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krash
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   Posted 6/26/2006 2:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi everyone.
 
Brand new here...
 
I have recently been advised by my Doctor that my cholesterol level requires attention.   It is 236. LLD is too high.  HLD not high enough.
 
He is concerned because of my family history.  My father had his 1st heart attack at 42 and a fatal heart attack at 53.  He wants me to take Lipitor, Zocor, Crestor or any statin for that matter.
 
I really don't want to take a statin. I am trying to get information on alternative approaches, and have tried everywhere.
 
I was doing research and stumbled upon some alternatives to statins.
 
Anyone have any experience with Cholestasys or Cholestapro?  They are basically like vitamens, but the makers claim that they reduce cholesterol levels as much as 30 points in 30 days.
 
By the way, I am 42. Same age as my father when he had his 1st heart attack.  However, unlike my father, I consider myself to be in fantastic shape.  I am 5'10'' 175 lbs.  I have 6 pack abs and a 34" inch waist.  I work out every other day (60 push ups, 3 sets of 40 stomach crunches, planks, various other excercises, plus I lift weights. I have worked out every other day for a decade now... I recently had EKG/Stress tests and came out with flying colors.
 
I am concerned about my cholesterol, but really don't want to take a statin. 
 
Any feedback on Cholestasys or Cholestapro would be greatly appreciated.

els
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   Posted 6/27/2006 7:48 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi krash,  Welcome to healing well forum.  We are happy to have you.  Cholesterol level's can be frustrating and difficult to control.  I dont have problems with cholesterol but I have a friend who's level is in the 400's (pretty high huh?).  I dont recall anyone discussing the type of meds your inquiring about here but hopefully someone will post a reply for you in regards to it.  Take care


 


deltacece
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   Posted 6/27/2006 9:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Welcome to the HW Krash. Sounds like you are doing alot of the right things to be healthy. Statins are costly and can have alot of bad side effects. If you can find a way to reduce your chol. great but do something, with a family history and a high chol, level now could cause problems later. Good luck and i'll keep you in my prayers. DELTA

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Aldo
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   Posted 6/28/2006 6:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Krash, I have spent a fortune on cholesterol lowering supplemests but none have helped. I cannot tolerate statins or fenofibrates at all. They attack my muscles and peripheral nerves.

Here are my cholesterol values from Monday:

Total C =366
HDL =47
Triglycerides =919
LDL =cannot be measured unless your triglycerides are <400. BUT they have a fairly new test that is called direct LDL measurement for people with high triglycerides. They were supposed to perform this test, but did not. They are supposed to do the test again on the same blood sample and call me back. I think it is a pretty forgone conclusion that your LDL is high, when you have these triglyceride numbers. Not quite sure there.

I would try the best supplements, watch the saturated fats, exercise and maintain a healthy lifestyle. Some medicines and/or alcohol can increase cholesterol and tryglycerides. Myself, I have bad genes that cause Hyperlipidemia. I have had a heart attack and 2 light strokes. Light because I lived, I think, lol.

Good luck,

Rj

DREAMGIRL
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   Posted 6/28/2006 12:31 PM (GMT -7)   
:-)  hi ther. i have some experience with the statins, and i just cannot tolerate them, however, i have male friends that have been quite successful on them.  i am a female that has taken great care of myself with no other health problems, a stress test showed i was in 60% better condition that most women in my age group.  then bamm, i found out i had coronary artery disease and had two stents placed.  so here would be my 10 cents for you.  try lipitor first and see how you do on it, give it about 6 months, it is not going to hurt you, pay attention to your muscles and any new aches or pains.  if you do not have any, stay on them, i wish i could take them but they make my muscles sore and weak.  actually your cholesteral of 236 isn't that awful, but if you good cholesteral is not at least 45, and your triglycerides are haiger tha lets say about 150, then that would be cause to stay on those statins.sounds like you are doing everything right, thats the part that bumms me out, but we just inherited the problem.  good luck.  have you started taking a baby aspirin everday, with food, just for a precaution? that will keep your blood thin  bye for now.

krash
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   Posted 6/29/2006 5:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks everyone.  I am taking a baby aspirin every day.  I am going to try the supplements for now.  I am going to give them 3 months and get a blood test.
 
I am really into physical fitness and weight lifting. I'm concerned that the statins will have a negative impact on my life style. Ironically, they might improve my cholesterol levels, but at the same time, I might end up getting soft and out of shape, and then end up in worse condition in the long run. 

Aldo
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   Posted 6/29/2006 7:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes and statins can kill you, or make you wish that you were dead :(

els
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   Posted 6/30/2006 7:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Aldo said...
Total C =366
HDL =47
Triglycerides =919
LDL =cannot be measured unless your triglycerides are <400. BUT they have a fairly new test that is called direct LDL measurement for people with high triglycerides. They were supposed to perform this test, but did not. They are supposed to do the test again on the same blood sample and call me back. I think it is a pretty forgone conclusion that your LDL is high, when you have these triglyceride numbers.
Aldo, thank you for posting this...I havent done much research on this yet but as I said my friend who is 33yr old male had an annual physical done and his numbers came back as Chol was 415 and Triglycerides were in the 1400's (I dont recall the exact number he said).  The doctor has put him on several medications to try to lower these numbers and recommended exercise and diet modification.  The problem is that he has Bipolar disorder and has gained some weight since being on his medications for this and has no motivation what so ever to exercise.  I fear that he will end up having a heart attack or stroke.  How effective in lowering these numbers are the meds without changing lifestyle? 


 


Aldo
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   Posted 6/30/2006 10:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Elisha :)

I got my LDL direct results back, = 155.

The medicine that was most used to lower triglycerides was and probably is still Tricor, which is a fenofibrate that carries the very same warnings as statins. Another in the Tricor class is Gemfibrozil (sp?). Triglycerides >1000 carry a risk of causing pancreatitis (deadly) along with heart disease. They aggressively try to get it under 1000.

He needs to try a statin to lower his LDL and total c. The trouble is....taking both of these medicines can and does increase the liklihood of adverse reactions. I took both for awhile. Tricor much longer because I had to get the tri's down. I truly believe it caused peripheral neuropathy in myself. This is documented to happen with either statins or tricor. It's kinda hidden but you can find it. I would start hurting so bad that I would have to stop the tricor for 2-3 weeks. I took a statin called Baycol,with tricor which was a definite no-no. Baycol was removed from the market because of too many deaths due to rhabdomyolsis. Crestor is now the number one bad statin. People are trying to get it off the market. I tried it when it came out and wham......It put me out!

No alcohol at all for him. It will increase the tris!!

Good day :)

Rj

DREAMGIRL
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   Posted 6/30/2006 5:08 PM (GMT -7)   
:-)  WOW ALDO, THOSE ARE SOME HIGH TRIG #'S. YOU SAID NOW YOUR LDL IS DOWN TO 155, THAT IS GREAT.  TRICOR SOUNDS SCARIER THAN STATINS TO ME.  ELS, MY DAUGHTER IS LIKE YOUR FRIEND, SHE HAS MENTAL ILLNESS AND HER MEDS HAVE CAUSED HER TO GO FROM 145 TO 240 , I AM VERY AFRAID FOR HER. SHE DOES GET OUT AND EXCERSIZE EVERDAY, BUT THOSE MEDS ARE JUST A REAL PROBLEM FOR MOST PEOPLE AS FAR AS THE WEIGHT.

els
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   Posted 7/1/2006 3:33 AM (GMT -7)   

Thank you Aldo, I asked him yesterday and he is on Tricor.  His doctor who used to be a NASA scientist, ordered another blood draw for three weeks after he has been on the med.  He went and did that last week but hasn't gotten the results back yet.  I was just shocked when he told me how high his numbers were...

Dreamy - Yes, all those meds are terrible for putting on weight and it is almost impossible to get it off.  It is almost like giving you the option of living with a terrible mental illness or developing complications from the weight gain and multiple medications...which is better?  I don't know...


 


Aldo
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   Posted 7/1/2006 11:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Dreamg. My LDL is way too high.
I am sorry to hear about your daughter. As E says she needs to work hard at getting it off. Hope you are well :)

Elisha, I forgot to mention yesterday, that of course your friend needs to adapt to a healthy diet and lifestyle in an attempt to lower his lipids. Yet, it appears that he has some bad genes like myself and immediately requires medicine. Tell him to take a look at a club that he does not want to join. It is a condition known as the Metabolic X Syndrome, and of which I am an unproud member. I have proved the statistics are true. Wow, that's depressing, lol.

Happy 4th of July to all :)

Rj

els
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   Posted 7/2/2006 3:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Thnks RJ, For the information - happy 4th to you all too tongue

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DREAMGIRL
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   Posted 7/2/2006 4:34 PM (GMT -7)   
:-)  Happy 4th to you all also.  hey Aldo, my ldl is 199 but my total is 283. my hdl is 63 and my tri's are 99, so as you can see, i have one number out of whack, i am hoping the others will save me from catastrophy.

nofx78
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   Posted 7/4/2006 2:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I have family history aswell. Im of south asian decent which has 4xs higher risk than rest of population. My cholestrol was high. Particularly Triglycerides. My LDL was in 140 range, so my dr. put me on 10 mg lipitor. That is doing well and got me down to close to 100ish. My trigs were still high, HDL was ok. So my doctor was going to put me on tricor, but I was concerned with liver issues with too many drugs. I did research on high trigs, (just google high trigs and you get a wealth of information). Go to the american heart assocations website and look what they recomend for high trigs-- Omega 3 fatty acids. Safe on liver! you need 2-4 grams of EPA and DHA. so when you go to the store, look for the best one with highest amount of EPA and DHA. I myself, was taking costco fish oil-- but later was put on Omacor (same stuff as the store bought, but more purified) and got my trigs down from about 500 to 59!! and its natural so doesnt interact with lipitor. tongue

whoa182
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   Posted 7/5/2006 3:53 AM (GMT -7)   
I think diet is the best way to go about it

1) stop eating refined products and high glycemic foods
2) Lots of vegetables, at least 10 per day, Broccoli, spinach, Red onions, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, green beans and so on...
3) upto 5 fruits per day, blueberries, strawberries, red apples to name a few
4) Drink 5 cups of green tea
5) Eat fish like salmon at least twice a week
6) Daily exercise
7) Eat legumes (beans)
8) Eat nuts, almonds and walnuts
9) Porridge (oats)
10) The most important, EAT LESS!

Follow the link below and read

Calorie Restriction Drastically Reduces Risk of Heart Attack, Stroke and Diabetes
http://www.ubiomed.com/newsArticle.asp?nId=75985&cId=269

I got my Cholesterol to what it is purely by eating healthily and consuming less calories. Dietary restriction is SO powerful, even if one has a genetic predisposition to high cholesterol. PM me if you would like more details on CR.

I also have a family history of heart trouble, but guess what? They all eat the same crap and don't eat properly. We are always looking for different causes of high cholesterol such as genetics. But with diet you 'CAN' control it without medication.
Blood Pressure = 90/60
Total Cholesterol = 120mg (3.1)
HDL cholesterol = 46mg/dl
LDL cholesterol = 65mg/dl
Triglycerides = 35mg/dl

Post Edited (whoa182) : 7/5/2006 4:59:21 AM (GMT-6)


els
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   Posted 7/5/2006 8:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Okay family history...I am of Italian dissent on both sides 100%.  Both mother and fathers family history has heart disease and defects that go way back.  I have never done the research on it as far as nationality goes but, I do know that most if not all foods that my g-ma makes is heavy with fat and artery clogging grease.  Something to think about

Elisha

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Aldo
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   Posted 7/6/2006 7:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Elisha :)

There is a clan in Italy that is going to save us from heart disease. I am sure that you have heard the report of the large extended family that are all consuming fats, are overweight and do not exercise. NONE get heart disease.

They found a super HDL in these people. I think it is called Apo Millano, or Apo-1 Millano...I used to know. This is the shame; control of this research to develop the synthetic HDL is being "controlled" by one company, somehow. This sounds like a dark thing and it is.

This "super HDL" can be injected intravenously and will remove arterial plaque. It is being tested as we speak, but all is hush hush. The Cleveland Clinic is even doing clinical trial work I think. You have to be a member of the CIA to get info.

Imagine the Trillions of dollars at stake......

els
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   Posted 7/7/2006 4:33 AM (GMT -7)   
No I have never heard of that RJ...interesting.  Funny thing is that my great-grandmother who came over here from Italy (small town near Rome, Terni) never had a health problem in her life.  Not even a cold.  She used to hang sausages in her basement...lol! but she was overweight and cooked all those very fattening dishes all the time that we only make now on special occasions for that reason alone.  She didn’t get much exercise, just walking to the corner market and to her church, which was 2 blocks away.  She used to say that garlic cured everything...maybe it does? tongue

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DREAMGIRL
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   Posted 7/7/2006 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
:-)  well, i too am of the italian heritage,my mother was born in naples, so i am first generation here, she lived a long life (til 80) then her 50 years of smoking caught up with her, i do not think my cholesteral issues are on her side, my father was irish, did all the things i do not do that are bad for your health, i just think some of us are going to have certain illnesses. when i went to italy a few years back everyone drinks wine all day long  that is probably what keeps them healthy, i think i will go have a glass, CAIO

Santoz
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   Posted 7/7/2006 11:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Krash,

It is water soluble fiber made from citrus pectin and guar gum. I'm currently using it. You must drink it 3 times per day. Apparently, there is some actual research that backs up the product's claims.

My total cholesterol was down a few points on my last blood test. My triglycerides were way down, almost 200 points, to almost normal. However, my HDL is still low and my LDL is still a little high.

However, I am 1) a smoker 2) lax in my exercise & 3) a newly diagnosed T2 diabetic & 4) I had only been taking ProFibe a month before my test.

I have been exercising more, I am getting my BG levels under control, so I expect my numbers to be better on my next blood test. Of course, I also have plans to quit smoking.


You may also want to consider Niacin. There is solid clinical evidence for Niacin, but I believe you need to take a fairly large dose for it to be effective; and there are side effects, so do a lot of research on that product if you decide to go that route.

Unfortunately, Niacin can raise blood sugar, so it's not an option for me.

Santoz, I have had to edit your post as it violates forum rules and guidelines #4 of no advertising or spamming.  Please become familiar with the forum rules before posting.  Thank you ~ Elisha http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=46&m=106997

Post Edited By Moderator (els) : 7/9/2006 5:55:42 AM (GMT-6)


DREAMGIRL
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   Posted 7/10/2006 4:58 PM (GMT -7)   
:-)  I JUST STOPPED THE NIASPAN BECAUSE I HAVE ALLERGIC REACTIONS ON ALL NIACIN.  ALSO FYI NIACIN CAN RAISE YOUR TRI'S AND LOWER YOUR HDL SOME, HIGH PRICE TO LOWER THE LDL. I STARTED EATING GRAPEFUIT EVERY MORNING WILL LET YOU KNOW IF THAT IS OF ANY BENEFIT DO  WN THE ROAD.      HEY ALDO, I HAVE SEEN THAT INFO ON THE ITALIAN FAMILY ON 60 MINUTES, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET INVOLVED IN A TRIAL IN ITALY?

Santoz
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   Posted 7/10/2006 5:15 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Elisha,

 

I understand editing my signature URL; that was my bad.  I apologize.

 

However, I have no interest (monetary or otherwise) in ProFibe, whose link I posted in the body of my thread. 

 

As per your stated rules:

 

"Links to helpful web sites (commercial or otherwise) are allowed when they are posted by someone without any "vested interest" AND whose purpose is NOT to solicit, advertise, promote, fundraise, etc."

 

I only put the link to the ProFibe site to help the original poster and other readers, so I do not believe those links needed to be edited (assuming I’m understand the rules correctly).


 


els
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   Posted 7/11/2006 4:46 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Santoz, I’m sorry but I didn’t edit your signature...perhaps Admin did?  I don’t know...

In regards to the Profibe, with your post being the first one you had made on this forum, then posting that link there really was no way for me to assess if you had a "vested interest" in it or not.  I apologize if I assumed wrong however, I would rather error on the side of caution than not.  We do get a lot of Spammers here and I have to be especially vigilant regarding that.  Please except my apology and continue to post.  This is a great site for information and support.

Thank you :-)

Elisha

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Aldo
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   Posted 7/11/2006 5:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Dream :)

I don't know about how to get into the trial. I do know that the Cleveland Clinic is/was involved. It is all so mysterious!!! If I run upon something, I will let you know.

I also watched a webcast of a doctor who was injecting HDL into a CAD patient, more than a year ago. The patient said his blockages had been removed. I thought that this "stuff" would soon be available for all. What happened? Where did it go???? Was the patent bought and buried? (sinister music now)

Years ago, I took prescription Niaspan, 2000mg. I woke about 3 am and I thought the bed was on fire! I was experiencing the niacin flush. I thought I was experiencing spontaneous human combustion, ha ha ha.

I forgot why I don't take niacin, until yesterday....I read the post above about niacin and tried 500mg. I didn't flush, but it made me sick. Someone told me once that their daughter could not take it because it made her sick. I had been taking it for awhile (OTC) and had been feeling worse than normal. I stopped the niacin and immediately sterted to feel better.

I ordered a case of Red Yeast Rice (RYR) about a year ago. This is the main ingredient in one of the statins. I forget which one. RYR carries the same warnings as statins and can be as dangerous. It is also not regulated by the FDA, or it wasn't the last time I checked because it is considered a supplement. I had the same adverse reactions to RYR, as I have had to all the statins.

I will see what I can find out about the APO-1 Milano.

Good day to all, and I hope all are well (Hi Delta) :)

Rj
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