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dentinn
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   Posted 10/1/2007 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi everyone... Could someone tell me exactly what Bee Propolis is or does and how it helps UC?  Any success stories?
dx mild chronic proctitis 3/07
 Rx's:
- Rowasa 1 nightly
-Doxycycline 100mg one pill every other day
-Zoloft 100 mg
-Xanax .5mg as needed
 Non Rx: -Centrum multi-vitamin
-Chromium piclonate -Vitamin C-Calcium-B-12
 


Red_34
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   Posted 10/1/2007 6:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Bee Propolis is the by product of bees. It's been a while since I've read the info on this but it's what the bees produce to keep infections out of the hive. It has natural anti-inflammatory and anti-biotic properties and has shown to help significantly in people with Uc. Though of course, it doesn't work for everyone just like anything else but if you're not allergic to bees then I would recommend you give it a go. I tried it a few years ago and it put me in remission. I stopped it because I thought I didn't need it anymore, ended up flaring, tried it again and it wasn't as effective. I think if I would've stayed with it, it might've still be helping me today. But I am a big fan of Bee Propolis regardless.
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dentinn
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   Posted 10/1/2007 6:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Red_34! I just ordered the 500mg pills. How many did you take per day and how long before it put you into remission? Were you on any Rxs at the time of the Bee Propolis?
dx mild chronic proctitis 3/07
 Rx's:
- Rowasa 1 nightly
-Doxycycline 100mg one pill every other day
-Zoloft 100 mg
-Xanax .5mg as needed
 Non Rx: -Centrum multi-vitamin
-Chromium piclonate -Vitamin C-Calcium-B-12
 


pb4
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   Posted 10/1/2007 8:02 PM (GMT -7)   
I've been using it for almost 5 yrs now, everyday, faithfully, it stopped ALL my bleeding, pain, and cut back on my daily bowel movements and cut the mucus I had way back too...I've added other things to my regime along with my bee propolis like, omegas 3-6-9, probiotics and fibre supplements, with this combination I now go 5 or less times a day with formed BM's.

google bee propolis to get all the details of it's benefits, my GI even encourages me to stick with it, he said even if it didn't help with my symptoms as it has, that it's still an excellent dietary supplement for IBDers.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


dentinn
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   Posted 10/1/2007 8:05 PM (GMT -7)   
That is very encouraging pb4 and thank you for the reply. So how long did it take for everything to stop? Are you on an RX meidcation?
March of 07 ds mild chronic proctitis
-Rowasa/Sulfasalzine/hydrocortisone supossitories twice daily... did put into remission then I stopped and now it's coming back : ( 10/1/07
-Zoloft 100 mg
-Xanax .5mg as needed
 Non Rx: -Centrum multi-vitamin
-Chromium piclonate -Vitamin C-Calcium-B-12
 


NIcepeter
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   Posted 10/1/2007 8:59 PM (GMT -7)   
It helped me significantly after used for 1-2 weeks. I had to stop it because of itchiness and pain at my lower abdomen area. I am worried about possible negative effects on kidney because of itchiness and pain. If I want to continue it, I need monitor my BMP and urine analysis closely for a peace of mind. Peter

pb4
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   Posted 10/1/2007 9:16 PM (GMT -7)   
For me I noticed improvements within the second day of using it...

I'm not on alny oral RX for my crohns-colitis because I'm either allergic or non-responsive to them...that's why I had to put my skepticism aside and go the natural route, I'm grateful that it's helped me as much as it has, my combination works well for me, 5 or less times a day with no pain, no bleeding and formed BM's is better then 30X a day with tons of blood, painful bowel movements (had me in tears every singel trip to the can) and not very formed stools...

I find it more affordable with the products that I take compared to the price of just asacol alone (which I'm severely allergic to) and the other great thing, no nasty side effects from the natural therapy I take.

I also eat very healthy (no processed foods/beverages, fast-foods, refined sugar, ect) drink tons of water and some chamomile tea daily and exercise regularly.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


pb4
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   Posted 10/1/2007 9:38 PM (GMT -7)   
NIcepeter :)

Here's more in depth info on propolis....

Bees create propolis by collecting a resinous sap from trees and then mixing it with wax back at the hive. They use this material much the way people use caulk: to seal their homes. Chemically, propolis is exceedingly complex and contains a rich variety of potent terpenes and benzoic, caffeic, cinnamic,and phenolic acids. It's also high in flavonoids, which by themselves may account for many of the benefits attributed to propolis-and some researchers refer to propolis as a type of flavonoid.


One of the most significant medical journal articles described how the caffeic acids in propolis and honey might prevent colon cancer, which kills some 60,000 Americans each year. Chinthalapally V. Rao, Ph.D., of the American health Foundation, Valhalla, N.Y., reported in Cancer Research (Sept.15,1993; 53:1482-88) that these caffeic acids prevented the formation of precancerous tissue in rats after they were exposed to cancer-causing chemicals.


Most medical articles, however, still point to the value of propolis as a powerful, natural antibiotic. That doesn't mean eating propolis will let you throw away your antibiotics - only that you may not need them quite as often.


Why would bees need substances with broad antibacterial and antiviral properties? Any beekeeper will tell you the answer. Bees are very susceptible to bacterial and viral infections, which can destroy hives the way the bubonic plague ravaged Europe in the 17th century.


Two medical journal articles document the activity of propolis specifically against Staphylococcus aureus, the bacterium that causes dangerous and often deadly surgical infections, blood poisoning, and a type of pneumonia. Five to 10 percent of all patients hospitalized in the United States develop such infections, and S. aureus has become resistant to all but one pharmaceutical antibiotic.


In a Chinese study, researchers found that extracts of propolis - specifically, sinapic, isoferulic, and caffeic acids - inhibited the growth of S. aureus (Qiao Z, China Journal of Chinese Materi Medica, Aug. 1991;16:481-2). A European study reported that ethanol extracts from propolis had a "marked synergistic effect" on the anti-staph activity of two antibiotics, streptomycin and cloxacillin, and a moderate effect on several others (Krol W, Arzneimittel-Forschung, May 1993;43:607-9).


Another scientific investigation discovered that propolis inhibited the activity of several streptococcal bacteria species that cause dental caries.Japanese researchers reported that propolis-fed laboratory fats had far fewer caries than those given a regular diet. Propolis protected specifically against Streptococcus mutans and several other strep species (Ikeno K, Caries research, 1991;25:347-51). These strep species are closely related to the germ that causes strep throat.


Propolis works against bacteria in several ways. One study reported that it prevented bacterial cell division and also broke down bacterial walls and cytoplasm, which is how some prescription antibiotics work (Takaisi-KikuniNB, Planta Medica, June 1994;60:222-7).


Perhaps more remarkable is that propolis acts against viruses, which antibiotics do not. A number of medical journal reports have discussed the role of propolisin fighting upper respiratory infections, such as those caused by the common cold and influenza viruses (Focht J, Arzneimittel-Forschung, Aug. 1993;43:921-3). Other investigators have reported that the cinnamic acid extracts of propolis prevent viruses from reproducing, but they worked best when used during the entire infection (Serkedjieva J, Journal of Natural Products, March 1992;55:294-302).


Underpinning many of the benefits of propolis is that some of its components,like the flavonoids and ethanols, function as antioxidant free-radical scavengers. A study published in the Journal of Ethnopharmacology (Jan. 1994;21:9-13)noted that some of the antioxidant phenols in propolis functioned similarly to vitamin E. In another article, researchers described that propolis had anti-inflammatory properties and that it could also prevent blood clots(Drugs Under Experimental & Clinical Research, 1993; 19:197-203).


Honey


Six medical journal articles over the past three years have also described the antibiotic properties of honey. A physician at the medical college in Maharashtra, India, recently explored the use of honey-soaked gauze to treat burn patients. The 40 patients treated with honey healed in about half the time - and with half the scar tissue - compared with patients treated by other means. (Subrahmanyam M, Burns, Aug. 1994;20:331-3).


A team of researchers from the department of surgery, University Teaching Hospital, Nigeria, reported that unprocessed honey "inhibited most of the fungi and bacteria" causing surgical and wound infections. In a remarkable conclusion in the journal Infection (Jul.- Aug. 1992;20:227-9),Dr. S. E. Efem and his colleagues wrote, "Honey is thus an ideal topical wound dressing agent in surgical infections, burns and wound infections."


Perhaps most remarkable is the effect of honey on Helicobacter pylori, the bacterium now known to cause gastric ulcers. Because honey has long been a folk remedy for dyspepsia, or stomach upset, a team of researchers from the University of Waikato, New Zealand, tested whether honey would have any benefit. Within three days, honey stopped the growth of H. pylori colonies obtained from patients.


Royal Jelly


Highly touted royal jelly, fed to the debutante larvae that grow into queen bees, contains a powerful antibacterial protein that Japanese researchers discovered and named royalisin. Rich in amino acids, royalisin is primarily effective against "Gram-positive" bacteria, which include staph and strep species (Fujiwara S, Journal of Biological Chemistry, July 5,1990;265:11333-7).


Like propolis, royal jelly also appears to have anti-tumor properties. Another team of Japanese researchers gave royal jelly to one of two groups of laboratory mice before transplanting different types of cancer cells in them. The royal jelly had no effect on the leukemia cells, but it had dramatic effects on sarcoma cells. The lifespan of the mice was extended by about one-fifth and tumor sizes were about half the size, compared with untreated mice,according to a report in the journal Nippon Yakurigaku Zasshji-Folia Pharmacologica Japonica (Feb. 1987;89:73-80).


In sum, we could learn a lesson from bees that eat honey and royal jelly, and seal their hives with propolis. By eating these bee products, we can preventively "innoculate" ourselves against many bacterial and viral infections - and maybe even reduce our risk of developing cancer.


So, in light of the scientific evidence, next time you hear someone ridicule bee propolis, royal jelly, and other products, just tell them to "buzz off."


:)
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dentinn
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   Posted 10/1/2007 9:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Thats a great article pb4! So have your symptoms completely stop? That's amazing! I hope it will work for my proctitis! So I should take 2 bee prop per day and how many pro biotics per day? Is it ok to take a multi vitamin? Thanks!
March of 07 ds mild chronic proctitis
-Rowasa/Sulfasalzine/hydrocortisone supossitories twice daily... did put into remission then I stopped and now it's coming back : ( 10/1/07
-Zoloft 100 mg
-Xanax .5mg as needed
 Non Rx: -Centrum multi-vitamin
-Chromium piclonate -Vitamin C-Calcium-B-12
 


Burli
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   Posted 10/1/2007 9:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Your doctor should know you're taking bee propolis.
 
Bee propolis is collected by bees in an uncontrolled environment. The bees collect propolis from local flowers so the composition is dependent on the season, type of bees, location, and surrounding plants.
 
The "active ingredient" for anti-inflammatory and immunomodulatory properties is most likely caffeic acid (propolis also contains sinapic acid, isoferulic acid, and chrysin). The amount of caffeic acid is strongly dependent on the plant species. So you're possibly taking something similar to a pharmaceutical anti-infammatory and immunomodulatory only without the benefit of knowing an accurate dose and without proper bloodwork.
 
My point is, yes, it's "natural". Just because it comes from bees doesn't mean you can take it without your GI's approval. It also doesn't mean it will have less severe long term side effects than prescription medications.
 
"Bee" careful.
 


Red_34
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   Posted 10/2/2007 3:54 AM (GMT -7)   
I was recently switched to Colazal when I started taking Bee Propolis, so it might've been a combination of the two but I did start to flare once I stopped the B/p. When I started, I was on 650mgs (bought at a health food store) taken 3 times a day. It stopped all my symptoms. I had no bleeding, no D, no pain.....nada. It was bliss, but then I had to mess it up and get too confident and stopped :(
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Left sided Uc -'92 - Colazal, Canasa, 6mp, Prilosec, Biotin, Forvia
Secondary Reynauds Syndrome - '04 - Norvasc
Fibromyalgia - '06 
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pb4
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   Posted 10/2/2007 11:04 AM (GMT -7)   
dentinn said...
Thats a great article pb4! So have your symptoms completely stop? That's amazing! I hope it will work for my proctitis! So I should take 2 bee prop per day and how many pro biotics per day? Is it ok to take a multi vitamin? Thanks!

My symptoms have not completely stopped as far as frequency, but like I said, 5 or less times a day is better then 30...that being said, also remember it wasn't the bee propolis alone that brought me down from 30 to 5, it was adding in the other things I take, probiotics, omegas 3-6-9, stool bulker (fibre therapy), it's this combination that brought me down to 5 basically.
 
I am not in full remission but I will take what I can get.
 
Like I also mentioned, my GI is thrilled that it's helped me so much, and encourages me to continue with it especially since it is 100% non-toxic, but it's always a good idea you run it past your GI as well...mine said it wouldn't interfer with IBD meds, he even put me on a round of pred with the propolis in the hopes that it would kick me into full remission...all I did was gain weight because of the pred, it no longer helps me like it used to which is why I went the alternative route.
 
:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


Burli
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   Posted 10/2/2007 4:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Bee Propolis--I'm just not sure what to think about it but I'm leary after trying it and not getting results. Still, I want to think it has some merrit and want to believe it's better for me than other medications...but...

What does "100% non-toxic" mean. Does that mean that it's been tested in humans to the full extent and does not cause any problems? I've not found those studies. I'm also not sure what that means when sellers of these products brag about "all natural" because being "all natural" isn't always the better.

Plus, no studies that I've found have been conducted on humans--almost all, except the rat one, were accomplished in test tubes and petri dishes. Here, researchers spread propolis on certain bacteria, fungi, cancer cells, etc. to see if there is a change in growth or not. If the growth rate slows then some conclude this would benefit humans. This is a good first step but conclusions about what would occur in humans cannot be drawn from them.

I've also read that long term ingestion of bee propolis has been shown to cause allergic response "sensitivity" in humans. Similar that being exposed to poison ivy can eventually cause people to develop an allergy to it, ingesting bee propolis can eventually (according to my readings) cause one to become allergic to royal jelly, bee propolis, bee stings, etc.

I'm not suggesting it's harmful only that it's something to ask your doctor about.
 


dentinn
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   Posted 10/2/2007 5:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Well I bought Bee Propolis and a Pro Biotic today! I know it will work! : ) I will keep you guys posted!
March of 07 ds mild chronic proctitis
-Rowasa/Sulfasalzine/hydrocortisone supossitories twice daily... did put into remission then I stopped and now it's coming back : ( 10/1/07
-Zoloft 100 mg
-Xanax .5mg as needed
 Non Rx: -Centrum multi-vitamin
-Chromium piclonate -Vitamin C-Calcium-B-12
 


pb4
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   Posted 10/2/2007 7:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Being 100% non-toxic means it gets flushed out of your system, nothing gets left behind (no build up so it's non-toxic) and it's a very small percentage of a chance of getting allergies or contact dermatitis from long term use of it...like I said, I've been using it for 5 yrs straight and no problems in either of those regards or any other, my GI thinks it's fantastic, because of the fact that it is 100% non-toxic, because it's an excellent dietary supplement for people who don't get enough nutrients via food alone and he also said because it's helped me so much.

Of course what works for some doesn't work for all unfortunately, but also as I mentioned a combination of things usually helps more then just one thing.

dentinn :)

Honestly it's always best to start one new thing at a time, personally I would start with the probiotics for at least 3 weeks before adding the bee propolis, just as a precauction and so you are able to tell more easily which is helping and in what way.

And keep in mind, how long before something starts to work varies from person to person as well.

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NIcepeter
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   Posted 10/2/2007 10:19 PM (GMT -7)   
pb4 missed my points. I acknowledge bee propolis is very effective for some people like me. But you can't denies its side effects on people like me. I agree you had a lot of good points. Thanks Peter
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