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kristi27
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   Posted 4/5/2014 10:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, I am going nuts tonight. I am having pac's all day every day for the last few weeks. I hear that is dangerous to have this many, ready to go back to the cardiologist but just wanted to know what to think about this?

Screaming Eagle
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   Posted 4/5/2014 10:54 PM (GMT -7)   
……I just a had a treadmill test done, and had so many of them showing up during the test, that they had a hard time seeing the regular heart beat. Maybe mine are called something a bit different? PVC? not sure, but my heart surgeon said they are common and they generally are not a big concern.

However, I just got out of the Hospital yesterday, with 3 more stints added to the one I got 12yrs ago when I had a massive heart attack.

It's best to see your Heart Dr, and let him/her decide if it is a concern in your case.

Best of luck!

SE
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kristi27
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   Posted 4/5/2014 10:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you. Hope you are feeling ok. Didn't the doctor say having that many was dangerous? I seem to et these more when I am having allergies.

Screaming Eagle
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   Posted 4/5/2014 11:08 PM (GMT -7)   
….mine were only seen during the treadmill test, and the Heart Surgeon was not concerned about them. However, I have had hard chest pains bothering me for the last several months, so was the reason for having the heart-cath done. I have heard that laying on the left side can make them worse, but I'm by no means experienced about heart issues.

I'm betting that others here will have better answers than I can provide. I'm also a Chronic Pain patient and spend the majority of my time on that forum instead of here. Keep checking back for more and probably better answers from this group.

I will also keep checking back here as well to learn what they have to say. wink

The last couple of days have been a bit rough for me, but I also now have orders for a week off of work, and that should help me recover.

…Also!….welcome to the forums! Enjoy!

SE
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kristi27
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   Posted 4/5/2014 11:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I am sorry to hear you are not feeling so great. Have they figured out what your chest pains are from? I hope you get better soon, maybe the week off will help:)

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   Posted 4/5/2014 11:31 PM (GMT -7)   
…..I believe that I had clogged Artery's ….thus the reason for the newly added "Stints". I will get to visit with the Surgeon this next week, and then will get my questions answered. I think I got lucky this time, and was caught before further damage was done.

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JungRulz
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   Posted 4/6/2014 6:21 AM (GMT -7)   
As a mostly lifelong sufferer of a benign arrhythmia, I can sympathize. Be sure to express your concerns to your doctor. Advice given on forums should be used cautiously, and only after doctors have ruled-out more serious issues.

It's common for me and others to discuss our arrhythmias specifically, but truth be known, without EKG verification when they occur, we really don't know for sure.

"Symptoms of PACs

Most often, patients with PACs complain of palpitations.  However, rather than reporting sustained racing heartbeat, they usually describe "missing" or "skipping" of the heartbeat.  Some patients even feel that the heart has "stopped" while others describe a sensation of "flip-flop."  This is due to the fact that the PAC comes too early (prematurely) in the cardiac cycle to have resulted in an effective pulse or heartbeat.  Therefore, no heartbeat is felt until the next regularly-timed heartbeat occurs after a pause (so-called compensatory pause).  Incidentally, the beat after the PAC usually occurs with stronger contraction than usual and can be associated with an urge to cough.  Symptoms of PACs are virtually indistinguishable from those of PVCs as the physiological effects are identical".

www.cardiachealth.org/premature-atrial-contractions-pacs

Presuming you are under the care of a doctor, and the doctor knows the frequency you experience these, the following page has always been a reassurance to me. My arrhythmia has always been identified as PVCs, with infrequent PACs. Concerning PVCs, this Electrophysiologist, a doctor that corrects rhythm disturbances via a process known as ablation, says that in a structurally healthy heart with no know deficit in the electrical system, that they wouldn't even worry about correcting the PVCs until there's more than 20,000 per day.

www.drjohnm.org/2013/06/benign-pvcs-a-heart-rhythm-doctors-approach/

Hope this is of some help.

kristi27
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   Posted 4/6/2014 7:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, thank you, I am having them all day every heart beat is "beat beat space" "beat beat space" So how many would that be a day? More than 20,000? I did have an echo two years ago and the doctor said that I
was having them about 13% and he wanted to get them down to 8%. He gave Metroprolol but the got better, now they are back. This is so depressing.

Do you take anything for yours? This must be madening for you?

JungRulz
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   Posted 4/11/2014 7:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi again.

Visit the link I provided in my last response. There is a pattern called Bigeminy. I've been in it for short periods of time, others longer. There is also Trigeminy. Bigeminy is a normal, normal, premature, normal, normal, premature.

My rule of thumb is for anyone that develops an arrhythmia such as PVCs, PACs, Runs of Rapid Beating (spontaneously arising), and pattern arrhythmias such as Bigeminy or Trigeminy, to see a doctor to rule out anything serious.

Likewise, if someone is unfortunate enough to have frequent premature beats or these other forms, and have been tested and examined by a doctor and told that their condition is benign, and suddenly experiences a change in what they know is normal for them, they too should see a doctor at that time and periodically otherwise.

I believe the drug you mention is Metoprolol, I take Atenolol. With my cardiologist's consent, I was only taking 1/4 a 50 mg pill twice a day, so that would be 12.5 mg twice a day. My resting pulse was about 60 beats per minute, I was concerned about it going too low. Getting 1000s of premature beats daily, I increased it (with his consent) to 25 mg twice a day. The number of premature beats dropped to hundreds, and after awhile, dropped to less than 100 per day.

It may be best to visit your doctor, tell him/her your concerns about your premature beats, and you could ask if another Beta Blocker may help.

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   Posted 4/12/2014 10:35 AM (GMT -7)   
I suspect JR meant to say Bigeminy is  a state where your heart alternates one "normal" beat with one "premature" beat.
 
Trigeminy is a normal, normal, premature, normal, normal, premature.
 
I wish you all a good day.
 
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JungRulz
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   Posted 4/12/2014 3:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Oops, sorry. Bigeminy and trigeminy as Kitt explained. Thank you Kitt.

kristi27
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   Posted 4/12/2014 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you for your response. I still have these, sometimes they are three beats and a space and sometimes two beats and a space. I did look up the bi and trigeminy and this I guess is the same as a PAC. My doctor did say they were pac's and that 13% of the time was too many and he wanted to get them down but I have not been back. Sometimes I cannot feel them and sometimes I can, just wish they would go away. I feel comfort having people tell me their experiences with this. I feel more comfortable taking beta blockers than some of the other drugs, thank you much.

Maverick16
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   Posted 5/4/2014 9:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Boy i am the same!!!!! Having these for years they keep me up at night so lack of sleep triggers them. I am 53 had all the tests done imaginable about 5 years ago and it was normal took myself off metatoporo about 2 years ago did not like side effects have not been back to doctor since tests i guess i am overdo BP is 140/78 not to bad seems like i am ocd and have anxiet as i am always checking my pulse want to exercise bot sppoked about the PVC'S do you think i need to get the tests again? it has been 5 years?? Have had some anxiety attacks the past few months were at rest i feel my HR going fast for a few minutes then stop i guess that is what that is unless it is AFIB which i am not sure. Heart rate is good at rest around 60-70 these things come and go like the wind but the last few weeks have been bad again

bigemeni2
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   Posted 8/11/2016 5:43 PM (GMT -7)   
I too have bigeminy and am told by my ep doc that my heart is sound so not to worry, hard to do when these things put your anxiety on the roof, having a holter again tomorrow to see if they are worse, can't take beta blockers as heart rate drops to low.
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