Need opinion(s) about interesting echo results 2012 vs. 2014

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sfeinbe
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   Posted 9/10/2014 3:49 PM (GMT -6)   
My lastest echo results seem to show some interesting differences from my 2012 results. Take a look:
January 2012 page 1 of 2
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January 2012 page 2 of 2
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August 2014 page 1 of 2
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August 2014 page 2 of 2
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What's your opinion about the differences, especially regarding the Aortic valve and the EF?

JungRulz
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   Posted 9/20/2014 5:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi sfeinbe,

Welcome to HealingWell.

There aren't many here to formally discuss your test results, there would be a problem with doing so even for Doctors and other medical professionals without having examined you in person. I'm using a tablet computer, it is cumbersome to visit the images and try to remember the values when going from 2012 to 2014 results.

A more direct way to put your concern would be to write the values of interest here, transcribed from your records, and offer the links to the images in support of your question. For the 2012 Echo, I don't see the EF Listed. The 2014 Echo lists it as 58%, which is pretty good, and doesn't discuss degeneration of your Aortic Valve, as was discussed in the 2012 Echo.

Test results are often not the final factor, they are often values and findings based on an educated assessment of conditions in a less than perfect world, this is why your doctor needs to make the assessment on how those findings pertain to you.

In heart rates this principle is easily demonstrated. Anything below 60 is considered Bradycardia. As we age, the S/A node may fail to keep the heart running fast enough, the function being supplied by the A/V node, at half the normal rate, if the S/A node fails. An older patient presenting to their doctor as being extremely tired, run down, and is discovered to have a resting pulse of 42 may be given a Pacemaker to restore normal functioning of the heart. Yet an adolescent or athlete, presenting to the doctor with normal energy (say for a physical) and discovered to have a heart rate of 42, may be quite normal. They still have Bradycardia, but the significance of it varies by patient.
"You are what you do, not what you say you'll do"
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sfeinbe
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   Posted 9/20/2014 6:24 AM (GMT -6)   
JungRulz wrote: "A more direct way to put your concern would be to write the values of interest here, transcribed from your records, and offer the links to the images in support of your question. For the 2012 Echo, I don't see the EF Listed. The 2014 Echo lists it as 58%, which is pretty good, and doesn't discuss degeneration of your Aortic Valve, as was discussed in the 2012 Echo."

If you look on page 1 of the 2012 results you'll see, under the Aortic Valve column heading, an LVEF (Left Ventricle Ejection Fraction) listed as 58%. On page 1 of the 2014 results, the 58% value is listed in the row (not column) heading of "Previous Echo." The new Ejection Fraction results for 2014 is under the column heading Aortic Valve and the row heading LVEF as 67%. That means that my ejection fraction has INCREASED by 9 percentage points (58 to 67 percent) since 2012!

There are other interesting differences between the 2012 and 2014 echo tests. For example, on page one of the 2012 report it says, "Pressure halftime is 264 milliseconds," for the Aortic Valve. On page two of the 2014 report it says, "Pressure halftime is 366 milliseconds," for the Aortic Valve. I looked it up. Higher halftime numbers are BETTER for the aortic valve!

It gets more interesting. Page two of the 2012 report says, "Concentric left ventricle hypertrophy." On page one of the 2014 report it says, "Left ventricle size is normal..." It went from hypertrophy to NORMAL!!

In addition to all this are values not shown in the results. For example, systolic blood pressure values are elevated for aortic valve regurge problems and usually rise over time. Mine has gone DOWN! My systolic values are generally between 114 and 123 (I take them myself). My resting pulse has also dropped to about the 49 - 55 range! That, in conjunction with a higher Ejection Fraction, loss of left ventricle hypertrophy, and lowered blood pressure, is probably the result of a training effect (and other lifestyle changes I've made) NOT a degradation.

Those are some reasons I wanted someone to look them over. It shows a pattern of IMPROVEMENT, at least to my eyes, where all I've been told is that things are going to get worse as far as my aortic valve problems go. I just wanted to see if others, who knew how to read these tests, see the same things as I've just described and see the IMPROVEMENTS that shouldn't be happening, at least according to standard thinking.

NOTE: I don't use any drugs, prescription or non-prescription, nor have I had any surgery related to these issues. In short: no bio-medical interventions to cause these changes at all.

Lanie G
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   Posted 9/20/2014 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
sfeinbe, please see your cardiologist for answers and interpretations. No one here is a doctor.
Lanie

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sfeinbe
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   Posted 9/20/2014 9:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I noticed in your post, LanieG, that you are the diabetes moderator. I reversed my type 2 diabetes with diet and food supplements in less than a year. I lowered LDL cholesterol by 40 percent (from 120 to 72) in less than three months back in early 2004 as you can see here:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e275/sjfeinbe/cinnamon/article1.jpg

My cardiologist called the drop "spectacular" in the article. But that was only after he at first evinced no curiosity and even thought it was just some kind of fluke. He does that.

Since I rarely take his advice or use his drugs, he doesn't know quite what to make of me. He tells me to write a book about what I've done, yet anything I do that's new and out of the ordinary, meets with little curiosity. Including an echo that may be hard to swallow given that symptoms from a valve problems are progressive, do not improve as mine have done.

So I offered this as evidence that it's possible to stop or even reverse some symptoms of valve issues that cardiologists say can't be stopped or reversed. Just as I've reversed type 2 diabetes without ever taking drugs, just as I've adjusted my cholesterol without drugs, just as I've virtually eliminated problems from advanced osteoarthritis (no cartilage) in my knees without help from a doctor and his drugs/surgery...and more!

It can be done. One sometimes has to seek answers and interpretations from sources that aren't always drug pushers. So I offered my echo results just to demonstrate that perhaps inevitable progression may need a rewrite.

I solicited opinions to get people to think about the possible, given evidence that contradicts prevailing, expert opinion about valve disease progression. That's all.

sfeinbe
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   Posted 9/21/2014 6:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Just to give further context to what I've already stated I want to make my accomplishments a little more clear by quoting a list I just emailed to a friend:

-I reversed type II diabetes on my own
-I conquered my cholesterol problems on my own, without drugs
-I improved my aortic heart valve symptoms (according to my latest echo), without help from my doctor as standard thinking is that it's progressive and can't be improved
-I am no longer borderline hypertensive; did it on my own without drugs
-I put an extreme hemorrhoid problem into complete remission on my own when the best expert in town said I'd need surgery
-I put anal pruritus into complete remission on my own when that same expert said I'd have it for the rest of my life
-I have advanced osteoarthritis (no cartilage in either knee), yet because of exercises I got from a chiropractor I have no pain or inflammation, despite standard thinking that only pain pills or knee replacement surgery can reduce or eliminate symptoms. Not even standard physical therapy can produce my complete lack of symptoms from my knees.
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