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enjoygolf
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Posted 10/18/2022 6:34 PM (GMT -8)
I know Regular medicare covers Entyvio under Part B. Does anyone know if the united healthcare Medicare Advantage plan covers Entyvio

Thanks
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ks1905
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Posted 10/18/2022 8:13 PM (GMT -8)
You could always ask for their formulary list for what is covered.

It would be nice if we had universal healthcare like a real developed nation.
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Old Hat
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Posted 10/18/2022 10:22 PM (GMT -8)
Be very wary of leaving original Medicare for an Advantage plan! BTW, how did your safari trip turn out? / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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FlowersGal
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Posted 10/18/2022 10:25 PM (GMT -8)
I agree with OH. Medicare + a supplemental is by far superior to an advantage plan — except for the prescription side I guess. But what you save on medical more than makes up for it (if you have a good supplemental that picks up the 20% tha Medicare doesn’t pay.
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enjoygolf
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Posted 10/19/2022 7:34 AM (GMT -8)
Old Hat-The Safari was awesome thanks for asking. When I retired I received a stipend to help cover the supplemental plan. They are stopping that next year and offering a Hybrid Advantage Plan PPO plan instead that is not offered on the open market. I am going to check with the new insurance to make sure it still covers Entyvio like Part B does now.
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straydog
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Posted 10/19/2022 7:35 AM (GMT -8)
I have regular Medicare with a supplemental & will never switch to an advantage plan. I know all of those commercials make them sound wonderful, but I personally know a few people that had nothing but one problem after another with their plans.

We have United HealthCare for our supplemental, on our plan when you turn 65 all yearly deductibles are paid by them, we pay nothing towards the deductibles.

My husband received a stipend too when he retired. Two years ago the company stopped the stipend. Given his health problems it's worth paying $212 a month for his supplemental.

OH is right about trying to switch back to regular Medicare if you were to try one. There is a good chance you would be stuck.

Don't forget the PPO may cover your medication for 2023, but that generally changes yearly on drug coverage.
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Alcie
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Posted 10/19/2022 8:40 AM (GMT -8)
If you have a lot of conditions it makes financial sense to stay with a supplement. No co-pays, no deductibles for multiple visits. And you can always get a stand-alone prescription plan. Savings cards can reduce prescription prices a lot too!
I was on an "advantage" plan that was discontinued, lucky for me, and was able to get into a supplement without paying more for my conditions. It's a bit per month, but I see multiple doctors for several chronic problems, so it comes out cheaper for me. It's also great for traveling as there are no costs for any doctor who takes Medicare.
Ignore the ads that pop up this time of year trying to snag you into "more coverage" which also have co-pays, and figure out for yourself which way to go. Don't look at just your current needs but what you are sure is going to come up.
There are several types of supplements, so consider carefully! The only difference between companies is the price - by law! So don't just look at a brand name.
If you drop your supplement you can't get back in at the same price. They will then consider pre-existing conditions, which they aren't allowed to do if you sign up at the beginning of Medicare.
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enjoygolf
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Posted 10/19/2022 10:29 AM (GMT -8)
Just checked with the Insurance provider. The New Advantage Plan covers any existing condition/infusions just like Medicare part B-they said I will not need any prior approval to continue on Enytivio. Looks like my medical out of pocket max is about 1/2 what my supplement annual cost is. Will need to check further.
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CCinPA
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Posted 10/19/2022 11:19 AM (GMT -8)
I have another year before I go on Medicare. Since I will still be working, can I use my work insurance as the supplement or should I look for standalone supplemental insurance? This whole thing is kinda crazy and makes my head hurt lol.

I thought there was talk about abolishing the Advantage plans a few years ago because they weren't as good as they claimed and cost a lot of money for anyone who has health issues. I see that they are still around because I see the ads all the time.

I am so used to my work insurance that medicare is going to be a real learning experience that I have mixed emotions about. I have pretty good work insurance and after my 1st remicade infusion of the year I am maxed out for my out of pocket with insurance so after that everything is no charge to me the rest of the year -- doctor visits, labs, prescriptions etc ... I pay nothing except my premium.
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CCinPA
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Posted 10/19/2022 11:22 AM (GMT -8)
Are there any insurance advisors who can help us determine what kind of supplement is best to get to cover what Medicare doesn't?
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straydog
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Posted 10/19/2022 12:57 PM (GMT -8)
CCinPA, check with HR about your private insurance coverage. I can tell you first hand, using your private insurance as a supplemental it pays very little, at least that was my experience & your deductible will apply.

When my husband turned 65 I had to find a supplemental policy for him. I got online & looked, each state has different coverages. You can look online now & sort of get an idea how it all works.

You can also look for an insurance broker that can help find coverage. Most do not charge for their service, I suspect they are paid a fee by the insurance company.

Advantage Plans are alive & thriving, lol. I will tell you what my dr told me about Advantage Plans, he said they are for healthy people that rarely need to see a dr. Obviously I did not fit that scenario.

The cheaper the plan, less coverage. You should apply for the assistance card to help with your deductible. Try not to stress, I know easier said than done.
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damo123
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Posted 10/19/2022 12:59 PM (GMT -8)
It is hard for us Europeans to fathom that these questions even have to be asked by patients in America. Our health systems differ, country by country, and probably the NHS in the UK is not the best but still provides a greater level of service and benefit that seems to be the case for americans. That said I'm not sure why the resultant premiums are then like.

But still....c'mon man!!!
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island time
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Posted 10/19/2022 2:47 PM (GMT -8)

damo123 said...
It is hard for us Europeans to fathom that these questions even have to be asked by patients in America. Our health systems differ, country by country, and probably the NHS in the UK is not the best but still provides a greater level of service and benefit that seems to be the case for americans. That said I'm not sure why the resultant premiums are then like.

But still....c'mon man!!!

If it weren’t for American ingenuity driven by free enterprise and competition, they’d be no Entyvio and precious few other drugs for UC or any other ailment for that matter.

America cures the world. Someone has to pay for that research. And that bill is paid by American Pharmaceutical companies.

America invents it and sells it to the world.

😊 on Humira
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Old Hat
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Posted 10/19/2022 2:49 PM (GMT -8)
CCinPA-- I agree that Medicare seems daunting, especially at first, but you'll learn to deal with it, and in many cases it works better than private insurance. Have you looked over its Website? Be sure to initiate your application 6 months prior to your retirement date. I was lucky at my govt. office appointment to get a very experienced nearly-senior female customer service rep who "knew all the ropes" and spent about 20 minutes online inputting on my behalf, then she explained whatever I needed to do further on my own. Post-enrollment there is a "grace period" you'll have to choose a supplement plan (AKA "Medigap" policy) if you go that route instead of any alternative available through your employer. More benefits should come about for us through 2025, due to the recently passed Inflation Reduction Act that includes new provisions for retirees/Medicare. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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damo123
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Posted 10/19/2022 4:03 PM (GMT -8)
You keep believing that Island Time...all the major health breakthroughs are from europe....any major ones from america are funded from european researchers.

That the american health system is a joke is well known since ye guys spend so much time griping about it on here for the rest of us to have to hear. There is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that american cures the world...ye are barely top 10 in literacy, not even top 40 in math or science, not top 30 in life expectancy, not top 10 in infant mortality, ....in fact one of the few areas ye lead the world is defense spending. That is america's kinda thing!!

I remember watching Jimmy Kimmel Live during the January 6th events and somebody on his show said..."whatever will the rest of the world think of now"...to which jimmy replied..."i wouldn't worry about that, most of the rest of the world has been laughing at america for the last 10 years".

Leave the science to the countries who can do it properly.
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CCinPA
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Posted 10/19/2022 5:00 PM (GMT -8)
I always think other countries are fortunate to not have to deal with insurance like we do in the U.S., but I have also read other stories that make me glad for the health care I have. Seems we have more freedom of choice when it comes to doctors for one thing. Would be nice if we could come up with the pros of each type of system and roll into something better for us all.

Straydog -- what assistance card are you talking about? I might look for an insurance broker for help.

Old Hat -- I guess I have until June/July 2023 to figure this out. Will have to check out the medicare website. Fun times lol

Once I figure it out it won't be so bad and I will be breathing a sigh of relief. Private insurance without medicare is too expensive for nearly everyone once you are over 60. With medicare I won't be dependent on employer provided insurance anymore.
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FlowersGal
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Posted 10/19/2022 5:55 PM (GMT -8)
Cc— the best supplemental plan used to be plan f as it completely pays the 20 % that Medicare doesn’t. But I believe they discontinued it (I’m grandfathered in so get to keep it). I believe the next best plan is plan g. The government sets the plans so it doesn’t matter which company you go with (although some of them add in incentives like silver sneakers gym membership which give you free access to participating gyms). The government also pays a stipend to licensed insurance agents so it’s free to you to talk to one. I’d find one who specializes in Medicare as they understand the plans better.

Medicare with a supplement F works great for me because I pay $0 for my entyvio infusions. Since they are administered by a dr/hospital setting, they are covered under the medical side. Also hospitalizations are covered completely if you have the plan f. I’m not sure about the others.

The really difficult part of Medicare is the part D which is the prescription side. Different plans cover different drugs at different rates and most of our UC drugs are highly expensive. That should get better when the new rules go into effect getting rid of the “donut hole” and give us a yearly cap on out of pocket.

Oh also there’s no dental plan. I believe the advantage plans have some but I would not choose an advantage plan. They try to make them sound great in all the ads but my understanding is they’re basically HMOs and end up costing more in the long run if you have a chronic condition.

I honestly think our medical is pretty darn good. It’s the prescription and drug companies that are out of control seeking profit over health.
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Lka58
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Posted 10/19/2022 6:54 PM (GMT -8)
I am following very closely. I turn 65 in April. Right now I am in my husband’s plan, he still works. But the insurance stopped paying for mesalamine enemas. It came as a surprise. It’s not that I am desperate for them as they never helped much but made me think of Medicare as better option.
So this information is very helpful.
Besides there might be biological in my future. I am doing not too bad but always on the edge and getting tired of it. Higher level meds still sound scary but if it comes to it I need to be prepared as far as insurance.
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Old Hat
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Posted 10/19/2022 7:38 PM (GMT -8)
RE: "Leaving the science to countries that can do it properly" comment above: the 1st polio vaccine was devised by American Dr. Jonas Salk at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center in Pennsylvania, USA, in 1954. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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naturalcurl
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Posted 10/19/2022 8:28 PM (GMT -8)
In the US I would start with an independent, free government-sponsored program. Completely independent and objective Medicare counselors. The service is called SHIP, there is one in every state. I used HICAP in California both one-on-one and group sessions.
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Lynnwood
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Posted 10/19/2022 8:34 PM (GMT -8)
Re: "Advantage Plans are basically HMOs."

Like everything, it's get what you pay for. I choose an Advantage Plan that is a PFFS, which means it covers even Drs which wouldn't ordinarily accept Medicare... no provider is wholly "out of network".

Too darn many choices, in my opinion. We all end up picking what looks best when we reach our personal level of exasperation! Not scientific at all.

I do have multiple chronic conditions, disabled by Social Security at 42, and have been happy with the Advantage plan I've had for over 20 years. Sometimes new medications are tricky, but there are ways around it... I hate to use Canadian mail-order pharmacies but they work for my otherwise exorbitant meds.

Post Edited (Lynnwood) : 10/19/2022 9:37:21 PM (GMT-7)

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clo2014
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Posted 10/19/2022 10:34 PM (GMT -8)
I had a friend that tried an advantage plan. She's still paying off her bills from that year. She was stuck in it and could not get out. And she was unable to go back to her previous plan with Medicare. She now she has regular Medicare and a supplement.

Before retiring I would check with my work. HR department and see what they have available for you when you retire. At our work there was fine print that stated we had to do XYZ for 5 years to be eligible for our insurance coverage when we retired. Thankfully we had done that so we are able to keep it... While paying a monthly premium. It supplements Medicare so I am relieved but still worried about costs.

I can't believe that insurance does not cover supplements for people with IBD. I pay over 150. a month in vitamin supplements plus my medications. 😐

As far as the healthcare in the USA. I am grateful for what we have. Can it be improved? Of course. I don't think there's a country or health care system that can't be improved upon. I'd much rather deal with the American system than with some others. Others wait times and processes truly irritated me. They seem to be very linear. You have to do A, then B, then C...and so on. Trying to go from A to G directly is very very difficult. At least in the US I was able to go from A to M with only 1 dispute with our insurance company. We were never able to accomplish that in other places.... But perhaps we didn't understand the other systems enough.

Research like crazy. A mistake here can negatively impact us for years.

Clo

Post Edited (clo2014) : 10/19/2022 11:38:24 PM (GMT-7)

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CCinPA
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Posted 10/20/2022 11:08 AM (GMT -8)
Lots of good info in this thread for us old folks in the U.S. smile Thanks, everyone!! Shame this has to be so complicated. The older we get the harder it will be to navigate all of this. I hope I can pick a good plan/plans that I will be able to stay with.

I did a little poking around on Medicare's website and there are so many plans! Does everyone get A & B from medicare and then we have to choose the other supplements? D is for drugs I think and then there are a bunch of others. This can't possibly be what was intended for Medicare. What a mess!

I was looking at some prices and Plan G had prices ranging from about $100 to over $300. If each plan has to cover the same things why the price range?
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straydog
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Posted 10/20/2022 12:33 PM (GMT -8)
CCin PA, sorry I wasn't more specific about the discount card for your Remicade. Remicade has a patient assistance program that helps with co-pays & deductibles, it is not income based. If you will go to Remicade's website you will see what I'm talking about. Back in the day, I used it with my deductible.

Part A is the hospital part, this is what we pay for monthly. Part B is medical portion & it's free. Both have a yearly deductible. When applying go ahead & apply for both parts. Yes, your supplemental plan you file for it separately, same with part D.

Under B they paid for my home oxygen, physical therapy when I broke my arm & in home wound care. Same with my husband, he was having trouble with diabetic ulcers & he had in home wound care.

FlowersGal is right, Plan G is very similar to the old Plan F. I cannot explain the difference in price. What I found when looking was United Health Care through AARP had the best coverage that fit my husband's needs & mine.

SSA.gov is where I read about Medicare coverage, I find their site user friendly. I know at first it can be overwhelming looking at the supplemental plan policies. When I was looking I wanted a policy that paid the best & most on medical treatment.

Try doing an internet search like this; Medi Gap policies for whatever your state is. When I do it this way it shows a graph of companies with what they cover & the cost.
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Posted 10/20/2022 1:51 PM (GMT -8)
CCinPA-- once you enroll in original Medicare, their HQ sends an update to insurees every autumn that explains new features or changes to be implemented in the following year. If you choose an AARP-authorized Supplement Plan (Medigap policy) from United Health Care Insurance Co., you'll be obliged to join AARP, too, at $16 annual membership fee. However, AARP then will send you their monthly magazine plus frequent bulletins with lots of info on health, govt. legislation/practices, money management for seniors, etc. Not a bad set-up because AARP lobbies Congress for action on senior issues, and gets more attention there than most individuals would. *** The doctor who DXed my UC decades back advised me to always stay in a large medical insurance pool-- because they may change fees or regulations over time, but are less likely to majorly fail their enrollees in the long run. I have found that advice very helpful in my retirement planning. Best wishes-- try to stay calm, organize info, think positively, and you'll figure out what is most beneficial for you to choose. / Old Hat (40+ yrs with left-sided UC; in remission taking Colazal)
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