risk ratio and saturated fat??

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jawnn
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   Posted 1/25/2013 2:28 PM (GMT -7)   

A year and a half ago I had a heart attack and had several stents installed.

I just got my lipid test and there is a new thing on it. A ‘risk ratio’, but it says nothing about it.

So I need a chart or an equation to figure out how much saturated fat I can eat daily, using the risk ratio of 4. shocked

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I stopped taking my Crestor of 5mg daily because the insurance will not pay for it now. I’m not sure it really helped any ways and there is the fear that it could give me a clogged artery.

When I see my doctor, I will ask about other statins, but I do not think he knows anything about dietary inputs like the deadly saturated fats that are in almost all food.

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And to give you more food for thought:

There is some controversy about coconut oil, probable the same corporation that owns Crisco started the idea that it could be safe to eat coconut oil; because they now use palm oil for Crisco, instead of manmade hydrogenated oils now known as Trans Fat.  What a scam.


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   Posted 1/25/2013 2:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello and welcome to HealingWell,
 
I'm glad you asked this question since deciphering your results can be confusing. The total cholesterol to HDL cholesterol ratio is a number that is helpful in predicting atherosclerosis, the process of fatty buildup in the walls of the arteries. The number is obtained by dividing total cholesterol by HDL (good) cholesterol. For example, if a person has a total cholesterol of 200 mg/dL and an HDL cholesterol level of 50 mg/dL, the ratio would be 4.0. A high ratio indicates a higher risk of heart attack while a low ratio indicates a lower risk.
 
High total cholesterol (an indicator that your body has a lot of the lipoproteins that contribute to atherosclerosis) and low HDL cholesterol increases the ratio, so that scenario is undesirable. Conversely, low total cholesterol and high HDL cholesterol lowers the ratio and is good news.
 
Do talk with your physician re your risk ratio as he is the best person to guide you along the confusing path of good and bad cholesterol.
 
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   Posted 1/25/2013 3:30 PM (GMT -7)   
I am locking down this thread due to the discussion re chemicals and many debates re vitamins/minerals etc.  Also the member who has posted links to his own web site that sells product has had his account banned.
 
This is the peer support  Heart & Cardiovascular Disease forum for the sharing and support of others who are traveling the same path as you are.  We are not a lab nor do we provided professionals to teach classes in the way chemicals are broken down and utilized in the body by posting indepth articles copied and pasted into the forum.
 
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   Posted 1/26/2013 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
wow! thanks, I will take this article home and red it . then show it ot my doctor.at the end of the month. :-)

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   Posted 1/29/2013 12:05 PM (GMT -7)   
 

What makes LP(a) sticky? Is it saturated with hydrogen molecules???

 

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   Posted 1/30/2013 11:11 AM (GMT -7)   
what is saturated fat, and how does it relate to lipo-protein (a) ??

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   Posted 1/30/2013 1:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes I did read all of that long article and sent it to others with same problems.
 
Are you saying that saturated fat has nothing to do with cloged arteries,veins etc?
 
Well thats what I learned in cardiac rehab....well it looks likie somebody is pulling the wool over mine eyes! VOT IS GOING ON HERE??
 
 Well don't worrie,I just bought a large bottle of L-lysine and Vt E and VtC I am not very likely going to be abel to buy co-Q 10, very expensive. what else do I really need? I have vt D because of the dark weather, and my heart doctor perscribed 1 gram of Niacin daily.
 
 So this is more misinformation: (or just too old)

Since the 1950s, it has been commonly believed that consumption of foods containing high amounts of saturated fatty acids (including meat fats, milk fat, butter, lard, coconut oil, palm oil, and palm kernel oil) is potentially less healthy than consuming fats with a lower proportion of saturated fatty acids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Cardiovascular_disease

Post Edited (jawnn) : 1/30/2013 1:29:46 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 2/1/2013 11:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Crisco no longer uses man made hydrogenated oils. It uses palm oil.
 
I need information an how easy it is to oxidize powder vtC....that is how fast it will go bad exposed to the air.
 
I don't see any referance to research papers about the saturated fats.

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   Posted 2/2/2013 11:09 AM (GMT -7)   
"I didn’t add the references for the saturated fats because most of this is common knowledge."
 
You mean it's all over the internet, and there fore you believe it. I do not believe any thing with out some proof.
 
The Vt C this is well documented, don't bother agian. I need some referance to science pappers for saturated fats.

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   Posted 2/2/2013 11:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Some one was telling me that I should take magnesium as well.
 
Is there any data on that?
 
How much magnesium should I take, with calcium.

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   Posted 2/8/2013 11:50 AM (GMT -7)   
I am not finding any articles with referances to scientific studys.
 
I think there all working on rumors. What some one said, as long as it sounds shocking becomes the so called truth.
 
I want to show some real info to the people at the hospital that tought me about saturated fats.
 
 
No? so there is nothing scientific about these statments?
 
continued here http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=42&m=2646318

Post Edited (jawnn) : 2/15/2013 11:44:30 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted Yesterday 4:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Hmmmm..... Interesting.....

Now, I'm 6 years out from 2 bad heart attacks, triple bypass, ect. I react HORRIBLY to meds. Especially cholesterol ones. My doc's and I have run the gamut with all the possible drugs they could give me. Out of pure exasperation, the doc told me about the Ornish diet. And it STILL p*sses me off that they NEVER told me about this BEFORE they crammed all those drugs in me that trashed my GI system (and I can verify that, believe me).

The Ornish diet, designed and tested (for something like 40 years now) by a leading cardiologist is, to date, the ONLY clinically tested and PROVEN way to reduce heart disease. Let me say this again: ONLY.

No fats (which means NO OILS, because oil IS pure fat). No processed food. No cholesterol (meat, dairy). You may not like it because you are so used to your ways of eating, but with all the recipes and such they have now it's actually very good and you get used to it very quickly. No one says you can't 'cheat' now and then and have a boneless chicken breast or something, but the closer you stay 'in line', the better your results.

Now, after all I have been through (and I did EVERYTHING wrong - smoked like a chimney, DOUBLE fried foods, ect.) I just had my 6 month checkup with my cardiologist. My BP was 123/80. My EKG and such were FLAWLESS. He told me to get out because I was in better shape than he was. Take it for what it's worth.

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   Posted Today 11:33 AM (GMT -7)   
I was thinking about getting a vita mix juicer, and drinking a ton of fressh vegys daily to get all the nutrients that I realy need.
 
Join a CSA and get a large box or two of fresh vegys weeky.
 
Vitamix is the ony one that puverizes hard vegys to drinkable form, that I know of. Does not remove pulp.

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   Posted 2/20/2013 11:21 AM (GMT -7)   
 
I haven't seen any evidence that coconut oil is not effected by heat.
 
The info on the can of spray oil says it is for 365 degree heat, and that canola oil is for 460 degree heat.
  
The nutritionist / Dietitian at the local hospital doesn't seem to know very much about my questions.
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   Posted 3/20/2013 12:32 PM (GMT -7)   

jawnn
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   Posted 3/23/2013 11:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Now all I need is info about vitamin K in relation to vt. D
 
and perhaps some info about the balance of D and A?
 

I was talking to my shrink about the medical industry and realized that the reason that they do not pay attention to  Ortho-Molecular medicine is that they must adhere to the statistical research. In other words the medical industry is waiting for the statistics to catch up to reality.

 

So there will need to be a whole lot more people using mega doses of vt.C before the statistics change.  It will take at least one hundred years at this rate.

Post Edited (jawnn) : 3/29/2013 12:53:34 PM (GMT-6)


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jawnn
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   Posted 7/20/2013 11:14 AM (GMT -7)   
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23657841

Post Edited (jawnn) : 7/20/2013 12:17:15 PM (GMT-6)


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