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Carioke65
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Joined : Jul 2015
Posts : 90
Posted 8/13/2022 11:24 PM (GMT -8)
Hi! I have had UC for about 35 years. I have tried Remicade, Humira, Entyvio, Stelara.. which according to the top neuro ophthalmologists..caused me to lose my sight in my left eye. There are a few more..
pills which are biologics.. but can cause blood clots.. which I once had in my legs.so there is nothing left.. except for me to have a colectomy. I am worried about having a bag .
Please if you have had a colectomy.. let me know the pros and cons.
Thanks in advance.
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Theanxiousaries
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Posts : 431
Posted 8/14/2022 1:36 AM (GMT -8)
Sometimes I wonder if this is inevitable for us all. It’s really like running the gauntlet hoping for a cure
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poopydoop
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Posted 8/14/2022 3:00 AM (GMT -8)
Hi the pills which you are talking about (xeljanz) are not biologics but it's true they are associated with blood clots, at least in arthritis patients over 50... there are some other (non biologic) drugs including zeposia but I don't know much about the safety profile.
Hopefully someone who had a colectomy will be able to help you.
Anxiousaries - I think the stats are around 20-25% of UC patients have surgery, but I haven't checked the literature on that for a few years so it might have changed. Certainly not inevitable for everyone.
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damo123
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Posted 8/14/2022 3:53 AM (GMT -8)
Surgery is not an inevitable outcome for UC. Like poppydoop says the stats on this have tumbled since the introduction of biologics in 2005. In 2007 the stat was around 30-40% and nowadays is prob much lower than even 20%. There was chat on this in a post awhile back. Also it depends on what form of UC you have....surgery rates for pancolitis will always be much higher relative to left sided or rectum only disease.

There are also surgical options meaning you do not necessarily need a bag. For most ppl surgery is a good outcome and GIs will not consider it as a failure; nor should they. Yes, some ppl will struggle with surgery. There are no guarantees. You just need to make the best decisions for you to be able to live your best life.
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3timechamp
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Posted 8/14/2022 4:17 PM (GMT -8)
65 like you I was worried about a bag when I had surgery in 2018. I had bag for 7 months. I'm a big strong guy(6'5-230lbs) and I am a contractor who does a lot of physical work. Bag ended up being not such a big deal. I had many days when I forgot I had it on and needed to empty it. I could hide it under a baggy shirt. Changing bag became a normal thing when needed. I had UC for 32 years and it was time for surgery. I made that choice while discussing with my Drs/surgeon. I chose not to to on biological bc of potential side effects and not wanting to be a slave to meds forever
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ks1905
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Posted 8/14/2022 7:01 PM (GMT -8)
I woke up from my colectomy and felt so much better, it’s hard to explain - it’s like my body wasn’t poisoning me from the inside. My GI said that you wake up and you feel like the monster is gone from your body - he was correct.

It depends on how many steps you’re going to have as to what type of osteomy that is created. If you do a 3-step then you have an easier ostomy to work with at the beginning (end ostomy). If you go with a 2-step surgery then you end up with a loop-ostomy which can be more challenging to manage but it manageable.

I am thankful for my colectomy, it has greatly improved my quality of life.
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VanJordan
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Posted 8/14/2022 8:49 PM (GMT -8)
You can ultimately do what you feel you need to do, but if you haven't consulted complimentary medicine, then you haven't tried everything. I know someone who has had UC for 21 years and she recently entered lasting remission for the first time ever. Her bowel has permanent scarring that still affects her function, but she is happy as can be. I personally had uncontrollable UC for 7 years and this year I found something that basically put me into instant remission, and it was outside of the scope of conventional medicine (although an MD discovered it). Even before this year, I had tried things that really downgraded my symptoms a lot.

The choice to give up and get a colectomy is very personal. I have empathy for those who decide to do it and don't blame them whatsoever. The road can be long and arduous. Sometimes we can't deal with it and just want the nightmare organ removed. You are to be commended for dealing with UC as long as you have. You deserve a gold medal just for that!

I am just here to say that there is a lot of very interesting and cutting-edge knowledge out there now, so if you decide to hold on a while longer and go another round, you might be surprised. Best wishes to you.
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beave
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Posted 8/14/2022 9:32 PM (GMT -8)
"complimentary medicine"

"Hey, you look great today! I love your new haircut! Those clothes look fabulous on you!"

"Thanks! My UC just suddenly went into remission. Keep the compliments coming!"

smile
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clo2014
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Posted 8/14/2022 11:22 PM (GMT -8)
Beave--you made me laugh out loud.

Hi. I have both UC and Severe Fistulizing Crohn's. I had very fast healing with Remicade which led to scar tissue, obstructions and a colostomy. My Colorectal surgeon left my anus and the Hartman's pouch (part of my sigmoid) in case we wanted to try to hook me back up. Once I had surgery I felt so much better. From my colostomy up I feel pretty good. I still have issues with narrowing because of the scar tissue.... But I feel much better from my colostomy on up. I am not going to be reattached and will have my anus removed probably next year.

I still have issues with the anus/rectum and remaining sigmoid area. I think that portion of my colon causes me to have many of the symptoms of Crohn's...(nausea, night sweats, fatigue, psoriasis... Etc. ) plus that's the portion of my colon that is fistulizing.

Wearing a colostomy bag is what you make it. I don't have any problems with it. I never forget it's there....because I am just so grateful for it. My colostomy saved my life and gave it back to me at the same time. My Colorectal surgeon once told me that the individuals that were the sickest with the poorest quality of life usually adjust and appreciate their ostomy much faster than someone that was not as sick. I can understand that. My quality of life was awful. I could not control anything and I could barely leave the house. (I carted a port a potty around in my back seat it was so bad) There is a learning curve that can be frustrating. There are challenges with it at times.... But my life is absolutely better since I was given an ostomy.

On the complementary medicine--nothing I tried put me in complete remission. I wish I had had the surgery sooner and utilized "complementary medicine" to complement my colostomy surgery, Remicade and Methotrexate. The SCD diet and supplements I utilize help keep my symptoms under control along with my prescribed meds.

If you have any questions I will gladly answer them.

Clo

Post Edited (clo2014) : 8/15/2022 9:11:10 AM (GMT-7)

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clo2014
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Posted 8/15/2022 7:18 AM (GMT -8)
Folks - the word was supposed to be complementary.... As in added to my traditional medicine. Which is the correct usage if it is spelled correctly.

Kyle-

My phone changed my spelling. Darn phone. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Perhaps that is what is happening to others.

There are studies that indicate that the "complementary medicine" I indicated do work for some people.... I utilize that terminology loosely for a reference basis in this thread only. I am not saying it is right or wrong but that it does seem to work with all my traditional medicine.

And folks....I'm sure that Kyle was trying to be helpful and not trying to be snarky.

Thanks again Kyle.

Clo

Post Edited (clo2014) : 8/15/2022 8:22:55 AM (GMT-7)

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kyle_dn
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Posted 8/15/2022 7:54 AM (GMT -8)
absolutely...just poking a bit of fan clo....well done for your post.....however it is a known fact that if you try Dr Pravda's anti-oixdant theory....it will also help your spelling!!!! ;-)
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clo2014
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Posted 8/15/2022 8:15 AM (GMT -8)
I swear it's these phones. My phone keeps changing my words and the next thing I know it's not what I meant at all. Darn phones. The other day during a work chat it was the word anex... It was changed to anus. Glad I caught that one! Lol...

Be safe all!

Clo
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Serenity Now
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Posted 8/15/2022 9:16 AM (GMT -8)
HAhahahah! Thanks for the laugh of the day (anex/anus).
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clo2014
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Posted 8/15/2022 11:51 AM (GMT -8)
Yes well the sentence was

"Don't mess around with my anex part. It took forever for me to get it to work right. " Could you imagine??? Lol...
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quincy
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Posted 8/15/2022 12:33 PM (GMT -8)
A good one! You can turn off autoreplace.

q
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VanJordan
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Posted 8/15/2022 2:22 PM (GMT -8)

beave said...
"complimentary medicine"

"Hey, you look great today! I love your new haircut! Those clothes look fabulous on you!"

"Thanks! My UC just suddenly went into remission. Keep the compliments coming!"

smile

This is the kind of low caliber comment I have come to expect from the usual suspects. Finding one single error in an entire post that was good hearted so that you can make fun of somebody .

I was posting with my phone and it auto-corrected.

This community is full of vile, hateful, cynical people and it's pathetic that the mods don't stop it.
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poopydoop
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Posts : 2005
Posted 8/15/2022 2:45 PM (GMT -8)
I was once writing an email to one of my students and his name starts with "As" so I wrote "Hi As" and the autocomplete finished it with "shole". Thank god i noticed it before I hit send.
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Kevin_H
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Posts : 24
Posted 8/15/2022 3:53 PM (GMT -8)
No its not vile and its not cynical VJ. Just because you say something is true does not make it so. Most of the posts and threads are well written with good debate. You should take a closer look as to why it is always you that rise this feeling in people. No one else causes this controversy. Rather than write and whine on these threads take a closer look at the pompus way you treat ppl on here who disagree with you. You will find the answers there and not with others.
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ks1905
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Posts : 6420
Posted 8/16/2022 12:52 PM (GMT -8)

VanJordan said...


This is the kind of low caliber comment I have come to expect from the usual suspects. Finding one single error in an entire post that was good hearted so that you can make fun of somebody .

I was posting with my phone and it auto-corrected.

This community is full of vile, hateful, cynical people and it's pathetic that the mods don't stop it.

Always playing the victim. Kevin_H made some good points, maybe you should take them to heart.
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