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RS2022
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Posted 1/5/2023 10:41 PM (GMT -8)
Hello,
I'm a newbie here. I recently received a diagnosis of UC (although the biopsy said Crohns colitis). For the past 20 plus years I've always been told I only had IBS. In 2019, was told I had left sided colitis after my scope. But when they checked it again 9 months later it had cleared up.

Then in 2020, I had uveitis and again in 2022. Then I had my appendix out and the inflammation was discovered. After that I had my 6th colonoscopy. I was given Lialda, but I had started having bad joint pain in my elbows, which the Lialda was not helping. I also had what for years what felt like tailbone pain (was assuming it was fibroids for many years). So I was given prednisone and after 6 hours almost all of the pain was gone. I have felt much better ever since (only pain in my right shin area?).

Anyway, the doctor wants me to try Stelara. I'm thinking since I do not have the typical symptoms that I might not need to start on a biologic. I do not have diarrhea (although I started out that way over 20 years ago). I actually have constipation and I have had issues with mucous in the stool (only seen blood on occasions and assumed it was internal hemorrhoids. For those who have a more experience with the treatments, how do you know when it's time to consider a drug like Stelara? I haven't had an appointment yet to ask about the steroid, but it is possible that it will help resolve my issues, along with the Lialda? I have had any eye issues in 7 months (twice total). By the way, I did have a calprotectin test that was 367.

Of course, it is nice not having the joint pain, but I know I can't stay on the steroid long term (started on 40mg, went to 30 mg and now on 20mg). I'm just torn about whether or not I'm to the point where I need a stronger drug. Thanks in advance for your comments.

Post Edited (RS2022) : 1/5/2023 10:49:14 PM (GMT-8)

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poopydoop
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Posted 1/6/2023 1:43 AM (GMT -8)
Stelara is MUCH safer than steroids. If you take steroids long term you risk osteoporosis, diabetes, weight gain and a host of other problems. Of all the biologics stelara is one of the safest and it may help your joint pains, uveitis and colitis in one.
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poopydoop
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Posted 1/6/2023 1:54 AM (GMT -8)
Ps I have had many flares of colitis without diarrhea or blood - my main symptoms were abdominal pain and urgency.

And one of my biggest regrets (not that i had a choice because i was at the mercy of the doctors) is spending too long on prednisone and not starting biologics sooner. I was diagnosed with severe osteoporosis at age 36, following 2 years on mostly low-dose prednisone.
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geezernow
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Posted 1/6/2023 3:16 AM (GMT -8)
Steroids were much worse for me than any biologics I've been prescribed. Steroids only cover up the symptoms and cause a lot of harm to other body parts. YOU have to decide for yourself, but for me...the less steroids, the better. Good luck to you.
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RS2022
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Posted 1/6/2023 6:16 AM (GMT -8)
Thanks for all of the advice. It all makes so much sense to me. I suspect that my 82 yo mom may have had UC for years. She had to have the left side of her colon removed in 2014. She was frequently taking steroids, but I never knew the true reason, because I lived in a different state after I married and moved away. She always said it was for diverticulitis (she had horrible bleeding episodes). Well, now she has both osteoporosis and diabetes. Her surgery was an emergency to save her life due to an infection. The surgeon said the colon was so "trashed" he did not know the true issue on the day of surgery.

Anyway, I'm starting to feel like I just need to pray about it and take the Stelara. Perhaps if I had taken the Lialda I was given in 2019 this diagnosis would not have moved from left-sided to pancolitis. It's just that I seem to have more issues of the systems outside the colon and chronic constipation (taking Linzess). I am going to try the SCD diet, which has helped a bit with the painful bloating/smelly gas that I get (an embarrassing issue that has caused me not to work outside the house for the last few years...currently looking for an at home job because of it).

Also, I still do not understand why one doctor (my 2nd opinion doctor) is saying that it is probably crohn's colitis. He just stated that many doctors do not feel you can have crohns in the rectum but that you really can (saying this because the biopsy showed granulomas I think he said). My treating doctor said it looked like UC during the colonoscopy, so that's what she diagnosed it as.

Well, I want to thank you all for the advice. I do appreciate it so much, because I have no one to talk to about my concerns. No one I know has this issue and no one understands. This diagnosis has caused some symptoms that I have only shared with my dear hubby. So, thanks again!

Post Edited (RS2022) : 1/6/2023 6:35:45 AM (GMT-8)

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straydog
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Posted 1/6/2023 6:47 AM (GMT -8)
RS2022, welcome to the forum. The other members has given you excellent information about prednisone. I ended up with osteoporosis at a young age. I've had treatment for it, not the best results, however, some results are better than none.

If you plan to go on Stelara, I would not do the SCD diet at the same time. The reason I say this is once you start improving you will not know which one is working.

Can you get copies of the scope & biopsy reports? You can request copies. I know it's frustrating when drs don't agree, however, Stelara is used for both diseases.

Take care.
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RS2022
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Posted 1/6/2023 7:18 AM (GMT -8)
Thanks so much! I can request copies of the biopsy. Unfortunately it was not posted in my portal because I had it done at a different location that my doctor works at. I will request it and update my post.

Thanks for the tip on the diet. I never thought about the fact that I would not know if the Stelara is helping me. I tend to have issues digesting certain foods. It's so weird...if I eat easy to digest foods the constipation is not as bad and I have been gone in the opposite direction before. So many GI doctors in the past felt like it was all in my "head". I got so discouraged, I did not look for another job after being released from my last job for having to take off so much with my symptoms (mainly uncontrollable gas). sad It was a tough time emotionally, because at the time the income I made was a very helpful addition, especially at a time when our only child was in college.

Oh, I also was just told this year I probably have Sjogren's (positive A antibody) and I've had Hashimoto for over 20 years. So, I guess all of these are autoimmune issues. I'm in my early 50's now, so none of this goes very well with hot flashes. But, I am grateful that it's not any worse. I'm trying to live a more stress free life to help all of these issues.

Anyway, I will request the biopsy and update. Thanks again!
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Posted 1/6/2023 12:23 PM (GMT -8)
The finding of granulomas in the biopsies is a strong signal that this is likely Crohn's and not UC.

The history and symptoms you describe (more constipation than diarrhea, mucus, and not all that frequent blood in stool, the longstanding belief it was IBS instead of IBD) also indicate Crohn's is likely.

In that case, the mesalamines like Lialda wouldn't have done much if any good for you anyway.

Since Crohn's disease is highly suspected, you should have further testing to help solidify the diagnosis and to assess the condition of of the other regions of your digestive tract. This means having a small bowel MRI or CT scan with contrast.

Also, the joint pains and tailbone pain and uveitis mean you should have a workup done with a rheumatologist. They may be secondary to your IBD (ie, extra-intestinal manifestations), but they also might be signs that you have a separate rheumatologic condition.

After all this, an appropriate treatment plan can be formed.

Steroids are to be avoided when at all possible and only used as a last resort when symptoms are flaring badly and you need to get the symptoms under control quickly.

Stelara works for both Crohn's and UC, and for some rheumatologic conditions, so it's a reasonable choice given what you know. But as I stated above, further testing should be done.

Post Edited (beave) : 1/6/2023 12:26:14 PM (GMT-8)

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RS2022
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Posted 1/6/2023 2:18 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks so much for your suggestions. My gastroenterologist did order a MRI of the small intestines and it was negative for crohns. Unfortunately, I did not schedule the EGD when I scheduled the colonoscopy. I had one in 2019 and it just showed gastritis, so I think since we didn't schedule it, my Dr is just going to watch me for symptoms. I have GERD and issues with nausea and feeling like food is not going down properly (although testing showed the opposite). I have had reflux issues for 26+ years. I take prilosec and famotidine for it. My new gastroenterologist kind of inherited me as a patient, when my last Dr had to abruptly take an early retirement, prior to the pandemic. So, when the pandemic hit, there was a 2+ year delay in me following up (just virtual appts). I actually only was suspected of having UC at that point, even after the colonoscopy in 2019 (the biopsy back then said it might be the beginnings of IBD).

My PCP sent me to a Rheumatologist before I had my colonoscopy, and she just said there was nothing to treat at the time since I only had elbow pain. I did not mention the tailbone or lower back pain because for years I was told that it was due to fibroids/endometriosis. My PCP had me to email her and let her know about the IBD diagnosis and she just questioned why my Gastro Dr would prescribe Stelara over Humira when I have had uveitis and joint pain. She said Stelara is more gut specific. So, of course that created questions for me.

So, as you can see, there have been a few challenges. But, it seems as if we're on to a better path to getting some treatment now. I'm so glad that I found this forum. I so greatly appreciate everyone for weighing in.
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FlowersGal
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Posted 1/6/2023 2:19 PM (GMT -8)
I’ll just pop in to add that those of us on biological really understand the angst that comes from looking at making the decision. I remember thinking the same thing about it seeming like such a big gun and maybe if I just try this or that I’ll find a cure or treatment. But looking back from remission land the decision seems so simple and most of us wonder why we suffered so much longer while hesitating. If stellar a puts you in remission you’ll see what I mean. Listed side effects will sound horrible and scary but just remember most people don’t get them. Plus for perspective read the posted side effects (which most people never read) of any common drug or anti biotic: not much different.

Good luck in your decision. If you post your biopsy results someone will most likely be able to interpret it for you. (Not me! 😂)
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beave
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Posted 1/6/2023 2:49 PM (GMT -8)
The tailbone and lower back pain *might* be nothing but the all-too-common pains that many people have, but it also could be something called sacroiliitis or another type of spondyloarthropathy (inflammatory arthritis of the spine). These sometimes go hand-in-hand with IBD and also with uveitis.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sacroiliitis/symptoms-causes/syc-20350747

What blood tests did the rheumatologist order? Who discovered the positive antibodies (did you mean positive ANA, anti-nuclear antibodies, or was it some other antibody? And what were the levels?)? Do you have any symptoms of Sjogren's?

Humira is also a reasonable med for you, maybe moreso than Stelara. Remicade might be better still.
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beave
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Posted 1/6/2023 2:52 PM (GMT -8)
Oh, by the way, Stelara isn't really more gut-specific. It's also used for psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis. Entyvio is the one that is highly gut-specific. But I'm not sure if Stelara is useful for uveitis or whether that has even been tested. Humira and Remicade have been used for all of the above (IBD, some inflammatory arthritis, and uveitis).
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poopydoop
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Posted 1/6/2023 3:50 PM (GMT -8)
There have been some clinical trials with stelara and uveitis recently but not sure what the results were.
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RS2022
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Posted 1/6/2023 7:41 PM (GMT -8)
I have had dry eyes since I was a teenager and had to stop wearing contacts because of it. I also get headaches from dry eyes. I only recently this year started having the dry mouth. I was positive for Anti-SS-A, but not B (the number was in the 60's if I recall). My ANA was negative (only had a positive ANA once in 2008 and the rheumatologist did other test and called me saying that I had Hashimoto. The ophthalmologist ordered all kinds of test looking for reasons for the uveitis (although she said they almost never find a reason). All of the tests were negative (had HLA-B27 gene test, sarcoidosis test, chest X-Ray, RA Factor, TB and you name it). Thank goodness the uveitis has not returned.

My GI doctor did say that as long as I was not having eye issues that she wanted to use Stelara. My son takes Humira for a skin inflammation issue (that many actually correlated with IBD) that I supposedly have too, but on a more mild basis. Thank God he has had a good experience with it. His advice was very similar as what I'm reading here. No one wants to have to take these meds, but they do help people to feel better and we have to be grateful for that. I know that I want to get back to work, but I need to know that these unpleasant symptoms that I experienced in the past will not flare up again (it was the most humiliating experiences I have ever had in life).

I go see my doctor next week and I saw the approval for Stelara in my portal, along with a script for a TB and Hep test. She asked me to get the flu and the pneumonia vaccine. I have not had the flu nor the vaccine before. Is that something that most people feel is necessary before starting a biologic? My son got Covid twice while on Humira and just stopped taking it for a few months after his first symptomatic Covid experience. The 2nd time he got it, he was asymptomatic. His doctor did not advise him to take any extra vaccines prior to starting Humira.

Post Edited (RS2022) : 1/6/2023 8:03:40 PM (GMT-8)

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beave
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Posted 1/6/2023 7:55 PM (GMT -8)
OK, sounds like you've had a good workup from the rheumatology point of view.

For any of the biologics, one concern is lung infections - tuberculosis especially, but also pneumonia that comes after you get the flu or covid.

TB and Hep tests before starting are standard procedure.

It's also standard procedure to recommend flu vaccines while on biologics (well, actually, docs recommend flu vaccines even for people NOT on biologics, but people often ignore that advice!).

Same with covid vaccines.

You can do them before you start Stelara (or Humira or whatever) or even after you have started. The only thing you can't do is take live vaccines after starting the medication.

They also recommend shingles vaccines for people on biologics, especially Stelara, because it increases your chances of getting shingles (just a little increase, not a huge risk, but who wants shingles). The vaccine for that is the new shingrix vaccine that requires two shots a couple months apart. You can also do that before or after starting Stelara. Shingrix is recommended for people over 50 anyway, and especially if you're over 50 and on immunosuppressant medications.

You might also ask your primary care doctor about pneumonia vaccines, like the new prevnar 20. It's usually for people over 65 but is now being recommended for those younger who are on these meds.

You don't have to do all of them at once or immediately. Start with flu now, since it's flu season, then covid, then in the coming months get the shingles shots and ask about pneumonia vaccines.
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RS2022
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Posted 1/6/2023 8:09 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks everyone for all of the excellent advice/recommendations. I greatly appreciate everyone weighing in. I feel much better just having someone to discuss these issues with. Have a great weekend!
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Posted 1/9/2023 10:51 AM (GMT -8)
Yes, get the vaccines before you start the Stelara. My doctors had me get them. Not all doctors mention it but it's a good idea. You can always stop the Stelara if it doesn't work or you don't want to continue.
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RS2022
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Posted 1/18/2023 8:08 PM (GMT -8)
Hello,
Update: So I had my follow up with my GI doctor. I was approved for the Stelara. I completely forgot to ask for a copy of my biopsy, but she did state that it was indeterminate I believe. She feels like I need the the Stelara due to me having other issues (joint pain and past eye issues). I'm frustrated that I've gained weight on the prednisone. She told me that I can go down to 10mg and she will take me off the prednisone and Lialda once I get the injection. I was trying to see if I could give the Lialda longer to work. She feels like it's not enough due to my symptoms.

I asked if she would check my blood levels (always been anemic even as a child but ferritin has been excessively low as an adult and I have had 3 iron infusions in the past). So she's checking the cbc and iron panel. The resident is always inquiring about skin issues. I have had them but currently I am not having issues. The last time I had issues with my skin was after I received my 2nd Covid shot (last April). So, my hep and tB test are all done. I do have to decide about the flu and pneumonia vaccines. Flu season is almost over, so I'm not sure if I need that one now or not.

Oh, she does want me to follow up with a new Rheumatologist. So, now I have to fit that into my schedule (while starting a new remote job). Once she confirms all my blood work is fine, then I can schedule to get the Stelara.
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Posted 1/19/2023 12:14 PM (GMT -8)
I would call and ask them to send a copy of your biopsy by email or mail or for you to pick up if it’s not inconvenient. It’s important to have in your hands for later use (maybe you change drs or for comparison with later scopes).

Let us know how you do with stelara!
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RS2022
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Posted 1/19/2023 8:37 PM (GMT -8)
You are right, I do need to request a copy of the biopsy. I noticed that all of my paperwork (orders for blood work, etc) now says crohn's. The notes in the portal also said "patchy chronic colitis in different areas of the colon and Rectal - Chronic proctitis - moderate activity with mucosal ulceration granuloma". This is confusing.

Also, according to my blood work, it does seem that I am still iron deficient, but not too anemic (ferritin 8; hemoglobin 11 was 9 a couple months ago).
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