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Posted 8/24/2007 6:48 AM (GMT -8)
 

about yeast. Like I said, it's not about avoiding yeast, it's about getting rid of the extra yeast/fungus growing on the colon wall. Do some research on diving yeast. A lab test confirmed I have it and said it is more than likely contributing to alot of my problems. I'm taking supplements, perscriptions and diets all meant to kill off the yeast. Once I'm yeast free, and possibly feeling alot better I can go back to eating whatever foods. However you can't go back to eating whatever unless you starve it and get rid of it or else you're just feeding it and letting the new diving parts spread and grow.

I'm curious to hear what prescription meds and supplements you're taking to combat yeast overgrowth. My doc gave me two weeks of Diflucan which immediately cut back on swelling and puffiness. Then, he switched me to Nystatin which, unfortunately, has irritated my gut so much I had to quit taking it.

Posted 8/24/2007 7:11 AM (GMT -8)
Princesa,

I have an intolerance to yeast and I have lots of other symptoms which point to yeast infections in my body. I'm on an anti - yeast diet or as best as I can. I take anti - yeast supplements (not medication) - such as oregano oil, olive oil, garlic.

How long do you reckon it takes to kill off the yeast? And doesn't the colon then need a chance to heal. From the little I've read I've been told the colon wall is quite senstivie and healing could take a long time with lots of setbacks (as it still has to do its job).

Can a yeast overgrowth cause leaky - gut syndrome?

D
Posted 8/24/2007 10:19 AM (GMT -8)
I'm also on an anti-candida diet and I take olive oil and garlic caps.

How long it takes you to get your system back into balance depends on how long you've been doing the things that put you at risk and how long you've experienced symptoms. My doc and all the candida books I've read indicate three to six months is not uncommon. It's my doctor's opinion - he's a complimentary medicine doc, meaning he combines traditional allopathic with alternative medicine - it will be difficult to get a candida overgrowth under control without the power of prescription meds. Natural supplements and diet work, but clearing and healing may take alot longer. You never kill off all the yeast... it's a natural part of healthy gut ecology... you just want to bring things back into balance.

Yes, candida is one cause of leaky gut. As I understand from Dr. Crook's book (and others) the yeast changes to a fungal form that can penetrate the gut wall. You can read more about it here:

http://www.yeastconnection.com/about_leaky.html
Posted 8/24/2007 10:26 AM (GMT -8)
Yes I've read about how yeast change. They develop some sort of root. It's quite frigthening.

I don't like the powerful anti - fungal drugs. I've read about their side effects. I'm on enough western meds for the moment. I'm happy to take the supplements and gradually reduce my yeast intake. Did you get any yeast die - off symptoms?

I'm trying some alternative medicine as well with some Chinese / Indian ideas. I think there is a place for all approaches to work together. Happiness is the key to health. I don't think you can be cured unless you mind is first healthy.
Posted 8/24/2007 2:05 PM (GMT -8)
Nystatin is probably the safest drug in the PDR, according to Dr. Crook. It has little or no known side effects. From what I understand, very few people have adverse reactions like I did. But yes, I can understand with you already on prednisone and asacol how you wouldn't want to add to the list.

Yes, I get very obvious die off reactions. And like I said, when I took the diflucan, puffiness in my face I didn't even realize was there suddenly went away. I have checkbones again.

You might be interested to read Gini Patel Thompson's book Listen to Your Gut. She talks about incorporating all different types of healing approaches into a protocol that works for YOU.
Posted 8/24/2007 4:33 PM (GMT -8)
Hi Princesa,

That's correct, I've tried the Nystatin before when I wasn't on a diet. I'm ordering it again since I'm a month into this diet now. If you do research on dividing yeast and fungus build up you can see the scary things it can do. They belive yeast has alot more to do with Cancer now more so tha never. Nobody should avoid it and ignore it if a lab confirms they have any sort of infectious yeast as someone said in another thread.

I've had alot of help from kim on these boards through emailing her. I'm not sure why Nystatin is hurting you so much, it doesn't get absorbed it attacks the walls of the yeast and breaks it down. Perhaps that's what it was doing for you? Not sure really. Have you confirmed you have yeast? I did the parasitetesting.com they've found everything to be ok except for me having dividing yeast (which is bad, nomatter what a certain someone says, just google it).

If you can confirm it, it would probably be better, however if you want the anti-yeast diet plan I can provide you with it. It was tough for the first couple of weeks but im used to it now and I feel good and it's helped cut down on alot of my symptoms and trips to the restroom and urgency. I'm waiting for the Nystatin to come in again to maybe be more effective than me eating sugars and such while taking it.

I've found that 1,200MG of Caprylic Acid (from Swanson Vitamins) 3 times a day is working out pretty well.

I've always listened to people on these forums saying diet does nothing, because I loved my foods. I was ignorant and never tried it. Now knowing I have dividing yeast and and been on the diet for a month now I'm really ashamed of myself. I've never been in remission for the 7 years I've had this disease.

Also, since last August I stopped all my meds and started on LDN (low dose naltrexone) I've noticed huge improvements but was still going to the bathroom alot and not formed stools. I think the LDN has hlped with the auto-immune part of my disease and in that 6-7 years the bad shape of my colon allowed that dividing yeast/fungus to grow so now if I get rid of that I really hope to be ok. We'll find out..

Edit: Oh, and the lab lets you know if it is Candida or dividing yeast or whatever else. They did not find any Candida type yeast.

Post Edited (Eric704) : 8/24/2007 7:00:57 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/24/2007 7:34 PM (GMT -8)
I, too, have been able to get the number of BMs under control via anti-fungal diet(with Kim's help). Instead of Caprylic Acid, I have been taking 1000mg of Olive Leaf Extract 4 times a day..with no yeast-based products, no pasta, bread, sugar, no dairy, no fruits, etc. First week was tough but then I was fine. I have reduced from 8+ BMs to average of 3 or less..almost always in the morning.

I have slowly started to introduce some new foods, such as quinoa, brown rice, rice cakes, pita bread, tortilla, etc. I am not out of the woods yet but making slow progress.

During my last visit to GI, he wanted me to start taking Remicade. But agreed to let me give diet a try..

What seems to be working for me may not work for you.
Posted 8/25/2007 7:02 AM (GMT -8)
Candida is definitely part of my problem and I've been fighting it off and on for years. Whenever I get lax with my diet, it flares up again. I have all the classic symptoms and score high on the candida quiz. I've read several books on the subject, have reviewed numerous Web sites and have seen two different doctors. I know alot about it; I'm just always interested to hear what other folks are doing. Thanks for the input.
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