones89
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Posted 7/30/2022 10:02 PM (GMT -8)
You guys are like my new best friends. This forum is full of great people
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Old Hat
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Posted 7/31/2022 12:10 AM (GMT -8)
I looked again at your earlier thread where you said the specialist couldn't scope higher than ca. 15 cm. due to severity of your inflammation. That would seem to explain the persistence of your "Level 10" lower back pain. Also, FlowersGal's comment about potential for stronger pain-relieving meds to cause constipation probably explains why the hospital discharged you with a less effective Rx for hydrocodone. I agree with Beave that mesalamine med now is useless for you because it treats mild to moderate UC mainly. You could start a new thread for "Crohn's colitis stricture" in case anyone else reading/posting on this forum knows more about dealing with that specifically. Straydog might also have more info on that. Keith (KS1905) also knows a lot about IV meds that treat severe IBD inflammation, having experienced them himself. The other detail that might attract added attention here for you is your location in Missouri-- in case anyone here would know about IBD physicians/treatment centers you might be able to access. (Most of us posting on this forum live near East or West Coast USA, or in Canada, or UK so we can speak to what we have available in those areas.) You could try looking at the Website of the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation USA for additional info on Crohn's-- since Straydog says that the HW Crohn's Forum is not very active now. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)

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I too worry that you're being undertreated and not taken seriously enough.

I would think you'd be in the hospital on IV, liquid diet or very bland personalized diet, IV steroids, and waiting for emergency authorization of Remicade, with loading doses done before you're discharged.

Are there any GIs in your area who are IBD experts and not just general GIs? Is the GI you saw well experienced in treating Crohn's?
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poopydoop
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Posted 7/31/2022 3:34 AM (GMT -8)
I was going to say something similar...when I've seen people needing hospital treatment for a bad flare they're usually given IV steroids and remicade (a biologic via infusion). Did the doctor say how long you would have to wait to start treatment with a biologic?
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LJones89
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Posted 7/31/2022 6:16 AM (GMT -8)
So while in the hospital I had two days of Iv steroids. Left with a prescription for 35 days of steroids.

The GI is the only one within a 100 mile radius. He took my blood to check for TB and all other things they do to get you started on a biologic he indicated 2-3 weeks from my diagnoses before it starts. I see him on August 10th and I guess will have more information then on when to start. He wants me to try Humira first. I do not think he is a expert in IBD but it is within his wheelhouse. I will be calling his office this week to see what all else needs done so I can start on the biologic asap
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Posted 7/31/2022 3:11 PM (GMT -8)
Gotya! Advise you to re-read what Straydog posted on 7/28 in your earlier thread-- because she has a long experience with Crohn's herself. Based on her comments there, it seems like a good idea to ask your specialist why he doesn't prescribe Remicade 1st. Is it due to lack of infusion facilities in your area? Or an insurance authorization issue? / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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LJones89
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Posted 7/31/2022 3:19 PM (GMT -8)

Old Hat said...
Gotya! Advise you to re-read what Straydog posted on 7/28 in your earlier thread-- because she has a long experience with Crohn's herself. Based on her comments there, it seems like a good idea to ask your specialist why he doesn't prescribe Remicade 1st. Is it due to lack of infusion facilities in your area? Or an insurance authorization issue? / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)

He wants to wait for biopsy to come back. Did take my blood for the preliminary testing and this week hopefully have things sent off to insurance
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Posted 8/1/2022 1:30 AM (GMT -8)
You could check out Website of Washington University (St. Louis) then go to Graduate Schools, School of Medicine, Specialties, Gastroenterology (Digestive Disorders), IBD. Seems they have 9 gastroenterologists of various ages, male & female, specializing in IBD. They list phone no. for inquiries, and also a downloadable FAQ Sheet for new IBD patients. In case you could benefit from a 2nd opinion on your case, look at these 9 gastros' profiles to see whether they do video-visits. It appears that they do have procedures in place to accept e-records from referred patients so they may do video-consults in addition to regular in-person office visits. They also list a link to the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation among their additional online resources list. *** Like Beave I'm concerned about your immediate area lacking experienced IBD subspecialists to prioritize your treatment needs, which is a common problem in rural locations worldwide, but some patients can benefit from video-consults with the larger urban medical centers' physicians who offer them. *** In the meantime, keep yourself well-hydrated with frequent drinks of plain water besides a gut-soothing diet, and get as much rest as you can. Hopefully that + the Prednisone will help to alleviate your pain. It did enable me to heal from a scary UC stricture I got during a flare years back. I had to take disability leave from work, though, for 3 months, and then returned to my job part-time for another couple weeks. An IBD subspecialist gastro helped me through that and has been my principal doctor ever since. / Old Hat (40+ years with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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Posted 8/1/2022 8:19 AM (GMT -8)
My gi is in a small town & he is a rock star & no he is not an IBD specialist. Prior to seeing him I saw 4 other gi's & 2 of them were IBD specialists & they did nothing for me, nothing. I had an emergency small bowel resection, along with a complete blockage & abscess. This was done out of the country while on vacation. I had 4 different gi's tell me I no longer had crohns because I had a small bowel resection. Not a one of them would consider a scope. It was a nurse that gave me his contact information. I live in a very large city with a well known teaching hospital 30 minutes from my house. I wouldn't wipe my behind on their diplomas & certificates, lol.

I floundered around nearly 2 years, in & out of the hospital more times than I can count. By the time I got to him I was a wreck, not just physically, but mentally. I thought well they are drs they know what they are talking about, I am just crazy. This was my first experience with advocating for my own healthcare.

First thing he did was a scope & put me on steroids. Once the biopsy report came back, I was put on Remicade. From what you have written here the gi waiting for the biopsy report is normal, don't worry that you were not given the proper care from this gi. He's already got a diagnosis in mind, he wants the biopsy for confirmation, nothing wrong with that.

For now stick with the low residue diet, Old Hat gave you some good tips on foods to eat.

Since the dr mentioned a stricture be sure to discuss this, where is it located & the size of it. Some people can have them & not have issues, it depends on how bad it is. This is another reason to stick with the low residue diet to keep from aggravating things.

Keep us posted, careful with the pain meds because they can stop up the plumbing.
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