TOO MANY PALPS

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2manypalps
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   Posted 4/18/2015 5:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Someone please help! Im 44 yo female suffering with 24/7 flutters. I get about 3-5 per minute. Sometimes they last 3 days & I'll get a break anywhere from 2-10 days with a flutter here & there. I have no other symptoms. I've had a stress test, echocardiogram, holter monitor & numerous EKG's as well as ER trips. Cardiologist said a year ago I do have a slight irregular heartbeat but not dangerous. Since then I've been back to see him & he swears it's anxiety. I just don't understand how anxiety can cause non stop fluttering. I hate going to sleep with this & waking up to it. It's totally controlling my life. I'm scared to death I'm going to have a heart attack or stroke because from MY research; I'm seeing cardiac arrest & strokes are very possible regardless what they're from because the hearts working too hard. I was prescribed Toprol 25mg beta blocker but I'm scared to take it. Can anyone please please enlighten me?!?? The constant flutters every single awake moment is creating severe anxiety NOT vice versa. Thanks in advance. **No drugs, no alcohol use**

theHTreturns...
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   Posted 4/19/2015 5:13 AM (GMT -6)   
if the medication has been prescribed...........then take it!!!! the blocker will help and is there to help with heart attacks and stroke not occuring. listen to your cardiologist. like 9 yrs of medical school, practice and specializing. i think some coping skills will help. distraction techniques etc. many healing thoughts.

please note. i was only being strong as i have known people who have had strokes etc from not taking there medication. some i have known who have also died from not taking prescribed medication. i have had a heart attack and surgery. i take my meds compliantly.

welcome to the forum. ps. i have GAD, so i understand anxiety. anxiety from symptoms you are experiencing are very common. deep breathing exercises will slow the heart if it is going a bit quick. you have had all the tests. i would, bar the flutters feel confident that you are okay. don't let it become a viscious cycle of anxiety and fear. now take ya meds. please.
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Post Edited (THE HAPPY TURTLE) : 4/19/2015 5:40:03 AM (GMT-6)


kazbern
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   Posted 4/19/2015 9:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I have non-stop palpitations also. There is another thread not to far down from this one with really helpful links about PVCs and PACs. They are not dangerous.

Mine are really annoying, too, and sometimes even painful. I'm about to go through another round of echo/stress test etc. (wore the monitor a few weeks ago). I have asthma so beta blockers are not really an option for me, but I might choose to medicate with a different med just because they are so darn annoying.

When they first started for me I did get frightened by them, but I did a little reading. They are not harmful. Really. I am not at elevated risk for cardiovascular disease, but I know my dad has an arrhythmia that he now medicates and I suppose that will be my fate also. My dad is turning 79 this summer and he is doing fine.

I have no known cause for my palps either. I don't drink, I have one cup of tea per day, I don't smoke, I am not stressed.

One thing that I do find helpful is exercise. I'm not finding enough time in my life for regular exercise and I need to fix that, but I have found that if I do a reasonable amount of aerobic exercise the palps get less annoying.

Hope you find this helpful.
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jdiane
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   Posted 4/20/2015 6:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Why are you afraid of the beta-blocker? I think cardiologists think beta blockers and aspirin should be in the water.....

I have palpitations all the time too. I do have a structural issue (CHD, Prosthetic aortic valve, TAA), but my palps are benign. You can't live much of a life worrying all the time, and it won't change the outcome. If you don't believe your doctor, find a doctor you trust. If you can't trust any of them, then it might not be the docs....

I bumped my exercise up to at least 1 hour a day, 5-6 days a week and it really made a difference. I also make sure to drink my coffee at the same time everyday and limit to 2 cups. Both have helped to decrease my palpitations.

Good luck!

neil2524
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   Posted 4/20/2015 2:35 PM (GMT -6)   
agree with jdiane, i have asthma and take beta blockers and find i can manage them well, imo you need to take the meds and they will help, i can have thousands of pacs pvcs some days and they are bloomin awful,but anxiety can make them worse, i hope all the posts are some help to you, take care
had heart valve surgery 2008. replaced with a nice porky pig one

JungRulz
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   Posted Yesterday 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi 2Manypalps,

Heart attacks, known more formally as Myocardial Infarctions, or MI, occur because of an insufficiency of blood to an area of your heart. This is usually caused by Atherosclerosis (fat accumulation in the vessels of the heart, or a clot that breaks free elsewhere in the body and causes a clot). Rhythm disorders are common, and though can sometimes be indicative of problems with blood circulation to the heart, most often are found in otherwise healthy hearts.

Anxiety. Well, anxiety creates adrenaline, and adrenaline can cause the extra beats, missed beats, flutters, etc. To much adrenaline for too long, weeks to months, causes too much Catecholamines in the blood.

"Included among catecholamines are: epinephrine (adrenaline), norepinephrine (noradrenaline) and dopamine

"Catecholamines cause general physiological changes that prepare the body for physical activity (fight-or-flight response). Some typical effects are increases in heart rate, blood pressure, blood glucose levels, and a general reaction of the sympathetic nervous system."

There is a constant struggle in the body between the sympathetic (speeds up the heart) and parasympathetic (slows down the heart) nervous systems. As can be seen above, adrenaline effects the Sympathetic Nervous System.

At my peak last year, I had 6000 PVCs/24 hrs. That's 5/min if averaged over 24 hours, but thankfully I didn't get them at night, so that was more than 5/min during the day. This went on, slightly diminishing to 4000/day, before the finally went back to my lifetime usual of sporadic, less than 100/day.

I saw a cardiologist and 2 Electrophysiologists. The cardiologist said that I'd have to have nearly 20,000/day over a period of time before it was a concern for weakening, eventually, of the heart muscle.

Some links that helped me:

www.drjohnm.org/2013/06/benign-pvcs-a-heart-rhythm-doctors-approach/

www.lifeoffbeat.com/

Anyone not experiencing heart rhythm issues, such as frequent PVCs, should see their doctor when they first start. Anyone that is accustomed to experiencing them, and notices they've worsened, should also see their doctor. Presumably you've had blood tests, and you've had quite a few EKG tests, you should feel very confident about your condition.

If you have been prescribed Toprol to help alleviate your symptoms, but have not taken it yet, you could consider only taking 1/2 of it to start. Beta Blockers are considered very safe medications, of all the medications used to treat heart rhythm irregularities, and are well tolerated. Some people have even been prescribed Beta Blockers for certain anxiety situations.

Daizy35
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Date Joined Dec 2009
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   Posted 5/2/2015 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you tried looking at external causes, such as EMF, WIFI,
switching off electricity at mains at night, no tv in bedrooms,
TVs, PCs, foods, detergents, shampoos (yes, I know someone who
suffered from this. His palpitations went away), drugs, medications,
etc... There is always a cause, when doctors don't bother, they put it
down to stress!!

Crazybeats40
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   Posted 5/6/2015 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I am 40 and also suffer from GAD, panic, and awful frequent palpitations. I understand that you're nervous about the beta blocker. I hate taking the meds too, so I actually half or even quarter my dose. You can always start small and work your way up. You also may me perimenopausal which makes them worse. Try the beta blocker at a half dose when you have a flare up. See if it works. I take acebutolol for mine. Starting dose is 200mg, but I have taken much less and found it helps take the edge off without the side effects.

TinaMckey
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   Posted 1/24/2016 1:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm 26 years old, and have palpitations for a couple of years now. Tried different therapies and found that natural ones work for me the best. I try to avoid any kind of medications. Mine are connected to my anxiety problem.

Here are some useful resources i found on the web.

www.reddit.com/r/Anxiety/

www.heartpalpitations.org/
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