Increasing Skips....Frustrated

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GN ICT
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   Posted 8/29/2010 1:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Everyone,
 
I have been battling a sudden onset of palps (the ones that have been picked up on ekg and holter monitor have been PACS) for a little over two months now.  In the beginning it really freaked me out.  In the last two months I have had a few EKG's done, an echo, blood work, a 24 hour holter monitor, and a treadmill test.  I have talked numerous times to my family doc who is awesome and to two cardiologists here in town.  I have been told from all three docs that my heart is structurally normal and in good working condition. 
 
Also, because of all this I have started seeing a therapist to try and get a hold of my anxiety and to learn how to stop worrying so much.  I have also started taking 50MG's of zoloft.  The other meds I take are 40MG of zocor, one 81mg aspirin a day (recommended by cardiologist), and have recently started taking metoprolol beta blocker....I take 1/2 a tablet in the morning and 1/2 at night...they are 25 mg tablets, so 12.5mg morning and night basically.  I also started taking 250MG of magnesium and drinking grape juice...I am desperate to try anything.  I have not had to rely on my Xanax much, so that is a good thing, I do think the zoloft is helping me.  But these things just won't go away.  Here are some things that I have noticed lately....can anyone please tell me if they relate???
 
1.  After I eat...pretty much anything at all, specifically lunch and dinner the skipped beats seem to be much more active.  They are active all day, probably at least one per minute but after eating they really seem to kick in.
 
2.  After eating, when the palps are at their highest I tend to have to burp a lot...this is weird though, it almost feels like I am making myself burp at times though to relieve air...does that make sense?  Burping doesn't make the skips go away, but it does relieve me for a second or two.
 
3.  When I lay down at night I can feel them, specifically when I lay on my back...even when I lay on my stomach.  I am able to fall asleep ok and the have never woke me up...however, when I do wake up in the morning I generally don't feel any while laying in bed...but as soon as I get out of bed it's like the palps also wake up and they are with me the rest of the day.
 
Also, here are some other concerns of mine.  I started taking the 12.5MG of the metroprolol a week ago, I didn't notice any side effects nor did I notice any changes in my skips.  So my doc told me to take 12.5 in the morning and 12.5 at night...I did that starting a couple days ago.  Yesterday I noticed I didn't have as many, but I have felt a weird sensation in my chest off and on yesterday and today.  After lunch, when I was feeling this sensation, I felt my pulse and I was skipping a beat (or getting an early beat) every 2 or 3 beats...it was like beat beat pause beat beat puse beat beat beat pause.  There was not any pain, shortness of breat, or feeling like I was going to pass out, I could just tell I had a weird sensation and that something was going on.  My pulse rate wasn't overly fast or anything.....faster than normal but probably not over 100 beats per minute. 
When I had my holter monitor it picked up 18 extra beats....I probably have than now in about 5 minutes on a regular basis.  Is this something to be concerned about?  I feel like I've been checked out, but I also think I'm going to see if I can wear another holter and see if it picks something else up. 
 
Also, when my heart rate goes up from working in the yard or doing other things the skips seem to go away, although I am afraid to exercise because of all this. 
 
Anyway, any kind of reassurance or stories of anyone being able to relate would be highly appreciated.  If it was something serious would I have shortness of breath or pain with it???  I feel a little spaced out from time to time but that is about it, I wouldn't really call it dizzy. 
I'm really down about this and struggling with it, I'm trying real hard to take all the steps I need to take in order to get a hold of my anxiety and I feel like these stupid skips just push my right back into the ring of fire.
 
Thanks in advance everyone,
 
Grant

stkitt
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   Posted 8/29/2010 2:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Grant,
 
To the best of my knowledge, to develop any kind of problem from PACs you would need to be having  thousands of them a day and even then, sudden death is not typically one of those complications.
I agree, this is paralyzing your life, and with no need.  The risks of avoiding exercise for a few PACs is *far* greater than just exercising with them.  A sedentary lifestyle will put you at risk for a myriad of cardiovascular health problems as well as many other health issues - not to mention that lack of exercise will increase your serving to feed your fears and make the cycle snowball.  IMHO the risks of exercising with PACs are nearly zero, in any event, far less than skipping the exercise.
 
Have you ever seen a therapist to help you learn to deal with health anxiety issues? I hope you are able to decrease your fears and move forward.

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Carly18
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   Posted 9/7/2010 2:46 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi again Grant,

I am so sorry to read that you are still struggling with the palpitations. I am too. I do find that if I keep myself busy, they don't bother as much. If I keep active that helps too. I am not taking any medications, I think my doctor has given up on me and drugs. I do drink vinegar, baking soda and water everyday and that seems to help me. It's easy, inexpensive and it won't cause any harm. I do wonder sometimes if the palpitations come from our stomach and from eating. Like maybe the vegus nerve gets stimulated by swallowing which then creates the palpitations. You really do have to keep a positive attitude and be confident that in time you will feel better and the anxiety will decrease. I had a doctor tell me a long time ago that these palpitations will come and go. They will disappear for sometimes months, but he's right, they have always come back and everytime they do they freak me out just like it's the first time again. They are horrible to live with but they aren't life threatening and to know that helps. I get the weird beats like you. I know it's anxiety that is causing them. I have been checked out like you many times so that's comforting that they can't find anything wrong. The more I dwell on them the more it happens. Find something that will take your mind off them and notice if they go away.....That's what I have been doing and it's working well for now.


Alcie
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   Posted 9/15/2010 9:01 AM (GMT -7)   
I get tachycardia and do "valsalva" maneuvers to stop them. You push down hard with diaphragm - like on the pot. Or coughing can help.

I have been given every type of heart med and none of them work for me, although I keep a beta blocker on hand for long runs that won't quit.

I found that some of the foods I was eating "triggered" the palps and tach. My allergist had me keeping a log/journal of my foods and reactions. When I had a long list I did a search and found that I was allergic to sulfites. Avoiding fast foods, prepared and packaged foods and cooking from scratch has helped me the most.
Alcie
 
 

schigara
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   Posted 9/28/2010 5:59 PM (GMT -7)   
I had heart palps for quite a few years and finally did some research online for the primary causes and kept coming back to magnesium and potassium deficiency. First, I started taking 400mg per day of magnesium citrate which did lessen the frequency and duration but they still persisted. Next I looked at foods rich in potassium and added bananas, cantaloupe and lima beans to my diet. I am getting about 1000-1500mg of potassium per day now. Adults are recommended to consume 3500-4500mg of potassium per day.

This combination of 400mg magnesium and 1000-1500mg potassium each day and I have had no palpitations since I added this to my regimen over 6 weeks ago.
Linus Pauling, Matthias Rath, Thomas E. Levy, Fred Klenner, Robert Cathcart, Sydney J. Bush-- These are my doctors and they saved my life and I have never met one of them.

emovarna
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   Posted 10/7/2010 5:01 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi I’m 52 and at 40 I had a heart attack. For 4 yrs I was taking beta blocker which was controlling the palpitations. Then the b-blocker start slowing mi heart rate and twice I went to the emergency. My cardiologist stops me for taking b-blocker and then starts unbearable palpitations, almost got pacemaker.

Post Edited By Moderator (stkitt) : 10/8/2010 4:37:07 PM (GMT-6)


schigara
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   Posted 10/7/2010 8:20 AM (GMT -7)   
I hope you meant 200mcg.

emovarna said...
I read about SELENIUM somewhere and start taking 200mg NatureMade selenium.

Linus Pauling, Matthias Rath, Thomas E. Levy, Fred Klenner, Robert Cathcart, Sydney J. Bush-- These are my doctors and they saved my life and I have never met one of them.

stkitt
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   Posted 10/8/2010 3:36 PM (GMT -7)   
emovarna,
 
I have edited your post re  SELENIUM due to incorrect information.  Tolerable Upper Intake Level for this product is 400mcg per day.  Exceeding the Tolerable Upper Intake Level of selenium can cause significant toxicity. There have even been reports of death due to this toxicity. Remember, most people in the United States get plenty of selenium just through their diets.
 
 
 
~~Kitt~~
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Alcie
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   Posted 10/9/2010 6:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Grant -
You might try keeping a fod journal to see if you can come up with specific foods that trigger your tach. You could have a problem like nutcracker esophagus that's doing the triggering, but it's always worthwhile to see if there are certain foods to which you have sensitivities, aka intolerances, aka allergies.

I've posted tons on the GERD website if you need more info on this. I just had to have my heart "reset" from a bad attack a couple of weeks ago, and it got bad enough to trigger a heart attack a few years ago, before I knew it wasn't just eating but eating specific things.
Alcie
 
 

chele
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   Posted 10/11/2010 6:15 AM (GMT -7)   
To: GN ICT
I have been in the wrong forum for awhile.  I have more of a heart problem, rather than anxiety.  Although anxiety can make things worse, as we all know.
Your problems with palps could have been written by me.  It's almost a carbon copy of what I have been going through for the last 6 wks. or so.
I have found that limiting sodium in my diet helps. For awhile, no matter what I ate I would start to feel the flutters. 
I go for the Holten Monitor tomorrow, as a precaution. (I have PVCs)  The echo, ekg and stress tests do not show any underlying cardio diseases.  25 mgs of atenolol AM and PM has helped, when I got used to it.
However, Saturday, Oct. 9, I had the worst spell ever.  The skipped beats would not stop.  I had a family confrontation and my BP went through the roof too.  A nurse told me to lay down and rest for awhile and that helped.  So, I guess we need to stay calm through it all.  Easier said than done.
Take care,
Chele
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