Anyone had a subintimal plaque modification procedure

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Juby60
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   Posted 8/29/2018 3:34 PM (GMT -6)   
I just had a PCI and it showed one completely blocked artery that had grown new arteries around it. They couldn't put a stent in at the time but said my heart was strong and my EF is 57. I was put on some medication to stop chest pains but they said if I had chest pains I could have a subintimal plaque modification procedure. I'm trying to find out about this procedure and have to wait two weeks to talk to my doctor about it.

If anyone knows anything about this procedure I would appreciate your input on it.

Dave26
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   Posted 8/29/2018 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I am a 79 year old man, retired Navy Pilot and retired Airline Pilot. I live in SE Pennsylvania. Married with 3 boys, 3 grandchildren, one great grandchild.

I have lost all of my Calcium Plaque and most of my body pain with a Vitamin.

My golf buddy, Al, is retired Air Force and he and I took a lot of golf trips. Two years ago he and I both experienced a heart problem and before we had heart attacks we each had 2 heart stents installed in our main heart artery, the LAD, the 'Widow Maker.'

We were lucky our cardiologist caught the problem before the severe artery blockage killed us.
For both of us the blockage was Calcium, not cholesterol. We don't take Statins. And we had different heart surgeons but the surgeons said the same thing, 'Cholesterol doesn't matter, it is Calcium that blocks your main heart arteries and kills you." My symptoms appeared on the golf course, 17th hole. I suddenly could not coordinate a swing and when I hit the ball it dribbled 20 feet. I put my clubs away and rode the cart with my son to our car. Putting the clubs in the car I experienced a weird 'Needles in my Chest" sensation. Similar to when we would go on a 5 mile run on a hot day in the Navy at Pensacola. But I had been playing golf, not running 5 miles. I went to the ER and the first doc said there was nothing wrong with me and sent me home. The next week I had the same sensations and went back to the ER. There was a different doc and She examined me and said that my EKG, blood gases, X-Ray, etc was normal but she was certain I had a blocked artery and "If I send you home you will probably die." Sharp Lady. She saved my life. The Blocked Artery was the LAD.

Al had a similar event two months later.

Al and I both asked our surgeons what we could do to remove the Calcium Plaque and both surgeons said, "Nothing. There is no medicine that will remove calcium plaque." There is a operation, very expensive where the surgeon goes in and uses a tiny diamond drill and he cuts the calcium out and a small hose attached to the drill sucks the calcium out of the artery. Insurance won't pay for the operation and it is dangerous.

My heart surgeon said my LAD artery was 80% blocked with Calcium. The remaining heart arteries were all blocked 65% with calcium. A lesion had burst through the plaque and was blocking my LAD artery. I nearly died. The Surgeon installed two stents to cover the nasty gunk from the lesion and sent me home.

Al and I would not accept the 'Nothing' and began some research. Right away we found two studies on removing calcium from our body's blood vessels and soft tissue. And in the process the errant Calcium is placed in the bone matrix, strengthening the bones.

One was done in Poland the other in Germany. They were both published on our govt NIH Publications site. You can find them with a google search; the first 'Proper Calcium Use: Vitamin K2 as a Promoter of Bone and Cardiovascular Health" The other is called, "The Rotterdam Study". Don't expect to see one in the U.S. News of a 25 cent vitamin pill that does more for the heart than a 2 dollar, 20 Billion Dollar Drug Company market for Statins. Later we found a book by Dr Dennis Goodman that explains why heart disease has been steadily increasing in the U.S. because of a lack of Vitamin K2 in our diet. Good book only 250 pages. I highly recommend it.

Anyway, Al and I took Vitamin K2 as MK7 for 6 months and then had a Calcium Score and our Arteries were clear of Calcium Plaque. Our Cardiologist were stunned. My 80% Calcium Block was gone. The stents were still there but no Calcium. Only a trace, 'smear' of calcium in one artery. My cardiologist was astonished when he told me 'I WAS CLEAN.'

We purchased the MK7 pills at Amazon. one MK7 pill we took and it worked. On Amazon they sell about 20 different brands of Vitamin K2 as MK7. We use the MK7 version of Vitamin K2 because it stays in our system longer doing its work. We used two different versions/manufacturers of K2, MK7. One is labled simply "MK7" by Jarrow in a yellow bottle. The other is Vitamin K2, MK7 in a black label, 100 mcg packed in Coconut oil.

Take it easy on vitamin D, one small dose a day is sufficient. Too much D encourages your bones to give up too much calcium. Doctor Goodman explains. Never take a calcium supplement, they increase by 50% your chances for a heart attack.

Sugar and Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil like Crisco are also irritants to your blood veins and arteries and cause lesions (pimples) on the arterial walls. Use Olive Oil for cooking and salad dressings.

I take two MK7 pills every morning as soon as I wake while my stomach is empty and acidic so the pill will dissolve in my stomach and make it into my system. Two more before lunch and two before dinner. Like most vitamins and antibiotic medications, we pee them out of our system in 2 to 3 hours. During WW2 it was the first time Penicillin was used to fight and prevent infections that had been a huge killer in WW1. When the military hospitals were running out of the wonder drug they began collecting the urine of the patients who had been treated with Penicillin and their chemist extracted the Penicillin from the urine and the doctors treated patients with it. Worked great. So, even though we pee away most supplements we still take them and instead of trying to recover the drug from the pee we just take more spaced over time and benefit from it. My Navy Flight Surgeon told us this story in a lecture. I still think he was the best doctor I have ever encountered. I stay in touch with him still and he is now taking Vitamin K2.

Not only did Vitamin K2 remove the Calcium Plaque from my arteries but also from capillaries in my arms and legs. Doctors will tell you that as you age your blood vessels will harden with age and there is nothing you can do about it. And that is BS. Veins and Arteries harden because they are clogged with Calcium Plaque. K2 will remove the calcium from the smallest vein. I was having red circles appear on my lower legs and the doctor could only offer sympathy but said it was just the process of growing old. Well I proved that sucker wrong. Since taking daily supplements of K2, no more broken blood vessels in my legs. And, I stopped passing kidney stones.

Most of my shoulder, wrist, ankle and knee pain was caused by calcium deposits in the soft tissue. K2 cleaned them out and the pain went away. I turned 79 in June and am starting to play golf again, painless.

This vitamin is also good for your beautiful wife and your kids and grandkids. It builds strong bones, better than dairy products.

Get your calcium score to find out how much calcium plaque there is in your heart. The score usually includes your chance of a heart attack in the next two years. Calcium scores are well worth the hundred bucks they cost.
Best of luck.
I will try to answer all questions you may have. Remember, I am a pilot, not a doctor.

Dave

Dave26
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   Posted 8/29/2018 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I asked a buddy to read my post (above) and he pointed out some possible questions. First the book by Dr Dennis Goodman, M.D. titled: "Vitamin K2: The Missing Nutrient for Heart and Bone Health." And it only has 88 pages, not 250 as I said in my first post.
Then, having a Calcium Score if you have Stents. Usually the cardiologist associated with the X-Ray facility, in my case it was the local hospital, does the Calcium Score. The Scoring Cardiologist will count the Stents as Calcium. They both show up as Bright White on the X-Ray film and the viewing Cardiologist cannot tell the difference so he counted my Stents as Calcium and reported my Score as 1130. Zero to 400 is considered normal. My buddy had 3,500 for his first Score before he had Stents. So it is important that you review the Calcium Score X-Ray film (it is a motion picture) with your cardiologist. My new Cardiologist reviewed my 1130 Calcium Score Film and laughed. He said there were two tiny spots of Calcium but the 1130 score counted the two long Stents in my Heart LAD Artery. Every X-Ray facility will give you a copy of the film on a CD if you tell the technician you need to take the film to your doctor. At home you can run the film on your home computer. I did mine using Windows 10. Hope this helps.
Dave

Juby60
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   Posted 9/13/2018 4:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Dave26 for all of this interesting information. My brother is following your advice about the vitamin K2 and taking it now. He just had two stents a couple of weeks ago for a completely blocked artery so he hasn't had the calcium score yet. He also has two arteries that are 40% blocked. He is only 55 years old.
What I wrote about the subintimal plaque modification procedure was for him. I shouldn't have wrote it as if it was for myself. Sorry.
Juby60

Post Edited (Juby60) : 9/13/2018 3:24:43 PM (GMT-6)


straydog
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   Posted 9/14/2018 7:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Juby if your brother is on a blood thinner such as Warfarin he needs to stay away from vitamin K. Vitamin K coagulates the blood & this would put him at risk.
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Juby60
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   Posted Yesterday 3:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Dave26 Were you or your friend on a blood thinner while taking the vitamin K2? I have read that you can take vitamin K2 with a blood thinner but also read that you shouldn't take it with a blood thinner. I know if you take a blood thinner for too long it will cause plaque build up. My son is going to ask his doctor how long he will have to stay on the blood thinner.

Juby60

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   Posted Yesterday 9:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Juby, my husband has been on warfarin for several years & no only did his dr tell him not to take vitamin K but it tells you this on the printout. Also many of the leafy greens are to be avoided too.
Susie
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