Coughing and PVCs

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pvct
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   Posted 6/23/2014 10:13 AM (GMT -6)   
My bothersome pvcs are back. when I go out to exercise first thing in the morning, after a bad night of them, they ALMOST totally subside and my heart goes back to a normal sinus rhythm. However, they usually return in the evening, and most certainly, later at night and when I lay down to go to bed, or when I wake up in the morning.For years, when I would experience a scary run of PVCs, and it does not matter if I am sitting, or standing, if I COUGH, this action seems to correct the rhythm.

I have also wondered, if a delayed reaction to an upsetting situation can trigger an adrenaline rush to start up a long lasting duration of pvcs. Thanks idea

Miss spice bomb
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   Posted 6/23/2014 2:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello!
Ive been having a rough time with my PVC's today!!
I was stressed earlier! Pregnancy hormones i guess!
So i do think upsetting situations can bring them on.
I also have runs of them in a row with no regular heartbeat inbetween, and it automatically makes me cough and that corrects it!
It doesn't correct the bigeminal episodes I have though!
I decided to have a cup of coffee earlier, and now I'm convinced its set the critters off!
I had around 3 days with minimal PVC's and now they are back with a vengeance!! I really dont get how one minute they are gone then they come right back just when your beginning to relax!!
Bloody things!! Lol :-)
How long have you been living with yours??

JungRulz
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   Posted 6/23/2014 3:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Tom, I suspect it has to do with the Vagus Nerve and the parasympathetic nervous system and its control on the heart.

Both the Sympathetic Nervous System (causes the Fight or Flight response we all know so well) and the Parasympathetic Nervous System (counteracts the Sympathetic Nervous System's effects) have inputs at the heart. What one system does, the other undoes.

emedicine.medscape.com/article/1923077-overview#a1

For fight or flight, for example, the Sympathetic system increases your heart rate but decreases digestive activity. After the adversarial situation is over, the Parasympathetic system slows your heart rate and increases digestion.

Not quite answering your question, but an excellent article on the Valsalva Maneuver, follows.

www.ems1.com/ems-products/education/articles/397955-The-Valsalva-Maneuver/

There is a group of manipulations of various reflexes that may more generally be referred to as Vagal Maneuvers.

Some of them are discussed following. For the large part, anyone needing to use these procedures should have been instructed by a physician as to the advisability of any particular procedure, in any particular case, and dependent on other health conditions. Carotid artery massage (something only to be performed by Doctors and not as commonly used now) can loosen clots causing serious problems, pressing on the eyes may be a problem for people with retinal conditions, etc. In addition, some arrhythmias require medical attention. If someone were to use the Vagal or Valsalva maneuver to constantly break a run of ectopics, and not having been seen by a doctor, they might be masking a disorder that requires additional attention.

"Vagal maneuvers are another type of treatment for arrhythmia. These simple exercises sometimes can stop or slow down certain types of supraventricular arrhythmias. They do this by affecting the vagus nerve, which helps control the heart rate.

Some vagal maneuvers include:

Gagging
Holding your breath and bearing down (Valsalva maneuver)
Immersing your face in ice-cold water
Coughing
Putting your fingers on your eyelids and pressing down gently
Vagal maneuvers aren't an appropriate treatment for everyone. Discuss with your doctor whether vagal maneuvers are an option for you."

Yet coughing seems to be a natural response, I do it very often in response to patterns or long episodes of PVCs and have done so largely for the entire time (40 years) that I've experienced them. Although it's not as directly applicable to PVCs, it seems to work. I suspect it is related to altering the heart rate in such a manner that the normal discharge of the heart's natural pacemaker manages to occur at a time that prevents the ectopic focus from being able to discharge, i.e., it shifted the timing relationship. Rather like the situation in benign arrhythmias that go away on exertion since the heart's natural pacemaker is firing faster than the ectopic focus.

And a site I stumbled upon that may be of interest to you or others. As always, anyone reading any online articles must use discretion and be sure to consult with their doctor.

www.lifeoffbeat.com/stop-heart-palpitations-instantly/

www.lifeoffbeat.com/

Best health wishes and reduction in PVCs your way.

pvct
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   Posted 6/23/2014 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks Miss spice bomb for your reply.

I have had these PVCs for years, too many to remember, but not for a duration of time like this particular episode. just reading replies from others like yourself make me feel a whole lot less lonely out there. You would be surprised, or maybe you you wouldn't be, at how many people don't know what to say when you tell hem that you are experiencing these irregular beats.

anyway, thanks again for your reply, and good luck with your pregnancy. hope yours get less frequent soon. best to you.
pvct

pvct
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   Posted 6/23/2014 6:36 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks JungRulz for your indepth reply. I am comforted to always read from other members like yourself that suffer from these, what seem to be daily, and most certainly nightly displeasures. I am getting so I hate the feel of these things. I will check out the references you listed in your reply. I hope things are ok with you, and that your pvcs will subside. I have had doctors tell me to not worry, and basically 'live with it'. well, oh well. thanks again for your reply.
best to you
pvct

stkitt
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   Posted 6/24/2014 10:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi pvct,
 
Sounds like your still battling the PVCS but lets give 1 point to you and 1 point to the PVCS as you don't apprear quite  so anxious re these nasty little critters.
 
When PVCs happen during exercise, you may feel dizzy, feel your heart race or skip a beat. Sometimes exercisers will cough and this will stop the PVCs. Beginning exercisers may have PVCs, and it will resolve as you get into better shape. Experienced exercisers can have this happen too, especially coming off illness or a prior hard workout. Human beings are not robots and have different performance levels on different days. Healthy individuals with no heart disease that have occasional PVCs during a workout should not worry.
 
You may have shared this before, are you a diabetic or do you smoke?
 
When you are exercising you may not feel PVCS because your own heart rate rises and over rides the PVCS so they disappear during this time for some people.
 
I am sorry this is still a problem for you and do keep in touch with your Dr. as HealingWell cannot take the place of a medical professional.
 
Kindly,
Kitt
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stkitt
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   Posted 6/24/2014 10:54 AM (GMT -6)   
 
Delighted to see you here..........this is Kitt.
 
Palpitations during pregnancy  are understandable in that the state of pregnancy causes significant shifts in blood volume and also puts a new stress on the heart that may bring out a tendency for rapid heart action that was not manifest prior to pregnancy. After the pregnancy, you may not experience palpitations or may begin to see palpitations occur under other stressful circumstances. There certainly doesn't need to be anything wrong with the heart in order for palpitations to occur during pregnancy.
 
Remember I am not a Dr. and, because I want the best care for you, do stay in close contact with your Dr. If you think you are having a problem, seek medical attention immediately.
 
Meanwhile, I know you are looking forward to your new baby.
 
Hugs,
Kitt
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Miss spice bomb
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   Posted 6/24/2014 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi kitt!
Thank you for the kind words!
I'm almost 31 weeks pregnant now and ive surprised myself how much I've got through it with my ongoing arrhythmia.
I'm not on any anxiety medication anymore,and seem to be able to live with these heartbeats quite well.
A good few months ago i was a nervous wreck thinking i was gonna drop down dead from them!
I've come along way since then,and its helped alot to have the support of you,scaredy cat, and other kind people on this forum to speak to from time to time when things have been rough!
I'm looking forward to meeting my new baby boy soon!

Hope you are well and staying strong!
Take care xxx

pvct
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   Posted 6/24/2014 10:21 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks Kitt,

my PVCs come and go. today was better, and coughing does seem to help me when i get a run of them. my Doctors are the ones that I always rely on. but this is a very nice support forum. thanks for your reply. :-)
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