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damo123
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Posted 8/24/2022 12:54 AM (GMT -8)
In the Pravda thread on page 8 there is a comment by Mark4623 where he calls a member a disgusting ***** piece of *****.

I’m
Highingting thiz ugly, bullying and nasty comment here for all to see in this post. I would hope that the moderators see this too and do the right thing.
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kyle_dn
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Posted 8/24/2022 2:38 AM (GMT -8)
Stop, you will get mark banned and i'd hate for that to happen, i wear each of his insults with a badge of honour!
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Michelejc
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Posted 8/24/2022 6:39 AM (GMT -8)
I deleted that comment. I also locked that thread.
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CCinPA
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Posted 8/24/2022 10:54 AM (GMT -8)
thanks, Michele.
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Michelejc
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Posted 8/24/2022 11:07 AM (GMT -8)

CCinPA said...
thanks, Michele.

Your welcome!
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damo123
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Posted 8/24/2022 11:15 AM (GMT -8)
Well done Michelle on getting rid of that disgusting post from Mark.
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Hambo88
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Posted 8/24/2022 9:25 PM (GMT -8)
This hyrodegen peroxid story lighted to the most of people only trust in main stream medicines, information.
And most of people only want to pump into himself the remicade/ entivio anything. And not open any new alternative new things.

there was a study, the Pravda's paper.
It summarezid some other studies results. And this man made a trial. And his treatment reached 85% remmision rate.

Ok this study - no doubt -is too small and maybe not well controlled and followed for long time.

But if somebody does not say that this study at least a very intersting paper but he or she say quack Pravda and Van Jordan then this peopple is not too clever , this is sure.

we have to be open for new ways. I think recent official resarch method is missway, at least we should examine more possibilities what can cause the UC.
i have spoken with some GI-s. They sad normaly and in reality the remicade, entivio etc. drugs has not reached 50-60% remission rate (as the studies tell) but they have 30 % remmision rate, and there was other 20%-30% who got better after using these drugs but not was in remmision.
And we did not speak about the allergic reactions, side effects, other things... Do you understand? 30 %!..
what we are speaking about?!!!
I think this is terrible result.

we need new way medicines, it is very clear. To stay recent medicines way is only the big pharmas interest, because they need only one thing :the profit.


Here was a new study with exact treatment and what was the reaction by people ? ahh this is a stupid things, only 38 patients..blabla.. and on and on....

this is the problem! If we will not try to go in new direction too, then we will stay here.
And the new medicines can come from new strange studies, results etc.

So i am sad because of the most of people reactions in this topic and i am sad because of the HW way of thinking about this question.
But we are different, i know.
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poopydoop
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Posted 8/25/2022 2:38 AM (GMT -8)
Lol...

If a drug works for me on an individual level then I don't care if the success rate is 30% or 60%.

The low efficacy rate of individual drugs is because there are different phenotypes of UC. These days there are many different drugs to try. Each works by a different mechanism and researchers are figuring out how to predict whether a drug will work on any given patient from taking a biopsy, so that they don't have to waste time finding the right treatment by trial and error.

I don't like "pumping" immunosuppressants into my body but I had zero quality of life without them and now I'm living my life like a normal person, thanks to those drugs. I am grateful that they exist. If none of the drugs had worked for me, I would have gone for surgery and got on with my life.

I'm 100% in favour of methods to treat UC that don't involve immunosuppression. There are many researchers around the world working on this problem and they do it in a much more humble and professional way than the person who has caused so much controversy on these forums. The paper you mentioned is really badly written and doesn't even contain any new science but is a rehash of his previous papers packaged as a "cure".

If I spot poor science and unprofessional/questionable behaviour I will point it out. Just as I will point out untruths about the way scientific research works (there are plenty of hospitals/institutions working on projects that are NOT connected to pharmaceutical companies. Especially outside the US).

Every time I or anyone else provided another paper on the subject - better written, in superior journals - it was ignored. Surely it's part of being curious and unbiased to study all sources and not just the one that paints a nice story.

People should be allowed to point out flaws in a paper as part of a discussion. And yes the doctor in question has some behaviours that are typical of quack doctors. Up to you whether you want to give him the benefit of the doubt or not.
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damo123
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Posted 8/25/2022 4:09 AM (GMT -8)
Hambo,

There was a time when if a person was in a really bad IBD flare they died with probability 1 in 3. about 30%. We have come along way since then so rather criticizing that these new biologics only provide remission in 30% of cases why not actually consider the huge steps pharma has taken to make a sizeable dent in IBD.; from a 30% mortality rate to a 30% remission rate over 50 - 60 years. Rather than wave a flag and complain about these poor remission rates I think it is more apt to actually give the science a little credit here. I have not seen peer reviewed published research that non - pharma methods are producing remission rates of 30% or more. Moreover that 30% represents thousands and thousands of patients, and their families, who have gotten sizeable chunk of normality back into their lives. I'm unsure of the situation in USA or other countries in Europe but from where I am from I do know that many of the insurers and government agencies involved do go a long way in helping patients experiment with the drugs that are neccessary for them to obtain remission. Insurance premium are probably significant I know but again the situation is so much better than in was in yester year because of pharma and modern science.

By all means go and experiment with alternative methods and I hope you find a solution. But IBD is a difficult complex heterogeneous condition to treat and the attacks made on pharma here and modern medical interventions are not jutified.. If you do not want to pump these biologics into your body then don't.
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LowLead
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Posted 8/25/2022 5:49 AM (GMT -8)
Bear with me for the long post again, but for the record I tend to agree that biologics are extremely valuable, and in no way, shape, or form would I ever discredit positive testimony from a patient who's had their life turned around with biologic treatment, nor would I ever actually attack modern medicine. I spend most of my time reading about the bleeding edge of medicine and sharing what I read. It really doesn't get any more modern than that.

I think it's disgraceful when people use chronic illness to sell you something. I remember shortly after my diagnosis one of my friends sent me a link to a probiotic you could purchase online, telling me it'd make it all go away. He must of spent all of about 10 minutes looking it up. I was pissed and didn't talk to him for nearly a week. I was angry because these kinds of ploys undermine my intelligence. I stay awake until 4:00 in the morning reading about the latest research being done, but all it takes is a TV doctor's magic beans? Trust me, I get it.

Abstracts on ulcerative colitis are published on engines like PubMed literally by the day pushing for studies on various subjects. Whether it's on the fecal microbiome, yeast, vaccination complications, or radical induction. Old Mike was just posting about connections to niacin. One theory just so happens to be put out by a Harvard graduate and immunologist who's much smarter than I am, and he even included treatment modern medicine can provide today, not in the future, that's why it's talked about so much.

And another thing, while there are a few strong theories about what causes ulcerative colitis, the fact is, there is no universally accepted, proven cause. If we don't know what causes it, that leaves the door open to virtually any possibility, and it would be unwise to close the door on anything yet, and yes, that includes theories that prove radical induction are wrong too.

20 years ago, I was dependent on methotrexate and prednisolone for uveitis that was so severe it took me across state lines twice to be examined by doctors from different hemispheres. Then it stopped, and I haven't needed anything since (knock on wood). That means something in our bodies can influence severe idiopathic inflammation. I hope we find out what that is as it relates to ulcerative colitis, soon.

There should be common ground here:

- Ulcerative colitis occurs.
- It poses severe financial burdens to many.
- We would like there to be less of it.

It is incumbent upon modern medicine to address the last point, and we can hope for that, while appreciating how far it's come.
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poopydoop
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Posted 8/25/2022 7:08 AM (GMT -8)
Lowlead I agree with many of your points.

Let's be clear about the Harvard thing: Dr Pravda's medical degree (MD) is from the University of Puerto Rico and not Harvard.

Post Edited (poopydoop) : 8/26/2022 3:13:49 AM (GMT-7)

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clo2014
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Posted 8/25/2022 9:38 AM (GMT -8)
Lowlead,

Good post.

Flowers--I didn't catch that. Good eye!

Clo
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FlowersGal
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Posted 8/25/2022 12:33 PM (GMT -8)
This is the kind of discussion that used to happen here without (usually!😀) turning into back and forth insults!

Love it! Thanks everyone!
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ks1905
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Posted 8/26/2022 8:17 AM (GMT -8)
When people are comparing medical treatments they should use a matrix and consider more than just the medication’s effectiveness rate.

I’ve taken Cyclosporine for severe flares and it has about a 90% effectiveness rate when you take via IV in a hospital, but you take it in a hospital and it has side-effects and risks that most people do not want to deal with. So give me a biological that works relatively quickly, has very few side effects, and is 30-40% effective. It’s a better choice IMO, I’ve taken both types of medications and have had surgery. And I wish that I had surgery long before I did, taking Cyclosporine to save my colon was a mistake but it was fast and effective.
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Charlie789
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Posted 8/26/2022 8:30 AM (GMT -8)
im interested to know Keith why you thought taking Cyclosporine was a mistake in hindsight? was it that surgery was ultimately ur path and it delayed the inevitable or did it contribute to the hip problem you've spoken about
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poopydoop
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Posted 8/26/2022 8:33 AM (GMT -8)
Ah charlie just asked the same question I was about to.

I have a family member who is a gastroenterologist, he said he had patients coming into his office after surgery saying "Why didn't you do this 20 years ago?".
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ks1905
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Posted 8/26/2022 8:35 AM (GMT -8)
Cyclosporine saved my colon twice but my QOL is much better now with a j-pouch (including chronic pouchitis) than it ever was with UC.

Due to long term steroid use I needed my hip replaced in my 30’s.

Cyclosporine just delayed the inevitable. A lot of lost days spent sick at home or in the hospital.
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Charlie789
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Posted 8/26/2022 8:47 AM (GMT -8)
i know u are a 30s guy keith....how has the hip replacement affected u in terms of being active for sports? can you still run etc?

also did u suffer from non-pred related ExtraIntestional Manifestations pre surgery and if you did have these going away after surgery

thanks
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ks1905
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Posted 8/26/2022 11:27 AM (GMT -8)
In my 40’s now. I’m not sure that I ever had the extra manifestations but I felt achy, sore, joints would creek when I moved, and sometimes feverish - but that could have been the steroids.

I haven’t had any of those issues since I had a Colectomy. I woke up and generally felt so much better but sore from the surgeries.

I do not have the same flexibility in my new hip as my good hip but I’d say that my new hip is 95+% of my good hip.
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