PVCs are ruining my life

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Veestarlet
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   Posted 12/31/2011 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I began feeling "skipped beats" a few months ago and was given a 24 hour holter monitor. I was then told that I was experiencing PVCs and not to worry. I would get 40 or 50 a day and I tried very hard to just block them out. This is EXTREMELY difficult for someone like me with a panic disorder.

For the last few weeks they have been so bad! They have increased in number and the "thump" I feel is now strong and sometimes even painful. I've been to the ER three times this week alone. This is ruining my life. I won't even leave the house. These PVCs lead me to have so much anxiety. Not to mention my frequency of panic attacks is now almost daily. Once a week was bad enough.

I am not on any medication for anything. Even with my panic disorder I stopped taking klonopin six months ago. I was on a low dose of .5mg twice a day. And as much as I would hate to go back on a benzo, I almost feel like I should.

These PVCs are the worst. They are so scary! Especially when you get two and three in a row! Can anyone else relate? Does anyone else have PVCs AND a panic disorde? If so, do you have any advice? I'm desperate. Thanks.

stkitt
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   Posted 1/1/2012 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
 
I understand your anxiety and yes the feeling of PVCs can be scary as many people post their concerns with fear of ectopic heartbeats. Please feel comforted to know you are not alone with this affliction.  It is one of the most common concerns you will see here in this forum and in many of the other forums.
 
You may want to talk with your physician re any medications that may help, however, depending on your age your Dr. may feel the anxiety is your primary concern and suggest you seek out ways to reduce your anxiety and worry about the PVCs.
 
Many people find the more they work through the episode and focus on not letting them control their life the less impact they have on them.
 
Big breath and keep on talking with us here in the forum.
 
Kindly,
Kitt
 
 

 
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Chair-Bear
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   Posted 1/18/2012 6:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Veestarlet,

I am with you on this one. I'm currently on Paxil, and occasionally have to take a Clonazepam (same thing as klonopin) when I can't get my anxiety under control.

I get PVC's every day. Sometimes only a couple times I can feel them. Other days it feels like every hour I can feel a few. I am scared most days because of my PVC's. I have learnt over time that I'm ok, my Dr. knows what is going on, she isn't concerned, I've had a 48 hour monitor, etc.

Rest assured that if your Dr. knows about them and isn't concerned you probably are fine, its just hard to not think about them when they happen. I totally know that feeling. I went into the ER probably 3-4 times in a month because I was afraid for my heart. I figure if the Dr.'s aren't concerned, I shouldn't be either. I am still looking into getting an Echo done just to rule absolutly out. But I have had a chest x-ray, blood work, etc....and everything has come out normal.

I just wanted you to feel some comfort that you're absolutely not alone, I go through the same thing daily.

-Chair :-)

Stingray73
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   Posted 2/1/2012 4:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Veestarlet,
 
  Just wanted you to know i understand exactly whats going on with you, as i exprience the same thing.  My doctor explained to me that there are about 15% of people who have a hypersensitivity to them and thats why they bother me so much as well.  He said the hardest part is to not let them bother you.  Obviously, they haven't killed you so you are ok.  That was the tough one for me to get over, but unfortunately, its all in your head, just like it is with me. Dont get me wrong ... i still have my bad days where my anxiety and panic attacks get so bad i do wanna go to the hospital  cause then my PVC's start kicking up and it makes me freak out and i just know that this time is the one thats gonna kill me....but then an hour later im back to being fine again. So it's just a daily struggle to not let your body control your mind, but you to control your own thoughts. I am 25 years old and just had a baby girl, so now is not the time for my anxiety to run my life.  I have an aunt whos panic attacks control her so bad she doesn't leave her house..for the past ten years! she works from home...doesn't go to family functions, and doesn't go to her kids activities.  I told myself i wasnt gonna let that happen to me.  So ive been trying my hardest to work thru them.  The best advice i can give you is something i learned about a year ago and its helped me alot.  When you start to get those PVC's and then you have the panic attack right after....allow the attack to happen.  Dont run from it.  Just do your deep breathing and tell yourself "Okay anxiety...i accept the fact that your here and theres nothing i can do about it so lets how bad you can really get.  You havent killed me yet, so go ahead and try.  I want you to make me pass out, I want my heart to beat faster, i want my chest to get tighter.  Go ahead and kill me if you can....lets see what you"ve got!" (also try this in front of a mirror saying it to yourself when its happening, that seemed to help even a little more at first.)
  I know that sounds crazy and thats the last thing that you want, but when i started trying that technique, since no meds seemed to work, i noticed i would calm down a lot quicker and its because once you realize that it cant get worse, then you immediately have just regained the control over your minds natural "fight or flight" response, and when you fight you win, because your body cant kill itself. Since your docs said you are perfectly healthy, you know you havent died yet, so i would give that a shot and see how that helps.  Its worked wonders for me and ive had anxiety disorder for three years now. 
   Also, not to freak you out, but try going for a light jog for about fifteen minutes to get your heart pounding and your breathing heavy...after you'll realize that your heart rate starts to drop normally, and your breathing gets less, and less heavy.  And you wont have a panic attack after a run like that because you caused it to yourself, it wasn't created from having an attack.  That also helps you control it alot too.  and excercise is a big part of getting rid of anxiety.
   Hope all this has helped some, good luck and i feel your pain.....hang in there and remember your in control...not your anxiety. 
 
  Aaron

Lurtle
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   Posted 6/9/2012 2:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry, I haven't read the replies so I may post something already said.
I have had bad PVCs for 3 years. They almost literally drove me nuts. Every doctor I spoke to told me to relax, it's nothing serious.
I was missing a lot of work, scared to drive, had a hard time focusing on anything. I became a hermit. I sunk into a depression.  THEN...I saw a post on another site about COENZYMEQ10 (I put it in capitals/bold so people see it!)
I took it and have had ZERO noticeable PVCs since. I know that there is a chance I may still have them at times but I thank God for the reprieve!
 
<Edit>  I removed your comment per rules of HW - no discussions of suicide are allowed in the forums. Thank you for your understanding.
 
Kitt

Post Edited By Moderator (stkitt) : 6/9/2012 11:45:21 AM (GMT-6)


bodtec66
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   Posted 6/22/2012 1:50 AM (GMT -6)   
There are so many variables with PVC's from toxicities to deficientcies. Though difficult to find at times, when you find which parts of lifestyle fits into these two catagories, you find they can be something that is eliminated. It can be anything from a caffiene habit, to smoking, to aspratame "sugar free" garbage to low fat without a good B complex vitamin exposure.
Though one might consider these two very well covered and cared for, if stress/ anxiety gets to you, the sky is the limit on heart issues in arrythmia, PVC's, PAC's, myopathy, etc.
One of the beauties I have found over the years to be a major positive for those suffering anxiety is Valerian Root. Unless a person is on a prescrip for these issues, Valerian Root taken several times a day as directed has shown to be incredibly effective for depression-anxiety and stress which inturn, greatly deals with arrythmia and PVC's. It something very well worth looking into. I have been able to stop differing cardio maladies drug free-surgery free including PVC's of which I had some every 3-4 beats, 24/7 for 3 weeks straight. Today, I have none.
I am developing a personal therapy to share that I have tried and it worked 3 times without fail. From PVC's every 3-4 heart beats as stateded above, to 2 PVS'c the following 8 hours after 10 minutes of therapy that costs about $13. Anyway, consdier starting with a simple anxiety soother with Valerian Root divided several times a day. Blessings in Health

stkitt
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   Posted 6/24/2012 10:27 AM (GMT -6)   
 
I am going to request that you tread lightly in promoting Valerain Root without including that members should always check with their Drs. first before taking this or any supplement.
 
 
alert to members:  Talk to a doctor before taking valerian root or any herb for medicinal purposes.

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bodtec66
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   Posted 6/26/2012 2:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Kitt
Understood.

bodtec66
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   Posted 6/26/2012 2:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I would very respectfully point out that the site in particular given for the safety of valerian root should not be used as it is unable to show science or study to validate any arguement one way or another as far as Valerian roots concerns or efficasy. It says right in the article that they could not show that the claimed "problem" had actually anything to do with valerian root.

It should also be pointed out that the site given is also funded by pharmaceutical companies that are in direct contradiction to natural support via supplementation from herbs, vitamin and minerals in general. The conflict of interest is overwhelming. They could not possibly put a positive note on valerian root while in the upper left hand corner they sell drugs that are in competition.

To date, in the last 25 years pharmacueticals have caused some 3,000,000 fatalities whereas supplementation has not one to be proven in the same time. It is so important to point those facts out to our good doctors when they condemn or make others fear natural means by supplying studies, comments or articles written, paid-for or supplied by pharma or chemical manurfacturers.

We have to tread very carefully from every point being well informed meta analysis style. It is so important to discuss everything with your doctor but personally I have seen and felt great loss due to prescription drugs and surgery and yet to have felt a loss by an herb, vitamin or mineral.
Bottom line is, I agree, talk to a doctor, but be very well informed.

stkitt
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   Posted 6/26/2012 4:15 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Your opinion is truly appreciated and I know many will find it helpful.  My point was to remind you and all of the members to be sure to let people know you are sharing what works for you and your opinions.
 
I feel all members must weigh the pros and cons of any medical decision they make re their health. 
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toxicshock
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   Posted 6/30/2012 1:53 PM (GMT -6)   
You poor thing, I feel so sorry for you. I have had PVCs for 30 years, and Im still kicking!! Please try and get some valium from your Dr. so you can take some when you get the PVC's. I take 2mg and it keeps me calm through them, and I have them all the time, they come and go. I think they are caused by the Vegus nerve, when  my stomach get messed up, then I get the pvcs.
I also have panic attacks, my whole family has them, and my sisters and Mom all have pvc's.  I hope this helps.
 
Katherine

jennbee04
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   Posted 7/8/2012 11:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi I have aortic stenosis and after the birth of my son I started getting PVC my cardo doc gave me some meds what helped for a while, I ended seeing another doc he specializes in PVC we did a cardiac ablation to try and see we're they we're coming from and they would burn them but it turned out that I had av node taccacardia and that triggered the PVC on the monitor though that's not what I really had, They ended up repairing the av node and I have been great since. I do get some PVC sometimes but only when I get stressed. Just keep telling your doctor how you feel or make some suggestions to him on what you are willing to do, I learned that if I kept telling my cardo that this was bothering my life and 6 mths later he finally got it. Best of luck to you!

AlwaysWorried
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   Posted 7/8/2012 6:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I started having PVC's during high stress/anxiety times in my life several years ago. At that time they would only occur when I was stressed and anxious. However, now I notice that I experience them quite frequently and they've actually increased my anxiety tremendously!! I'm 28 years old, I don't smoke or drink, I'm tall and thin, have low blood pressure, and also have had EKG's, blood work, stress Echo on the treadmill twice, 24 hour Holter monitors and 2 week even loop recorders. Guess what? They all say I'm perfectly healthy and my tests could go in textbooks they are so picture perfect. Should make me feel amazing, but I still worry because they're so uncomfortable.

Just my two cents, but I think that my body was so stressed all the time for so long that these PVC's are how my body is relieving the stress and anxiety or trying to cope with it. I'm now in CBT therapy to try to deal with them, but if you look at this thread 95% of posters say something about having anxiety disorder. Now I'm no doctor or psychiatrist or anything, but it doesn't take a genius to notice the correlation between the two and I think that those of us with anxiety are so afraid and hyperfocused on every single little feeling that we notice these dumb things when other people wouldn't bat an eye. I'm really thinking that if we were all to get our anxiety settled down and controlled that we would notice a dramatic reduction in our PVC's or at least not care about them or notice them when they come.

annay8s
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   Posted 7/10/2012 2:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey. I am new to this site. I have been experiencing PVC's for about a year now. Back in September I had started running and one day when my run was over I noticed that my heart wouldnt slow down. Since I work in an Emergency Room I decided to wait until I went to work to get it checked out. I was in SVT and got admitted to the Critical Care Unit. Then about a month later I went in for a Cardiac Ablation. Since then I have experienced PVC's. They happen all the time. I cant sleep some nights. I am afraid to exercise. And the dern Ablation surgery got me so in debt that I dont want to go back to the doctor to get my heart checked out again. I think I am going to try taking Mag and see if that helps with the episodes. Stay hydrated and maybe even try exercise again. If anyone has any other suggestions to help me get my life back they would be very much appreciated! Thanks. annay8s... :-)

Cierramj2010
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   Posted 7/14/2012 9:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey . im 20 and i have been experiencing PVC's for about 2 1/2 years now it started my freshman year of college ....i take Atenolol 25mg for it ...i recently went to the ER two days ago because my PVC's had been happening everyday for 2 weeks straight and that has never happened.. i thought about taking some MAG 500mg but im not sure how good the results will be ...im afraid to work out and the pvc's really get going when i have a bowel movement (TMI) but yea any suggestions??

mucknmire
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   Posted 10/1/2012 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I have had pvc's for 30 some odd years. They come and go for no apparent or clear reason. Nothing in particular can trigger them, except anxiety, which I have plenty of. Being on Lexapro and Xanax may offer a temporary feeling of well being, but it is not a cure. I know it's scary but I have learned to believe that they are benign, although I know, when I get them repeatedly all day, they annoy me. And - I LOVE coffee. (Hate decaf). I don't know if drinking coffee really makes them worse or not. Anyone have any idea?

stkitt
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   Posted 10/1/2012 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Welcome to HealingWell and thank you for your comment re your PVCS - you are right on track in accpepting that your PVCS are benign as long as your Dr. agrees with you.  I have PVCS occasionally but have learned to not worry about them  as long as I am sx free.
 
If I drink to much Diet Coke I will notice an increase in ectopy but I will also feel jittery so I know it is time to decrease the caffeine. 
 
Again welcome aboard.
 
Kitt
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Tawni11
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   Posted 10/30/2012 12:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey everyone, I just signed up to this site as I found some of the forums have been helpful in the reassurance of common occurances with other individuals as well as myself! Here is a bit on my story of dealing with PAC's AND PVC's. When I was 18yrs old I had whats called a Catheter Ablation procedure done - I was diagnosed with PSVT (Paroxysmal Supraventricular Tachycardia). I had bouts of tachycardia (fast heartbeat) that would be a very sudden onset with no particular reason for it and would also stop abruptly and go back into a regular heartbeat (NSR - Normal Sinus Rhythm). So I had this ablation therapy done when I was 18, and about 7-8 months after the procedure, I developed PAC's which were diagnosed from a holter monitor (24hr heart monitor). These I have frequently throughout my day which I can feel and they are very minor and I am used to these. I was not put on any medication and these do not give me any anxiety problems. HOWEVER, I am now 22 and have had a few changes. I still have the PAC's (Premature Atrial Contractions - top portion of the heart contracting too early), and I ALSO now have PVC's (Premature Ventricular Contractions - bottom portion of heart contracting too early). I can DEFINITLY feel the difference between these - IT IS TRUE. (Ps, I also work in the medical field as Paramedic and can also diagnose these on heart monitor while I feel them and can see/feel the difference). So one day I came home from work and I was having what felt like a "flipflop" in my chest (PVC) happening every 3-4 beat, every single one that happened I could feel, and it would make my anxiety level skyrocket, as well as my heart rate. Went into work, realized it was PVC's and not my normal PAC's so went into ER (due to my procedure being done, my heart is a bit more excitable than normal so I wanted to make sure this wasnt going to be a problem). They were not concerned at all - gave me a small prescription for ativan to calm myself down when/if this happens again. I have made an appointment with my cardiologist who has given me a small prescription for Metoprolol (beta-blocker) and I am only to use it if these become a problem for a FEW DAYS. I am going on a holter monitor in two days - however, i have not had a pvc for quite some time now. I am also having an Echocardiogram done in a few weeks to ensure all areas of my heart are normal - thus - these pvcs being benign. What I beleive has happened is that due to some recent family illness(increased stress), increased stress with changing jobs in the last few months, increased caffine and alcohol consumption, has all thrown my electrolytes out of wack and stressed my heart out - thus changes. I really am scared when these happen and it really does feel like I am about to keel over! I have completely cut out alcohol, caffine, chocolate and trying my best to live stress-free. I do not smoke (quit over a year ago now). I have had the odd PVC but they seem to be gone for the most part (still have regular PAC's). I would recommend getting these checked if its a new occurance to be sure its not something that will be harmful if left untreated for a period of time. Many people live with these from day to day with no side effects, but better to err on the side of caution I personally think. I hope this has helped anyone that may be suffering from these - please feel free to ask questions if you need! This started happening to me just over a month ago - still erring on the side of caution and would love to start my exercise regimine again (ugh!!). :) I know its hard, but try to relax. If you find your heart is racing - try to bear down like your trying to have a bowel movement - this stimulates the vagus nerve and will help to slow your heart rate down (which is why some people pass out while on the can!). This is what I was told to do prior to my ablation; but when a PVC happens and the anxiety level rises, the heart rate rises too! Coughing has seemed to help me too, try to force out a few good coughs and that may help (might only just take your mind off it enough to let them ease off). :) Good Night!

jrsolsjeff
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   Posted 10/31/2012 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I was diagnosed with GAD and panic disorder the summer of 2007. My first panic attack was a nightmare that caused a rolling panic that lasted 2 weeks. Even though through therapy I eventually realized the cause of my initial attack, the attack itself caused years of anxiety and panic issues that I still slightly deal with today. I have come a very long way however my most recent issue associated with anxiety and panic is PVC's. Like everyone else I have had a full cardio work up and several (I mean like at least 20-30) visits to the ER since June of this year when they started. The PVC's really lit a fire in me to do whatever it takes to get my life back! because after 5 years of anxiety and panic, I always managed to stay happy and avoid depression. When the PVC's began...not so much. I became very depressed and hopeless.

I will try to make this as short as possible. I have learned that most illness, sickness, disease, etc whether it be physical or mental starts with our mouths. "you are what you eat" isnt exactly just a phrase. Its the simplest truth to life. If you want to feel good and if you want every system of your body from cardio to neuro to function the way its intended, you have to feed it what it needs to sustain life. With that said, for me it is all gastro. You will hear people say they can relate their PVC's to stomach upset, vagus irritation, mineral/vitamin deficiency, etc. problem is, when someone figures they are deficient on magnesium they start taking a magnesium supplement. Ok well what is in your diet that made you deficient in the first place and have you cut it from your diet? Lots of things we consume interrupt absorption of vitamins and minerals. the link between these PVC's, stomach problems an anxiety is a disaster for ones body. Anxiety causes stomach upset, stomach upset puts pressure on the vagus nerve, the vagus nerve get irritated and causes an arrhythmia. People with anxiety tend to take anti-depressants, benzo's, etc and because of their stomach issues they also tend to take PPI's or antacids. All of those prescription or OTC drugs block efficient mineral/vitamin absorption in one way or another. So now the stomach upset and anxiety symptoms are masked yet PVC's remain due to deficiency thus allowing the anxiety to return and then the stomach upset. A vicious cycle which is why these medications only work temporarily or not at all.

So here what I did! I researched and researched and found that over time, people with this vicious cycle can easily develop a hiatial hernia which puts a lot of pressure on the vagus and can actually cause it to be pinched. I had a hunch this was my case due to other symptoms such as tachycardia as well a profound PVC's during and following a bowel movement or eating a heavy meal. I knew a traditional doctor would not acknowledge this or if they did they would just give me PPI's or offer surgery. both of which I didn't want. I wanted a cure, not more problems. So I went to chiropractic who was able to dislodge the hernia (you can look up hiatial hernia for an explanation of what it is). I also got tested for candida overgrowth by a holistic practitioner since my MD was clueless that this even existed. candida caused by unbalanced intestinal flora (taking antibiotics without a probiotic) can also aid in stomach problems effecting the vagus and thus heart rhythm. because of the hernia and candida I didn't just go on a diet I had to make a lifestyle change which isn't easy for most people but because I was already a vegetarian juicer who only occasionally loved pizza and coffee but could live off pasta it wasn't as difficult for me.

I now eat very small meals some of which are just a smoothie or fresh juice, I am gluten free which I learned from a dietician that because of my O blood type I am prone to gluten sensitivity. after 3 weeks of being gluten free I showed signs of having no more anxiety and I have been panic attack free since the 5-6th week of being gluten free. I am now a pescatarian since being protein deficient was also no good for my heart muscle. I take a number of supplements a day including taurine (for PVC's), sea kelp (for potassium absorption), COQ10, psyllium fiber, potassium, magnesium via epsom salt or natural calm, Alpha lipoic acid (for vagus nerve repair) Flax oil and fish oil just to name a few. My diet is 95% raw meaning I juice organic fresh fruits and veggies a lot! I am completely off beta blockers and benzo's which in my case made everything worse over time. Never had a PVC but was put on a beta blocker for sudden rapid heart rate due to the onset of anxiety. a month into taking the beta blocker and also prilosec I began having PVC's, hundreds of them a night that kept me up all night. I am a 32 year old female, two kids, full time job and lots of stress. stress that I should be able to handle without popping a xanax or ativan. and thanks to the knowledge I've gained I am pretty much there now!

Between my lifestyle change, supplementation and forcing time for myself (no matter how important everyone and everything else in life is) to meditate and clear my anxiety, I can now enjoy life without thinking I am knocking on deaths door everyday. Im doing things now that seemed impossible just 2 months ago. I am not a doctor, I cannot say why you have PVC's or anxiety. In the event of PVC's just to be safe I highly recommend a cardio workup before self diagnosing and treating. But I can say that what you put into you body everyday can make you or break you and you have the control and the choice is in your hands to decide if you want to be healthy and feel good or if you want to just 'live with it". Benign or not, having PVC's can be hard to live with and while doctors may not know the cure, only you know your own body as well as YOU and if you want them to stop you can figure what it needs that it isn't getting or what it is getting that it doesn't need and balance yourself out! for me, all of my issues were related to taking prescription drugs and eating the wrong things. I still get an occasional PVC but it took years to put my body through the stress and chemical imbalance that made it wacky in the first place so its taking time to heal as well. But the miraculous thing is that my body has the ability to heal itself when fed properly. :)

Good luck to you all!

jim f
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   Posted 11/12/2012 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I too am a former pvc sufferer, and I hope my story can help others suffering from this debilatating condition. I have managed to get control of my pvcs and feel the occaisional pvc here and there, but not anywhere near the point I used to feel them. I don't feel that pause, then hard thump anymore, nor do I get breathless, or start to anxious as my heart sped up, or any of the symptoms associated with pvcs.

I'm a 45 year old male and have suffered from pvcs for several years, but I never knew what was the cause of the thumping in my chest, the breathlessness, and lightheadness. I've had a couple of ER visits, but in each case, the ER doctors could never find anything wrong and just sent me home. On the last ER visit however, the ER doctors said there was nothing wrong with me, but he pointed out that I had an irregular heartbeat and that's how I found out about pvcs. I'm not sure why the doctors on the other visits did not point it to me, but my guess is that they probably considered the problem benign and sent me on my way. A 24 hour holter revealed I had about 2,000 pvcs/day, with 88 runs, mostly bigemony, and a short burst of tachycardia where my heart rate got to 188. After several tests, my practioner declared to me that I was healthy 45 year old with pvcs and that I shouldn't worry about them as they are benign. He said he couldn't prescribe me a beta blocker because my heart rate was already low averaging 55 beats/min (I've worked out for many years and have stayed in good shape). The only problem with his assessment is that he is not the one who has to live with them.

So, I did my own research and found all kinds of information from electrolyte imbalances to vagus nerve theories to blood ph disorders. I was (or maybe still am) vitamin D deficient. My reading came in at a paltry 9, so my doctor told me to take 5000 iu daily, which I started doing when I quit tobacco (this point might be important). I used to use chewing tobacco, drink about 12 cups of coffee in the morning, but I rarely drank alcohol. The first thing I did was quit tobacco, but after 2 months, I still had lots of pvcs.  So, then I tried switching my coffee to decaf, but still no luck, so I then I tried "light decaf" where I blended equal parts of caffinated and decaffinated coffee. I really never drank a lot of pop, but I gave up whatever I was drinking. I was still having pvcs.

So, I added magnesium (400 mg/daily), CoQ10 (200 mg/daily), potassium glutonate (99 mg potassium daily), and a multivitamin (Centrum Silver), and after a few months...I still had lots of pvcs. I think the level might have been reduced very slightly, but I was still having so many that it was still a major problem for me.

Whenever I drank coffee, I used to use TONS of Splenda. I mean would pour that stuff into my cup. So, I gave up on Splenda and switched to stevia extracts. This helped a little bit. Not much, but it did help. So I did a little more research and found that blood ph may have an effect on pvcs. Intuitively, it does make sense, so I decided to explore the option a little further. I found a list of foods that cause blood to become acidic or alkaline, and of course, artificial sweetners were on the list of foods that cause blood to become highly acidic, which is what you don't want. Normally, blood is very slightly alkaline, but you must keep in mind individual differences, average is not necessarily optimal for everyone. But I digress, so I found that lemons and watermelon have a strong alkalizing effect on blood, so I started eating LOTS of watermelon, but the affect was minimal after 2 months. Ironically, whenever I drank the lemon juice, my pvcs would go into serious, torturous runs of bigemony, so I didn't drink lemon juice. Some readers may have tried the lemon juice and baking soda mixture that seems to be popular, and although I have never tried that mixture, many users have expressed it's worked for them.

While trying to alkalize my blood did help, pvcs were still making my life very uncomfortable. My doctor wanted to me have a routine colonscopy, to which I agreed, although I think he probably started me a little young. I stopped all vitamins 1 week before the procedure. I had the procedure and then started on my vitamins again. I don't remember exactly what I did around that time, but my pvcs disappeared! They were gone! I remember after the first day of not having one thinking to myself "are they really gone?". After 2 weeks of not having any pvcs, I remember I stopped taking vitamin D and magnesium because I was having horrible bouts of diarrhea, and then after 2 weeks all of sudden...my pvcs came back! I went back on my vitamins but for 4 months, but still suffered from pvcs. During that time, I stopped using the multi-vitamin and increased the CoQ10 intake to 400 mg, but saw no improvement. I tried decreasing my "light caffeine" coffee consumption, but again, no difference. Recently, I cut down on the amount of milk I use in my coffee and stopped using magnesium and potassium and switched to eating bananas because I was suffering from irritable bowel, but that seemed to stop the irritable bowel and reduced my pvcs a bit. I then decided to stop taking CoQ10 and that's when my pvcs stopped again altogether! I have an odd beat here and there, maybe a couple a day, but no more pauses and thumps, no more breathlessness, or any other symptoms from pvcs. They're gone again and I think I may know why this time.

For me, I believe it is a combination of the banana diet, alkalizing my blood, but most importantly, increasing the vitamin D levels in my blood that put an end to my pvcs. Oddly enough, I think that the high levels of CoQ10 actually made the problem worse! My pvcs disappeared altogether when I stopped using CoQ10.  While it might sound strange that it is vitamin D that helped me overcome pvcs, keep in mind that vitamin D also affects calcium absorption in your body, and of course, calcium is a crucial component in triggering muscle contractions in the heart.  So, could it be that the increase in vitamin D helped my body absorb more calcium and that was my base problem (low calcium)?  Is it possible that the base problem was that my magnesium was actually high and the increase in calcium simply put the ratio of magnesium and calcium in proper balance?  I don't know, since increasing vitamin D has a plethora of effects on the body.  I cannot say why increasing the vitamin D level in my body has helped; I'm simply telling you the results in the hope that any part of this information could help you.

The point to all of this is that we all have individual differences and each of our bodies may react differently to each treatment method. There are many pvc sufferers that will swear that CoQ10 stopped their pvcs altogether, but it didn't help when I was taking it and my pvcs stopped when I stopped using it. What might have worked for one person, might not work for you because your chemistry is unique to you. This is why some treatments work for some people and fail for others. For the most part, pvcs are not a big enough problem in the medical community to study in deeper detail because they are usually benign and it seems that they can be caused by a myriad of factors.

As for me, my message to anyone who is considering ablation as a solution is to stop and reconsider what changes you can make in your lifestyle that could potentially be causing your pvcs. IF your pvcs are benign, then you have time to test and try different strategies that might work for you. Don't just try it for a week and if it doesn't work, then give up and abandon the idea. Some strategies take longer than others to implement. Ask yourself:

How much caffeine or other stimulants to I intake daily? If you're taking in a lot, try to reduce and note the effect.
Do you use tobacco? Try quitting and see if it helps (it didn't with me, but it has with other people)
Is your diet rich in magnesium and potassium? I believe bananas helped with me, though oddly, I don't believe that potassium glutonate made much of a difference.
Have you tried CoQ10? Some suffers swear it alleviated their pvcs, but I think I built up a level that was too high in my blood, which might have made blood conditions worse for my pvcs.
Do you eat a lot meats, dairy, and refined grains? These acidify your blood. Would you still consider ablation if changing your diet would get rid of your pvcs? Try eating watermelon or try the lemon & baking soda treatment.
What is your vitamin D3 level? Mine was really,really low, and oddly, I think one of the biggest factors in getting rid of my pvcs was getting my vitamin D level up. KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU CAN GET VITAMIN D TOXICITY SO TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR FIRST BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING.
How much water do you drink daily? Keeping hydrated is really important. I remember several weeks ago when I was walking through a Lowe's hardware store my pvcs up kicked so bad I thought I was going to faint because I couldn't draw a breath, but then I grabbed a bottled water at a checkout and right away the pvcs decreased to the point where I could at least get my breath and didn't feel like I was going to faint.
I think one of the biggest factors is how much stress you have in your life.  While I do a good job of managing my stress without prescriptions, I have noticed that my pvcs are worse in times of great stress.  If you can reduce your stress on your own without medication, then you're already ahead of the game.

It could possibly be a combination of some or all of these things that get rid of your pvcs. Personally, I believe that a vast majority of the cases are blood disorders in which either the electrolyte balance is not right for the heart tissue through which it pumps, thus aggravating that heart tissue and causing the chamber to pump prematurely, or it is an issue where the ph balance is off, again aggravating heart tissue to fire prematurely.

Good luck to all who suffer from these things. I hope this information is useful to someone out there.

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roobyjen
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   Posted 11/12/2012 3:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I've had PVC's for 15+ years - typically only really noticeable (4-5 a minute) when I am dehydrated - honestly; it's been a great "reminder" - to stay in balance.
I am a 37 y/o female; about 25-30 lbs heavier than I should be; relatively active (walk 12 miles a week or so) and have 4 kids. Suddenly - yesterday - I started having 12-20 PVC's a minute...and it was making me very tired. I finally said something to my husband - he listened on his stethoscope (he's an RN) - and confirmed what I was feeling. I rested, took a nap...got up and made dinner. During/after dinner; it calmed down a bit; dropping to one every 10-20 beats or so. Then it ramped back up again about an hour later through bedtime. I woke up this morning; only having 3-5 a minute - went for my walk - then an hour later; it's back again - and it's been going on for 5 hours now - at about 15+ a minute.

I called a cardiologist (haven't been to one in years), and they told me there were no appts available till December - but the receptionist took my info and said she'd have the nurse call me. She called me back; and suddenly, I have an appointment tomorrow. I'm appreciative - but also concerned.

I do have very low Vitamin D; a "possible" sub-clinical thyroid level (tests within normal limits; but on the very low side; with symptoms like thinning hair, low basal temps etc), and was told about 15 years ago I "might" have mitral valve prolapse (inconclusive after a very long ECG...back when I started having the PVC's originally. I have never worried about them or given them a second thought; just a normal thing that occasionally happens. Now - it's different.

I have no anxiety or stress issues (other than a normal mom of 4 who runs her own business could have!)

grenouille
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   Posted 11/17/2012 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I have had pvcs since the age of 24 am now 57. Had avholster done when they first started I was having about 4000 a day......throu the years they have always been different , sometimes they were very hard sometimes they feel like a wave . I have gone weeks month without any then sll the suden theyre back

stkitt
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   Posted 11/19/2012 1:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you  everyone who has taken the time to share thier own personal experience with PVCs.
 
I admire that each of you advocated for yourself when looking for the cause of your PVCs and finding ways to deal with your own issues.
 
To the best of my knowledge, prematue ventricular contractions occur in many healthy individuals. In the absence of heart disease there is little or no increase risk, and the risk-benefit ratio of antiarrhythmic therapy does not support routine treatment. For the patient who complains of disturbing palpitations due to the PVCs, however, the clinician may have to attempt to relieve the symptoms.  This is the part where each of you educate yourselves on PVCS, causes, treatments and advocate for yourself.
 
I am proud to read what a good job you are all doing.
 
Kindly,
Kitt
 
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pooh1953
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   Posted 6/25/2013 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I was diagnosed with PVCs last week, after complaining to my heart doctor that I was having palpatations. He increased my dosage of Nadalol (beta blocker). Well it made the PVC less noticeable but I get really tired, and short of breath and yesterday I felt like I was going to pass out at the grocery store. I don't know which is worse. I tend to have more PVCs after I eat. They seem to go away after I burp at least for a little while. I hear from people that PVCs are benign but they are scary to me. Is there any help out there that might work instead of the beta blocker? confused

Limerick rose
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   Posted 9/30/2013 2:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I had these horrid PVC s for a month. Someone on another site suggested liquid magnesium 400 mg or 3 to 4 tsps a day. It worked !!!!!!totally cured cant believe it. A miracle. The docs couldn't help me at all. Do try it. You can even buy the pills cheap at Walgreens which might work as well. Good luck people!
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