Has anyone read The Heartburn No More book?

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Ailie
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   Posted 2/3/2009 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
I just found a webpage about the The Heartburn No More System. Is anyone familiar with this?
I've had chronic and near constant Gerd/acid reflux since having my gallbladder out 10/28/08 along with ERCP at same time to remove stone in duct. I'm scheduled for another ERCP in a few weeks for possible missed stone, but nothing is helping with the burning in stomach/chest, etc.

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   Posted 2/3/2009 12:09 PM (GMT -6)   

Ailie,

I have not heard of this system but I would really check it out well as there are many scams along with the really good sites on the web.

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Marburg
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   Posted 2/5/2009 10:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ailie,

I am sorry you are going through this. I have had GERD for well over 13 years now. There are days, weeks and months when it is almost completely absent and also days, weeks, months when it is present constantly. As with you my GERD began after gallbladder removal.

Unfortunately what they don't tell you is that somewhere around 40% of people who went through gallbladder removal will have GERD. My stomach doctor says the number is between 40 and 60%. He says they don't really understand it but believe it has something to do with the way the gallbladder handled bile. He also said most folks who develop GERD may also have chronic gastritis and/or a hiatal hernia (as is in my case). Unfortunately, he said there is no real cure just treatment. However, there are ways to really effectively treat it. He said, if you are overweight, drop 20 pounds. He also recommended that I look into food combining as for some people the GERD is related to what and when they eat and how it is prepared. Never skip a meal because your stomach is set to expect food at specific times and about an hour before you normally eat it starts ramping up the acid to prepare for digestion. If you don't eat the stomach will keep putting out the acid because it keep expecting the food.

Marburg

Ailie
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   Posted 2/5/2009 12:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow, thanks for telling me this. Did you undergo ERCP for stones in the duct? My dr thinks there is a stone left behind and I'm to have my 2nd ERCP 2/25. My GERD symptoms aren't like some I've heard other people have. I am able to sleep thru the night, I never burp up any bad-tasting stuff, though I burp a lot, Mine is during the day, I have had a few weeks of relief on Prevacid, but have been in constant burning pain for over a week now. It is in my chest, upper and middle abdomen and sometimes I get twinges of pain where my gallbladder was, and burp a lot with anything I eat (I'm eating small amounts of low fat food every few hours - that's what I did right before my surgery). The pain has gotten worse mid-abdomen in the last week but Dr said that was normal. Do you take anything for it? My dr said medication will not work because of the stuck stone and not to expect it to. He implied once I get the stone or blockage out I will be fine. Though from reading these messages I wonder... If you have any ideas please let me know. I have lost weight - at least 20 pounds - since all the odd symptoms started in September. This burning I have now is the worst it's been and I still have to wait 20 days for the ERCP!

Marburg
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   Posted 2/5/2009 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes. I had stones that were actually outside of the duct. I burp alot. I get upper chest pains so bad that it's hard to tell if it's GERD or heart attack (hospitalized 4 times for heart but never found any sign of heart attack - only found GERD), upper and middle abdomen pain (above belly button and below breast bone right alongside hital hernia and gastritis), get twinges in lower right side which goes away after passing gas. I also do not get awakened from GERD pains. Mine are many during waking hours.

This is what my doctor said: The thing is the ppi's may or may not work. You had surgery--it is major surgery. Major surgery creates a lot of stress on the body for anywhere from 8-18 months. Stress will make GERD worse. Try to relax. Do not skip meals. Eat small meals made up of easy to digest foods that do not cause gas. No fried, high fat, or high sugar foods as these can make GERD worse. You might want to try sipping soups (that helps me) and liquid calcium (helps calm the stomach). No caffeine or carbonated drinks, chocolate or foods high is acid (especially critic acid), or mints.

A friend of mine eats Aloe Vera for a week and it seems to help (said the juice does not). Problem is--it is extremely nasty tasting and some people can't eat it withou vomiting.

Marburg

Ailie
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   Posted 2/5/2009 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
How did they extract your stones if they were outside duct? Did you have the open surgery? Yes I've been sipping warm soup - even warm water helps a bit, and been eating low-fat, avoiding choc, caffeine, alcohol, sugar doing all the right stuff. However, at this point it's getting worse and new symptoms developing. So I have to be optomistic the ERCP will find something. I had an ultra sound today and they told me dr will have results in 3 days so I will call him next week and keep my fingers crossed something shows up. However, I've been told these ultra sounds of liver, etc do not usually show things very well. At least I feel like I've done something - hate having this run my life. That aloe-vera juice does not taste very good either - but I may check out Aloecure - I'm willing to try anything at this point. Thanks so much for the info - this is so dreadful to go through alone. I feel terrible for my husband and boys - I've literally been feeling awful since September (with a few weeks where I was fine in December), and this has to be hard - especially for my younger son (age 11).

Marburg
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   Posted 2/5/2009 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ailie,

They did a laproscopic surgery and somekind of sonic to break the stones up and suck them out (there were 2). I'm going to see if I can find Aloecure and try it also. I am going to go back to soups as this week has been extremely stressful and the stomach and chest pains are back.

I hope the ERCP helps you.

Marburg
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   Posted 2/6/2009 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ailie,

Well, I bought a bottle of Aloecure last night and tried it. Wow! Despite what the box says--it tastes nasty. Still, within 15 minutes my stomach calmed down. The gas went away, the pain went away. I took 2 servings yesterday and 1 today. So far, I have no pain. I know I still have the GERD because I still woke up with the acid taste in my mouth. The main difference is that the pain and gas appear to be either gone or under control. I still feel discomfort if you press on my abdomen between the navel and the breastbone. I will try it for a week and see how things go. So far today, I have not needed the extra ppi so I guess that's something.

Marburg

Ailie
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   Posted 2/6/2009 3:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow - I'm going to get some Aloecure! I know it may not help me because I really feel there is a blockage (every bite of food I eat or even a sip of water causes me to burp a ton, and I can't eat more than a few bites at a time - this is exactly what happened about a week before I had my original gallbladder surgery). Still if the AC could help with the burning pain that would be great. What meds do you normally take every day? (Right now I'm just taking Zegerid once a day).

Marburg
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   Posted 2/6/2009 4:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I take 2 Protonix 40 mg (1 morning, 1 at noon) and 2 Zantac 150mg (1 at dinner and 1 before bed) along with Carafate (1 tablet an hour before each meal). Last night, I didn't need the Zantac at bedtime. Today I've only taken the Carafate. So far no pain. I do still feel a bit of acid in my throat (mainly I could taste it when I woke up) or if I press on my abdomen, but no pain and very little gas.

I kind of wondered if I had a blockage. When I had a hysterecomy last summer they had to do a lot of repair work on my bladder and my colon was in the wrong place. The doctor said she had to completely realign the colon. Since then, my GERD has been a thousand times worse than I ever had it and I felt like something was getting stuck in my stomach/intestines/colon above my belly button and in the lower right side. The lower right side always got better after passing gas. The upper part would get better if I didn't eat or had only a few bites. Today, I was able to eat an entire meal. So, I'm really hoping the Aloecure will continue to help me.

Can't hurt to try the Aloecure (just don't breathe when you drink it--taste is horrible).

Ailie
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   Posted 2/6/2009 4:52 PM (GMT -6)   
When I had my gb surgery dr said there were a lot of abdominal adhesions from my hysterectomy back in 2003. Though I never had problems after that surgery, I still wonder if those adhesions are contributing to any of the current pain I have. It's funny, because everyone tells you hyst is such a major operation with long recovery, etc. (and it certainly lookslike yours was horrible and complicated), however I NEVER in my life have experienced anything worse than this ongoing gallbladder/gallstone/gerd saga. It's never ending.
Where did you get the Aloecure?? Do you find the carafate helping at all? I was prescribed it shortly after my surgery, took it a week, didn't notice any difference.

Marburg
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   Posted 2/7/2009 12:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I also had a lot of adhesions from by gallbladder surgery which they had to repair my hysterectomy which could be a contributing problem. I got the Aloecure at Walgreens, you can also Google Aloecure and get their website.

The carafate is helping some, but you really have to take it 1 hour before eating (and 2 hours away from any ppi or antacid) or 2 hours after a meal. It is supposed to coat the stomach to help it heal.

Last night I had reflux pretty badly. I drank 2 oz of Aloecure and it was better but not gone so I went ahead and took it again and now I feel much better. I think it's just helping to coat the stomach but I'm not sure.

Ailie
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   Posted 2/7/2009 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
My husband went by Walgreens and CVS last night but they didn't have Aloecure - I will check out a different Walgreens. Have you heard of Bettanade?? I just heard a commercial on the radio - it's supposed to get people off all the heartburn meds. I'm going to check out their website right now. I feel a tiny bit better today - I think the Zegerid is helping. I know I really can't heal until I get this blockage checked out, but it's nice to have the pain subside a bit while I'm waiting. Are you eating normal meals? I can only eat small amounts of low-fat food - a few bites every few hours. I don't dare try to eat a normal sized meal - I would just have tons of non-stop burping and that trapped feeling in chest.

camagu
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   Posted 2/8/2009 12:01 AM (GMT -6)   
I started taking "Heartburn Free" two days ago. I actually feel worse but maybe that is expected at first. It contains orange peel extract which has Limilin(sp?) in it. I keep burping up orange flavor. Has anyone tried this. It seems odd because oranges are acidic. Carol

camagu
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   Posted 2/8/2009 1:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Also, a question for Aile: what is bettanade? I tried looking it up on computer but it kept sending me to sites about caring for your Betta fish. Thanks in advance. Carol

Ailie
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   Posted 2/8/2009 11:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Betten-Aid is something for heartburn made from digestive enzymes and probiotics. I heard a radio commercial for it yesterday. I don't know if it's available in stores but it's on the internet. Made by Homefirst products. I don't know if it will help me, but I'm willing to try anything at this point.

Precious
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   Posted 2/8/2009 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I looked it up online and found a store that sells it but I can't post the link here. It's selling for $35 for 3, must be 3 boxes?

about the Aloe, I found Alove juice at our neighborhood Walmart but not at the regular Walmart.

Have u all heard of Acid Gone? It's a powdered drink you add to water or juice (non-acidic juice). I used it w/ apple juice. It tastes bad. I used this 2.5 yrs ago and it worked so well. It's also expensive but I was able to get off my PPIs (Prilosec) and I was great for 2 yrs and now recently been taking Zantac again. I think I'll convince my hubby so I can get this again.

Precious

Ailie
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   Posted 2/8/2009 1:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I've never heard of Acid Gone. I will check that out. This is so discouraging. I've been on Zegerid for a few days now - I thought I was feeling better, but today it's vack to terrible burning mid-abdomen and chest. I ate potatoes today - maybe that did it?? It's so hard dealing with food - sometimes I think the food I'm eating has nothing to do with the pain (if I believe the dr it's the missed gallstone). Do potatoes cause anyone's symptoms to get worse??

Precious
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   Posted 2/8/2009 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
No I have no issues with potatoes they're pretty bland.

Ailie
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   Posted 2/8/2009 11:30 PM (GMT -6)   
See I'm starting to think what I eat has no bearing on the GERD. Sometimes I'll eat something one day and be fine, the next day eat the same thing and be miserable. Apparently there is some partial blockage in the common bile duct and dr. said until that is cleared I will have burning - that can't be cleared up by meds or anything. I guess I hope he's right. I just wish I didn't have to wait until 2/25 for the ERCP. I'm still going to look into Aloecure and BettenAid and any other more natural cure I can find, because this burning problem may very well still be here even if they do clear a blockage (many people have GERD after gallbladder/gallstone removal).

Marburg
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   Posted 2/9/2009 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   

Yes, I am eating normal meals.  Saturday was pretty rough.  I think, stress and eating spicy foods will still trigger a chest/stomach pain reaction.  Yesterday was good and today is relatively good (stressful job).  All in all, I feel better but I'm taking my time.  I've never heard of Bettanade.  Will have to check it out.

Ailie said...
My husband went by Walgreens and CVS last night but they didn't have Aloecure - I will check out a different Walgreens. Have you heard of Bettanade?? I just heard a commercial on the radio - it's supposed to get people off all the heartburn meds. I'm going to check out their website right now. I feel a tiny bit better today - I think the Zegerid is helping. I know I really can't heal until I get this blockage checked out, but it's nice to have the pain subside a bit while I'm waiting. Are you eating normal meals? I can only eat small amounts of low-fat food - a few bites every few hours. I don't dare try to eat a normal sized meal - I would just have tons of non-stop burping and that trapped feeling in chest.

Ailie
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   Posted 2/12/2009 11:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm still trying to find Aloecure. I've been to several Walgreens and they've never heard of it. I have about 2 weeks to go til my next ERCP. I'm on Zegerid which seems to be helping more than Aciphex. I have a constantly burning stomach, but at least I'm not burping all day and I can eat small amounts of food with no problem. I just hope the ERCP actually solves this problem!

SteveJ
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   Posted 5/5/2011 12:15 PM (GMT -6)   
 Just wondering if there's any recent news or updates regarding your subsequent surgery to remove "missed" gallstones?
I am currently scheduled for surgery to remove gallbladder w/stones, and also have my esophogus scoped for possible ulcers while I'm "under".  I have mixed emotions about surgery, but I can't take any more trips to the emergency room suffering from extreme (10+) pain..
I've seen the ads for AloeCure and am intrigued, and I will run this by my doctor for comment.
Don't know if it is available locally, but I'll check around.
My surgery is scheduled for May 26th, 2011, so I would be very interested to hear any comments regarding the product and/or the surgical results and effects after surgery for those who've had it!

mudmagnetmum
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   Posted 5/5/2011 6:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Re: Heartburn No More -
Yes I've got this book. I haven't read it thoroughly but I've gone through most of it. It's basically a standard naturopathic diet with some tips of appropriate supplements (herbs, vitamins, digestive enzymes, etc). I trained as a nutritional therapist, so I recognise what their approach is. Despite my training I haven't been able to get rid of my GERD though! Basically if your problems come from bad diet (chips, coke, coffee and pizza!) then of course changing your diet may well help. My difficulty was that my diet was already OK, apart from a small amount of coffee. To follow the instructions in Heartburn No More would have been very difficult for me as I am already wheat, gluten and dairy free due to allergies - diet wise I have no place left to go (well OK I could give up chocolate totally, but then I might not be nice to live with........)

I tried some of the tips in the book - the apple cider vinegar was a nightmare, gave me a lot of pain. The honey made no difference. The other tip to eat only soft (nothing scratchy to the LES) food for a few days wasn't easy to implement - I had a go but I have small children so not easy doing any major diet changes, but I tried the soft food thing for a few days - didn't make any difference to my symptoms. At the time a lot of my symptoms were side effects of Omeprazole - but I didn't know that then. (Now I'm just on Zantac).

A strict naturopathic diet involves having very little red meat, no alcohol, no coffee, no tea (which most of us have given up on anyway), no processed food, lots of fresh veg and a moderate amount of fruit, no grains except for rice and corn and no sugar or salt, preservatives, additives etc. It's hard work, but not impossible. If you could do it for a month you'd know by then if it was helping or not and you'd then be able to reintroduce some foods. If you're up for some hard work diet wise then Heartburn No More is a good example of a naturopathic diet, but basically the message is that you're going to have to do this for quite some time in order to get better. Personally I just couldn't face it because my diet is already so restricted and fruit and veg tend to give me symptoms rather than relieve them - simple dry crackers that soak up acid make me feel much better than apple does!

NB: I tried the orange oil supplement and it made me feel worse. I keep adding to the list of things that make me feel worse - there is not one single natural thing I have found that gives any kind of quick relief, though I have a few left yet to try!! I take DGL which doesn't make me feel worse but it doesn't seem to be hugely helpful either. I wanted to try aloe vera but couldn't find one in the UK that doesn't have sodium benzoate in it - I bought some capsules instead but then I read that they don't work cos they don't coat the LES?

Hope that's helpful. Like I said, I've trained in nutritional therapy so you'd think I'd be able to fix myself - but no can do! So I feel like a failure in that respect! sad

garyd
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   Posted 6/10/2011 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
i started suffering from gerd in 2004, after going to the doctor and getting a prescription to protonix, i felt quite a bit better, but i could not accept to be 34 and be doomed to taking a prescription drug the rest of my life, plus it had its own side effects and made me feel a lot less 'vital'. after months of searching, i came across an article that indicated that a low carb diet worked for almost everyone in eliminating acid reflux.

i was intially quite afraid of such a diet due to the mainstream nutritional advice that is everwhere (namely, that animal fat and protein are somehow dangerous and should be avoided), but after reading a few of the low carb books i got over those fears, and tried it.

for me, it worked overnight. no more reflux. i was thrilled, and have followed the diet for 7 years now. generally, it works great, as long as i avoided eating a certain amount of carbs, no major problems. i also experimented a few times a year with eating "normally", and always found the symptoms returned shortly. which i suppose indicates that the underlying problem, whatever it is, was not solved, but that reduction of carbs kept symptoms from popping up.

for the past week, reflux has suddenly returned with a vengeance - only my stomach area has pain though, no other problems at present. it's pretty darn uncomfortable though. i have no idea what has 'triggered' it, and am not sure what to do about it.

i'm here due to finding that 'heartburn no more' site and wondering what it is, now that i've read 'mudmagnetmum' post it doesn't sound very promising.

if i figure out what's going on with me i'll try to remember to return here to post it. in the meantime, i will echo mudmagnetmum's comments that i too am very knowledgeable about diet and nutrition, and yet it doesn't seem to help much with this particular problem. the only long term solution that worked for me, up until now, was to follow a low-carb diet - which is a pretty great solution if it works, cos the diet is pretty easy to follow and almost luxurious once u adapt to it.

the other thing that is helpful is to learn to relax and 'be in the now' - that is very helpful, for pain in general, for life in general. i advise also to take time to study relaxation and meditation methods for helping with chronic pain.

wishing you the best of luck - g
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