Enzymedica- Bio-Pro recommended

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therearemiracles Veteran Member Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 3590	Posted 10/2/2007 9:28 AM (GMT -6)
	Hi All, Dookie recommended this last week and urged us all to try it. I have a good report. I have been taking one capsule before bedtime for since Friday night of last week. Sat I had a attack, where I was in the bathroom for a hour at Rite Aid. I contribute that to the chix pot pie for lunch and pizza for dinner...too rich for me and I know better. HOWEVER STARTING SATURDAY NIGHT, Sunday night, Monday night too I have had formed stool in the morning, not like the mush I have been experiencing. My formed stool do come with a little liquid, but no blood and I haven't done rectal meds in 2 days. My stools are round balls, but not constipation. I'm using the bathroom only once in the morning. I'm taking only 3-4 colozal a day now too. So far so good. Truthfully, my stools only changed after starting this probiotic. Remember I'm taking supplements from a Natural path in addition to my medication. My stools were complete mush. They have only changed since taking this probiotic. I'm amazed. In addition to the formed stool, I haven't had any urgency. I'm not thinking about my butt so much either. I will keep you posted in a week, I'm heading to Florida until next week Tuesday. I will take my bio-pro with me. When I ordered off the enzymedica website, I received 3 DVD about digestive enzyme, which I already have by there company, Digest Gold. I have heard of these products before, I only tried the digestive enzyme not the probiotics. Funny thing is, my girlfriend came over last week and spent the night and she too was taking the same kind. What's good about the probiotics, is they don't have to be refrigerated. Talk to you soon, thanks dookie, things are looking up. I had the Rocephin shot and 2 weeks of Omnicef, this helped with my bloating and digestion. That was 4/15/07 Had Cipro and Predison for 10 & 5 days, 7/3/07 Colonoscopy & Endoscopy 7/27, Left sided colitis and near cecum (mild) Had a shot of steriods for my ear inflammation 8/31 Stopped Colozal 9/11/07 started back 9/16 symptoms came back, canasa at night On Standard Process supplements, trying a new protocal from a natural path as of 9/10/07 Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/2/2007 11:19 AM (GMT -6)
	I started yesterday as well.. We'll see.. :) I would NOT rush right out and get these... Wait for the results. Some of you are on so much medication how would you know if it was this that helped..? Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Post Edited (Harpo) : 10/2/2007 11:22:01 AM (GMT-6) Back to Top

dakotagirl Veteran Member Date Joined Apr 2006 Total Posts : 3402	Posted 10/2/2007 12:37 PM (GMT -6)
	Glad to hear things are looking up for you! I'll be waiting for the next update :) Pan-colitis and GERD diagnosed May 2003 Asacol 12 per day, Azathioprine 75mg, Rowasa and Canasa as needed Aciphex, Effexor XR, BCP, Rhinocort nasal spray Culturelle, Biotin, Folic Acid, Forvia, Calcium, and B12 Osteopenia (hip and spine) from prednisone use. Started Azathioprine because I was steroid dependent. Co-Mod for the UC forum Keep HealingWell running smoothly: www.healingwell.com/donate Back to Top

barnsbury Regular Member Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 469	Posted 10/2/2007 1:47 PM (GMT -6)
	What is this please? I have never heard of it. Is it better than VLS#3? I tried that and it did nothing. Where can I get it? Thanks Back on Pred - 8mg - Steroid Dependent :-( Azathioprine 150mg Actonel 35mg Predfoam Enema VSL #3 with Activia Yoghurt EPA Fish Oils Various Homeopathic meds ~~Asacol x 9~~ ~~Remicade every 8 weeks~~ (Stopped working) ~~Aloe Vera Lily of the Desert Juice~~ Gave me the worst D ! ~~Primadophilus Reuteri Probiotic~~ ~~Prograf Tacrolimus 4mg~~ Back to Top

therearemiracles Veteran Member Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 3590	Posted 10/2/2007 1:50 PM (GMT -6)
	I too, tried VSL#3 and it did nothing for me. This is by enzymedica and it's a probiotic. You can go to www.enzymedica.com and order. I had the Rocephin shot and 2 weeks of Omnicef, this helped with my bloating and digestion. That was 4/15/07 Had Cipro and Predison for 10 & 5 days, 7/3/07 Colonoscopy & Endoscopy 7/27, Left sided colitis and near cecum (mild) Had a shot of steriods for my ear inflammation 8/31 Stopped Colozal 9/11/07 started back 9/16 symptoms came back, canasa at night On Standard Process supplements, trying a new protocal from a natural path as of 9/10/07 Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/2/2007 4:48 PM (GMT -6)
	I havent seen anybody saying VSL 3 has helped them.. I just see it in peoples sigs with 10 other medicines.. Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Back to Top

SnookieBow Regular Member Date Joined Mar 2007 Total Posts : 81	Posted 10/2/2007 8:41 PM (GMT -6)
	I was kinda wondering what happened to the the other post on the Bio-Pro. Well I bought some on Saturday. I have taken 3 pills. I understand what Harpo is saying. Yes, I am taking a lot of supplements so it may be difficult to say what is really helping. I have taken a step backwards. I was bad. Monday I had a Reese's Peanut Butter cup. Today I didn't get my morning supplements because a deer decided to hurdle my car and stuck his hooves through my driver side passenger door shattering the window. My kids were sprayed with glass and had a lot of small cuts. We ended up calling 911 and going to the hospital to make sure they didn't have glass in their eyes, mouths, and ears. TALK about STRESS! After we showered the kids, picked up the car, cleaned it out and took the two oldest to school, I started having left and right side pain. about an hour ago I had some mucous and blood. Ugh! I'll update next week on how the Bio-Pro is going. Praying for a better day tomorrow. Snookiebow First flare: August 2006, diagnosed September 2006- Dipentum and Entocort September and October 2006- now trying Asacol Garden Of Life: Primal Defense, Digestive Enzyme, and FYI Glutamine Caps, DHEA, , vitamin E, Capryl, Turmeric & Bromelain Omega 3- Fish oil, Biotin, Cal-Gel Vitamin E enema & occasional Rowasa enema AloeVera juice Back to Top

Eric704 Regular Member Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 261	Posted 10/8/2007 4:46 AM (GMT -6)
	Any updates with you guys? Big difference.. little..... none? Back to Top

Red_34 Forum Moderator Date Joined Apr 2004 Total Posts : 23551	Posted 10/8/2007 5:05 AM (GMT -6)
	Oh no Snookiebow! I am so glad that nothing more serious happened to you and the kids from the deer. I've heard some real horror stories about those kind of incidences. That definately can be stressful. ^{@--->--SHERRY--<---@} ^{Left sided Uc -'92 - Colazal, Canasa, 6mp, Prilosec, Biotin, Forvia} ^{Secondary Reynauds Syndrome - '04 - Norvasc} ^{Fibromyalgia - '06} ^{PLEASE HELP HEALINGWELL CONTINUE TO HELP OTHERS BY CLICKING HERE: DONATE} ^{@--->--Moderator for Allergies/Asthma and Co-moderator for UC--<---@} http://www.myspace.com/82595818 Back to Top

Burli Veteran Member Date Joined May 2003 Total Posts : 1251	Posted 10/8/2007 7:05 AM (GMT -6)
	Harpo, My sister is helped by VSL#3. Her husband (MD) suggested she and I both try it--he's a family practioner and read about the studies in a medical journal. He's a smart man. My sister was steriod dependant (couldn't get off of 10 mg a day) and was also taking Colazal. She was helped with the VSL#3 and is urging me to start it again. She's now off all other medications and is regular. I tried it while in major flare and very sick. I was also on Remicade, 70 mg steriods, rectal meds and Colazal so I wouldn't have known what was working if it helped. Finally, either the Remicade and/or Imuran got me into remission. I am starting other probiotics now and will give VSL#3 another go to try to stay into remission. I'm on Imuran and Colazal. My sister is sold on it if that means anything. Back to Top

Eric704 Regular Member Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 261	Posted 10/8/2007 7:13 AM (GMT -6)
	Burli said... Harpo, My sister is helped by VSL#3. Her husband (MD) suggested she and I both try it--he's a family practioner and read about the studies in a medical journal. He's a smart man. My sister was steriod dependant (couldn't get off of 10 mg a day) and was also taking Colazal. She was helped with the VSL#3 and is urging me to start it again. She's now off all other medications and is regular. I tried it while in major flare and very sick. I was also on Remicade, 70 mg steriods, rectal meds and Colazal so I wouldn't have known what was working if it helped. Finally, either the Remicade and/or Imuran got me into remission. I am starting other probiotics now and will give VSL#3 another go to try to stay into remission. I'm on Imuran and Colazal. My sister is sold on it if that means anything. I've tried it, it did nothing. It's just overpriced probiotics to me. Back to Top

Burli Veteran Member Date Joined May 2003 Total Posts : 1251	Posted 10/8/2007 7:46 AM (GMT -6)
	Eric704, Thinking it was also over-priced I asked my local compound pharmacist to provide me an equivalent probiotic. He said that it would cost him too much to make what VSL#3 provides. What most people (like me) miss is that the potency of the VSL#3 is magnitudes higher than other brands I've seen. One packet of VSL#3 contains about 450 billion live cfu (that's equal to a whole 90 pill bottle of a product that has a potency of 5 billion cfu). Is VSL#3 overpriced, probably. However, find us something less expensive per cfu. Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/8/2007 2:16 PM (GMT -6)
	Eric704 said... Any updates with you guys? Big difference.. little..... none? I guess i feel better... its only been 5 days though.. No blood, and one restroom trip a day.. The verdicts still out for me.. Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Back to Top

Eric704 Regular Member Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 261	Posted 10/8/2007 10:05 PM (GMT -6)
	Burli said... Eric704, Thinking it was also over-priced I asked my local compound pharmacist to provide me an equivalent probiotic. He said that it would cost him too much to make what VSL#3 provides. What most people (like me) miss is that the potency of the VSL#3 is magnitudes higher than other brands I've seen. One packet of VSL#3 contains about 450 billion live cfu (that's equal to a whole 90 pill bottle of a product that has a potency of 5 billion cfu). Is VSL#3 overpriced, probably. However, find us something less expensive per cfu. I honestly don't care if it's 800 trillion count. If it does nothing it does nothing. Back to Top

therearemiracles Veteran Member Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 3590	Posted 10/9/2007 8:17 AM (GMT -6)
	I'm back from Florida and have been off my medication (colozal and canasa) for 7 days now. I've been on Pro-Bio for 12 days. When I started Pro-Bio my bleeding stopped. I don't have any blood. I still have urgency and diarreah, both are ok to live with for now. I met with my NP (natrualpath) yesterday, it's been one month on his supplements. I had my doses changed, but not the supplements themselves. For me, he says it's a bacteria that is giving me the UC symptoms. I know that Pro-Bio has helped 100%.I felt the difference right away! My NP approves of me taking the Pro-Bio. I'm sticking with the NP b/c he swears b/c of the alfalfa sprouts I ate and got so deathly sick on that I ate someone's poop basically and we're killing a ecoli strain in my gut. This doctor has been referred to me 4 different times by 4 differernt people. He councels Red Wing hockey players and other "stars". That doesn't matter, I'm just letting you know that he has a wide arrange of clients that comes to him. He's been in practice for 28 years. He's a Doctor of Chiropractic and Naturalpath. I'm not plugging him, but I wanted to let you know I've gone farther with him in one month than with Dr. Dahlman over a year and I didn't have to change my diet; no glute and no dairy is what I'm referring to. I haven't even done a blood test or allergy test, bacteria test or yeast, or parasite which I did with Dr. Dahlman and it was very, very, very, very expensive!!! Being on no medication, I feel good. Trust me it was hard to quit, I did it on my own at no recommedations of any others. I have a lot of energy and the dizzyness has subsided greatly. I will post again in one month that will be my second appt with my NP Doctor, it will be 60 days since being on his supplements. I had the Rocephin shot and 2 weeks of Omnicef, this helped with my bloating and digestion. That was 4/15/07 Had Cipro and Predison for 10 & 5 days, 7/3/07 Colonoscopy & Endoscopy 7/27, Left sided colitis and near cecum (mild) Had a shot of steriods for my ear inflammation 8/31 Stopped Colozal 9/11/07 started back 9/16 symptoms came back, canasa at night On Standard Process supplements, trying a new protocal from a natural path as of 9/10/07 Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/9/2007 9:16 AM (GMT -6)
	How many times a day do you use the bathroom? Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Back to Top

therearemiracles Veteran Member Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 3590	Posted 10/9/2007 10:16 AM (GMT -6)
	Stool will be once in the morning, followed by after eating breakfast, lunch and dinner diarreah (not a lot) or maybe whitish liquid. Sorry to be graphic. My doc says the whitish is infection coming out. He also said taking immodium hold in the bacteria. I know a lot of people only go to MD's, I'm open to both, so what I may write some folks might not agree with, I'm justing sharing what I'm experiencing with my doctors. I had the Rocephin shot and 2 weeks of Omnicef, this helped with my bloating and digestion. That was 4/15/07 Had Cipro and Predison for 10 & 5 days, 7/3/07 Colonoscopy & Endoscopy 7/27, Left sided colitis and near cecum (mild) Had a shot of steriods for my ear inflammation 8/31 Stopped Colozal 9/11/07 started back 9/16 symptoms came back, canasa at night On Standard Process supplements, trying a new protocal from a natural path as of 9/10/07 Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/9/2007 12:04 PM (GMT -6)
	So 4-5 White diarrheas... Doesnt sound like your over anything.. respectfully. Also, You call this guy a "doc" Is he an MD or a self proclaimed doctor..? Doctor Bobby.. Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Back to Top

therearemiracles Veteran Member Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 3590	Posted 10/9/2007 12:37 PM (GMT -6)
	Acutually his card reads D.C., N.D., Ph.D Every day though I'm seeing improvement. I ate lunch 2 hours ago and have not gone to the bathroom. One day at time. I'm willing most things and this has help. Being on the medicine I was having bloody diarreah, tiredness, weakness and dizzyness plus the dry skin patch on my face. What really is worse the side effects or being off meds, no blood, and dealing with a little diarreah. I had the Rocephin shot and 2 weeks of Omnicef, this helped with my bloating and digestion. That was 4/15/07 Had Cipro and Predison for 10 & 5 days, 7/3/07 Colonoscopy & Endoscopy 7/27, Left sided colitis and near cecum (mild) Had a shot of steriods for my ear inflammation 8/31 Stopped Colozal 9/11/07 started back 9/16 symptoms came back, canasa at night On Standard Process supplements, trying a new protocal from a natural path as of 9/10/07 Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/9/2007 12:39 PM (GMT -6)
	He's not an MD though... be careful. You can have a PHD in custodial engineering (being a janitor) if the local community college offers it.. Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Back to Top

therearemiracles Veteran Member Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 3590	Posted 10/9/2007 2:08 PM (GMT -6)
	I loves me some Harpo! I had the Rocephin shot and 2 weeks of Omnicef, this helped with my bloating and digestion. That was 4/15/07 Had Cipro and Predison for 10 & 5 days, 7/3/07 Colonoscopy & Endoscopy 7/27, Left sided colitis and near cecum (mild) Had a shot of steriods for my ear inflammation 8/31 Stopped Colozal 9/11/07 started back 9/16 symptoms came back, canasa at night On Standard Process supplements, trying a new protocal from a natural path as of 9/10/07 Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/9/2007 6:59 PM (GMT -6)
	Keep us posted and I'll do the same.. I went to the gym tonight.. So I must not feel too awful bad.. Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Back to Top

Sara14 Veteran Member Date Joined Mar 2007 Total Posts : 4061	Posted 10/9/2007 8:14 PM (GMT -6)
	Ever think maybe your D is white b/c of your "natural" supplements? I've never heard of pooping out white stuff as "infection coming out." Just a thought, but of course I'm not a doctor. It reminds me of the sleazy guy who does infomercials on tv for a colon cleanse that always brings up the myth that we all (presumably people w/o any bowel diseases) have pounds and pounds of poop backed up in our systems and when it all comes out after using his product we will have this black slimey stuff come out. Well, I've been totally cleaned out many times now and have never had black stuff come out, so I'm pretty convinced his product makes the stool black. Sorry...that guy just really annoys me! 23 years old Diagnosed with UC March 2007 Current inflamation in the rectum Asacol 4 tablets 3x/day Rowasa (generic) - nightly Nature's Way Primadophilus Reuteri 1/day; Chewable multivitamin; experimenting w/fiber supplements (Metamucil and Fiber Choice); Viactiv (Calcium and Vit. D) for Osteopenia Back to Top

Harpo Regular Member Date Joined Jul 2007 Total Posts : 262	Posted 10/11/2007 8:44 AM (GMT -6)
	Yep, I have some def. discomfort for today.. sharp pains under left rib.. Male 36yrs old. Indeterminate Colitis 6 yrs. Lialda 2 a day Protonix multi vitamin Back to Top

DanthaMan Regular Member Date Joined May 2005 Total Posts : 495	Posted 10/11/2007 2:31 PM (GMT -6)
	Results. The clinical activity, endoscopic and histological scores in the treatment group decreased significantly at 3-5 and 12 14 months after the end of treatment compared with those in the control group (p = 0.001-0.036). The remission rate in the treatment group was higher than that in the control group (p =0.037). It appears that 3-5 months after the treatment things where getting better. I am thinking that you might want to give it some more time. Back to Top

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