Jordan Rubin...Makers Diet

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CraigM
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   Posted 10/22/2007 1:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Has anyone tried his diet and Garden of Life Products?

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   Posted 10/22/2007 2:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Craig,

Welcome to HealingWell, it's a great site to offer and receive mutual personal support, but it is not the place to make accusations, such behaviour could cause problems for this site.

Take care.

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CraigM
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   Posted 10/22/2007 2:21 PM (GMT -7)   

Dave,

Not an accusation....a quick search on the net provides the facts that cannot be disputed. My point is, the work Mr. Rubin has done appears well researched. Why then would one need to attach bogus credentials to one's name?

 

 


kim123
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   Posted 10/22/2007 6:59 PM (GMT -7)   
I know of one on the CD site that he been "healed" by following his diet and advise. And, he was "this close" to an ostomy surgery. Now no symptoms. Gotta be something to it. Not saying he, or anyone else is without fault. Myself, I followed a similar diet (less strict, but I don't think I was even close to being as sick as he was) and am now healed...no drugs, no symptoms. Gotta monitor/limit the "forbidden" foods I eat, or I could get sick again :) No thank you.

CraigM
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   Posted 10/22/2007 9:50 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Kim,

I agree...Mr. Rubin's diet is excellent. Please, could you please post a link to the "CD" site?

Thank You,

Craig


SwollenColon
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   Posted 10/23/2007 7:52 AM (GMT -7)   
I've got the book, and was a patient of the GI doctor that contributed (Brasco). Worked great for 2 weeks, then it didn't. It's virtually impossible to follow the diet unless you (a)Have enough money to spend on the food (b)Have enough time to prepare and cook the food (c)Live relatively close to a store, or stores that stock this stuff. For the 4-6 weeks that I was on the diet, I did almost nothing but shop, cook and clean and I still stayed hungry all the time. The foods and recipes are so low in calories that I never gained any weight, and was basically hungry 2-3 hours after I ate. There was pretty good protein content, and the carb/fat ratios seemed to be good, but calorie content was low (it's basically meats/fruits/vegetables and you have to eat a ton of that stuff to hit 3000 calories/day) The GOL supplements aren't any better than any of the other stuff out there.....nothing miraculous about any of them. Rubin has also been heavily fined for making false claims, and he stars in a religious TV informercial that pushes his relatively expensive products. I've always questioned the "illness" that Rubin claims to have had.

Edit.....the book I'm referring to is entitled "Guts and Glory". I have "The Makers Diet" book as well (got it free), but I followed the diet in "Guts and Glory"

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suebear
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   Posted 10/23/2007 8:00 AM (GMT -7)   
You can read more about Jordon Rubin at www.quackwatch.com and creating a search by his name. He has been sued several times for making false and misleading claims in regard to health products.

Sue
dx proctitis in 1987
dx UC in 1991, was stable until 1998
1998 started prednisone, asacol, pentasa, nortriptylene, ativan, 6MP, rowasa enemas and suppositories, hydrocortisone enemas, tried the SCD diet, being a vegetarian, omega 3s, flax, pranic healing, yoga, acupuncture, probiotics
2000 lost all my B-12 stores and became anemic
2001 opted for j-pouch surgery- now living life med-free
 


quincy
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   Posted 10/23/2007 11:03 AM (GMT -7)   
One good thing....at least people are EATING. An improvement from what many do on their own believing that starving themselves or doing a complete liquid diet is going to help.

Desperation leaves one vulnerable, and it's difficult to not believe that food is a cause of flares. One cannot ignore the emotional and mental aspect of having a plan laid out. What part of it actually works? I think it's difficult to actually pin down.

q


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~diagnosed January 1989 UC (proctosigmoiditis)
~5ASA: Asacol + Salofalk enemas (increase for flares tapered to maintenance)
~Bentylol (dicyclomine) 20mg as needed
~vitamins/minerals 
~Probiotic 2 (Natural Factors Protec) + 1 (Primadophilus Reuteri) at bedtime
~Natural Factors Multi Digestive Enzymes with supper
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SwollenColon
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   Posted 10/23/2007 1:56 PM (GMT -7)   
The book I have categorizes foods into good bad and ugly. As you can guess there's very little in the good category. The basic jist of the plan is to eliminate all possibilities of toxins in food. So, basically you have to become a farmer and cattle raiser. Grass fed and free range meats, and organic fruits and veggies, and a mints worth of GOL supplements.

kim123
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   Posted 10/23/2007 4:17 PM (GMT -7)   

Again, I don't necessarily support any of those guys out there. Some of those guys are over the top. For me, it was try to find something that worked...for me...and I didn't care who gave me the information, as long as it made logical sense, and I didn't have to pay a lot of money. So, after researching on my own, I decided to follow an antifungal diet (UC symptoms can have a fungal etiology) after reading and hearing others' success stories and learning a little of the science behind it. (more can be read on knowthecause.com if you are really interested. Diet is under FAQ section on home page)

It did not cost me any more than buying meat/fish/poultry, most veggies and certain fruits to begin. I didn't really pay attention to the "organic" labels either. Yeah, you miss the sugar and processed foods, the convenience of opening a box or can, but when I started feeling so much better, I never wanted to look back. I have become adept at becoming creative with my meals and desserts. I am still human and go on my binges of brownies and potato chips! I also took, and still do take caprylic acid or olive leaf extract, less than 10 dollars for 2 months supply....cheaper than a co-pay for prescription drugs. Can I eat everything I want again? NO! I will always have to moderate the intake of sugar and other assorted goodies :), but I don't really crave it any more like I used to. I know too much of it can make me feel sick. I'm willing to trade it for better health. Again, that is my personal decision, and not I or anyone else can tell you what you are doing is wrong for you. But, perhaps if you are not getting better with what you have always been doing, maybe it is time to change, and try something different. Personally, I wouldn't spend a lot of money buying lots of others' products until I first experimented with something like changing my diet (and not just eliminating a food here and there for a few days). Dunno.........You have to do what you are comfortable with.

Kim


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   Posted 10/23/2007 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Several years back when in a very severe flare, I decided to finally forgo my very sceptical attitude towards all of Rubin's "hype." I mean, I found his story hard to believe, because he claimed he had gone to the end of the earth and back several times, trying to dive deeply into every healing regimen.

Well, it takes a year or two to do that minimally for any deep healing regimen, eg TCM (which I tried for over a year), and yet he says he tried dozens, all in the space of just a few years. Plus all these adverts (not just GoL's but other competitors who also sell so-called 'soil-based' or 'homestatic organism' probiotics) taut the mysterious claims about how the soil-based organisms had been secretly discovered by the ****s in North Africa for their troops during WW2 etc etc and yet I couldn't find anything on the internet to support this except repeated advertisements' claims.

Well, that hype without any Pubmed-based substance all made me very sceptical, but I felt I had little to lose so I went ahead and tried Rubin's 'Primal Defense' in that big flare and it definitely helped a little. No wonder cure, but it defintiely helped stabilize things enough so I know it helped. Nowadays I still use it as one of my mainstays, but I try and rotate around other high potency probiotics too (including some homemade yogurt).

As for The Maker's Diet, it is another variation of numerous diets that eliminate the massive doses of very sugary, and chemical-ridden junk that is present in the standard American diet. Simply eating only 'real' food as opposed to refined, processed foods and chemicals eliminates alot of irritating junk from our sensitive guts. I find and have long found that lowering the carb-level and getting rid of irritants helps. Perhaps the most awful out there is carageenan, used in many processed foods and also used on lab rats to INDUCE colitis. It shouldn't even be allowed in the food supply in my opinion. But I think there is some defintie scinetific merit in the idea that high carb foods can overly stimulate immune systems in those of us who are already with wacked out immune systems.

Anyway, while I am not happy with all of Rubin's extreme ommercialism, he does seem to have good quality control, and his Primal Defense is one of the few that maintains great shelf life even without any refrigeration.
Pancolitis dx'd 1986, full med-free remission 88-97
Flaring or simmering ever since
10 20 mg pred, 100 mg Imuran
Probiotics (mainly Primal Defense)
Turmeric/circumin, various vitamins/minerals,
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kim123
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   Posted 10/23/2007 4:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry Craig, I almost forgot your request...you can search the postings by "crazy harry" on the CD site. He has had much success with The Maker's Diet, and even got advice from Jordan in person. Maybe ask him your questions..........
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