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Tourmantiger
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   Posted 11/19/2009 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,
well having put up with being on and off PPI's for the last six months and my symptoms getting worse and feeling very fed up and depressed I have decided to try a different route, rightly or wrongly I have decided to give myself six months with out taking any meds of any sort, I am going to try a natural approach, and diet changes,
I am particularly interested in how digestive enzymes may help (do you take tablets? are they herbal? where do you buy them from in the UK? what do they do? are they different to micro biotic yoghurts

and also any other suggestions people may have to alternative approaches, so I am starting this thread as a place where people can post any non chemical suggestions you may have for Reflux,

I feel I have nothing to loose, and if after the six months it does not work I will explore the surgery route, I am not making light of this situation but I just feel I need to try all avenues before looking at surgery and for me PPI just dont work the stomach pain is terrible and I started this journey with just an occasional sore throat and horse voice once in a while its only when I starting taking the meds that it all went wrong and got much much worse

so lets see what this new approach can do

so its over to you post away with your ideas and suggestions

all will be appreciated

thanks

Tourmantiger

Nolique
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   Posted 11/19/2009 10:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with you!  I want to know more about natural ways to cure this disease!  Any suggestions from anyone out there???
I don't have peace with taking PPI's for the rest of my life either.  Too young!!
 
Any advice would help,
Nolique

stkitt
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   Posted 11/20/2009 7:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Good Morning,


I am going to post a link here that will give you some info re natural ways to treat GERD. I know there are many posts in the forum here that speak to diet, change in life styles etc so please use our search feature and type in the key words for the topic you are looking for.



Here is a great link:



http://ezinearticles.com/?GERD-Natural-Treatment---a-Better-Way-to-Treat-Gerd&id=1329667



Take care and I wish you peace,



Kitt

res0kkw
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   Posted 11/20/2009 8:24 AM (GMT -6)   
GL I tryed this my self.


I was basicly a vegeterian plus trying natural stuff.


The swallowing was still messed up after months and months.I didnt get heart burn eitehr on that diet.

I lost 110 pounds.Guess what did not help one Ioda.


Hope you have better luck but most likely you will be wasting 6 months.

Not that it matters meds isnt helpen much either.

Nolique
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   Posted 11/20/2009 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Kitt!
 
I printed the information and it was very helpful!  I have completely given up coffee, caffeinated tea and all the other acidic foods.  I have noticed that my throat is not as dry as it was and the snoring stops with the head elevated.  Thanks for your encouragement on this site!  I am so glad that this is available!
 
Nolique
 

Alcie
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   Posted 11/20/2009 6:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Tourmantiger, Nolique, res0kkw -
I posted my natural "remedy" for reflux - avoiding trigger foods. It's a few threads down on the front page of this forum. It may help you, may not, but it's free. I suspect no one diet works for everyone. By keeping a food log you can figure out if you have food sensitivities.

Tourmantiger - Congrats on losing the weight. I assume you did that on purpose. It's good to know that the veggie diet reduced the heartburn. I didn't have much luck with most acid reducers until I got on Nexium. That didn't stop reflux, but at least turned it into non-acid reflux. Then I finally found I have food allergies/intolerances and got rid of the reflux.
Alcie
 
 


Nolique
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   Posted 11/23/2009 7:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Guys,
 
I have just recently been diagnosed with esphogitis and gastritis.  I am on prilosec.  This sounds kind of odd, but what exactly does reflux feel like?  I obviously had no clue that I had this problem and was baffled, that until 2 weeks ago, I didn't notice any symptoms.  Now I get the chest tightening feeling sometimes.  Is it like a contraction in your throat?  If I go off the prilosec after 30 days will my symptoms get worse, or can you actually cure it somehow?  Sorry I am such a newbie with this disease!
 
Nolique 

stkitt
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   Posted 11/23/2009 7:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Nolique

First of all you made my day with your kind comment re the site I posted................I have been having one of those days where I am falling short in my own opinion and reading your comment lifted my spirits. Thank you.

Now for reflux:

It often can cause a range of symptoms such stomach pain after eating or laying down, vomiting, feeling of stomach fullness or incomplete/difficult swallowing, epigastric cramping and soreness, heartburn, bitter taste, and nocturnal wakening.

Other symptoms can include (although these can be from other causes as well):
Burping
Nausea and vomiting
Change in voice or hoarse voice
Sore throat
Coughing or wheezing
Asthma
Chest Pain
Upper abdominal pain
For myself I have certain foods that will regurge and I wake up choking or coughing with sour taste in my mouth. Sometime I feel like I will vomit.
I know others will be adding to this.
I wish you the best and I use Prilosec.

james1407
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   Posted 11/24/2009 6:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Tourmantiger: Hows it going ? Have your symptons improved yet? James

Alcie
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   Posted 11/24/2009 8:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Nolique
Don't quit the Prilosec unless your doc says to. First, you'll get rebound acid. Second, your disease will progress. All the manufacturers say to stop the meds after a few weeks or so, but those of us with physical problems like weak LES stay on these meds for years. I was on since these meds were invented!

If you have non-acid reflux, which can be because your acid is controlled by the PPIs even though you are refluxing, you won't necessarily feel anything. I had this for many years.

You might be able to control the reflux portion of the disease by finding out what causes it. For me it was food intolerances/sensitivities/allergies. Keep a food log. Write down what you eat, the time, and any reflux symptoms after each meal. Then do "challenge testing" to find out which item in the meal is the culprit.
Alcie
 
 


Nolique
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   Posted 11/24/2009 1:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Kitt and Alcie,
 
Thanks so much for the information!  Is the prilosec safe to take for a long time?  Are there any side effects?  My mom has had lymphoma for many years so I worry about medications.  Do you think if they find the cause of the gastritis, it could help the esophogitis?  I wonder which one triggers the other? I may have bile reflux (gall bladder removal 4 years ago). Have had food intolerances ever since (ie: wheat/gluten, high fat dairy).  I have had a fullness (since last summer) whenever I eat more than a small amount, it actually feels very uncomfortable, I had no idea that could be gerd.  I never feel hungry.  Do you think 22 years of daily coffee drinking could have caused any of this?  Sorry for all the questions :)
 
Nolique
 
 

mariex800
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   Posted 11/24/2009 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Hi Nolique,
I am Marie.
 
You have Gastritis and Esophogitis - perhaps, the best route is to talk to your dr. and see if you can be on PPI for  sometime so that your esophagus and your stomach heal from those erosion. Once they are clear, I think you can go on natural path slowly. Don't stop PPI cold turkey - it will hurt you. The important thing is you need to check with your dr and see if you sphincter is working normaly...
 
Don't jump too soon since you already have esophgitis - I believe it mean erosion of your esophogus.
 
If your sphincter is functioning well, I would think one should be on PPI and until you feel good. Than you can wean off the med slowly.
 
When it is time to wean off PPI -  instead of taking PPI every day, you would take it every other day for a few week. While you take it every other day, supplement it with naturnal DGL. Don't take PPI and DGL the same hour. Take them a few hours apart. By doing this, your stomach will come to harmony slowly... Good luck.
Marie 

Nolique
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   Posted 11/24/2009 8:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Marie,
 
Thanks so much for writing back!  What is DGL (natural) that you are talking about?  I haven't heard of that.  That is good advice about finding out  about the sphincter and then when healed, slowly weaning off the meds.  I meet with my Dr. on December 17th, so I will ask all the questions.
 
Thanks again,
 
Nolique

mariex800
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   Posted 11/24/2009 11:28 PM (GMT -6)   
 
HI Nolique,
Sorry - I didn't detail it. Actually, DGL Licorice (chewable) from nature's life.
 
If the link doesn't work. Go to www.amazon.com and search for  -->  DGL Licorice. The best branch is Nature's Life - this one is not so bitter like other DGL. It give you a coffee taste. DGL is natural and it is almost equal to the strengh of tagament. DGL is good for stomach. Read more when you search for it on amazon and other site.
 
If you check with your dr, and if you sphincter is normal, you can slowly wean off the med.
 
Also, in the process that you are doing quite well without pain or reflux, you can add
manuka honey (http://www.manukahoneyusa.com/ManukaHoney.htm?gclid=CK7D-eimpZ4CFR5HagodTxAKmQ). I read that manuka honey help heal damage in the esophogus.
But you have to stop the reflux from keep washing up your esophagus. Manuka honey will definately a good helper. Click link above and read more about the good property of manuka...
However, if one keep getting reflux non-stop, than the manuka honey will not work in this case!
 
If you ever try to wean off the PPI med, be sure to take DGL along with it - but different hours.
It is safe and you can take DGL every day. You can also take another one along with DGL. It is called Mastic Gum 500 from Jorrow.
 
In the long run, and once you are able to get off of the PPI completly, you can continue to take DGL and mastic gum for a long while without any issue since they are nature thing. But one you feel better and no more reflux, etc., you can slowly wean off those nature one by one... And if you feel better, than you are home_free :)
 
When you take this natural things, it help your stomach and calm your stomach so that your stomach do not pump out so much acid that can hurt you. In otherwords,  if you wean of the PPI slowly over time, it give your stomach a chance to understand that it need to come back to normal.
Stoping PPI cold turkey - This is called Acid rebound - it can be very dangerous too, and you can be in a lot of pain. etc.
Take care.
Marie
 

Post Edited (mariex800) : 11/24/2009 9:42:24 PM (GMT-7)


Nolique
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   Posted 11/25/2009 2:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Marie,
 
I cant thank you enough for this information!  This is exactly what I have been looking for!  I will definately wait until the reflux has stopped like you said.  It's wonderful that there are alternatives to the ppi's for us.  Have you been able to wean off the ppi's?  If so, how long did it take for you? 
 
Nolique

Nolique
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   Posted 11/25/2009 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Marie, it's me again!
 
Have you ever tried the Bragg's apple cider(organic) method?  Some people swear by it.  Just curious?
 
Nolique

mariex800
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   Posted 11/25/2009 9:13 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Hi Nolinque,
 
Hope this will help you. Be sure to check with your Dr. regarding to your sphinter.
I checked with my dr. and had some tests done while back- I had a very sever case - of reflux since my sphincter is defective. I had a manometry test, and it showed that I had a defective sphincter, and I also have hernia.  I experience reflux 7/24. I am on a very high dose of PPI at the moment. I had surgery for my gerd -but I think it was kind loose. So I have to revisit my dr for further test.
 
While back, I did tone of research and try everything, from honey to oil to Bragg Apple vineger + baking soda, aloe vera, special type of fish oil, acupunture & herb to chinese herb, chiropractor, see psychologies, etc. I tried them all, I have no relieft -not even a minute relief because my sphincter doesn't work. I was hoping that my defective sphincter test was wrong and that my dr. advice was wrong... With a defective sphincter - I guess nothing you can do - but surgery.
 
I am looking into a special type of water - Kangen water at the moment.
A lot of people stated that it help them get rid of reflux since it has a high 9.5 PH.
Anyhow, I am combing the net to find some type of relief - Right now, I am looking into the kangen water - it looks interesting. I am trying to see if I can get this install and see if the water help reduce some of my pain -if not all... Anything to reduce some burn pain is a good things.
 
Nolinque, I hope the above will help you. As long as your sphincter is good, and just be patient and give some time to slowly wean it off -
Happy Thank given :)
Take care.
Marie.
 
 
 

Post Edited (mariex800) : 11/25/2009 7:21:30 PM (GMT-7)


Nolique
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   Posted 11/26/2009 1:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Marie,
 
Happy Thanksgiving!  I am sorry to hear about your situation with the sphincter not working right.  Are there any good surgeries for you?  It sounds like you have tried many different ways to help with the gerd.  That would be frustrating.  I hope that the kangen water works for you.  I have heard good things about it too!  Can the Dr. tell by the endoscope if the sphincter is not working well? 
It sounds like there are alot of people who have this disease, so I am glad that we can all encourage each other.  My aunt and my mom and my sister all have gerd too.  My aunt has done the apple cider vinegar for the past two days and she says that she is not losing her voice like she was (she smoked for 30 years).  All of us have been coffee drinkers, so that may play a role as well as genetics.  I have completely given up coffee, tea and acidic foods, it has been a hard adjustment.  I am drinking chamomile tea tho.
I looked up all the products that you told me about and will go down to our health food store on Friday to get some of them for if and when I need them.  I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
 
Nolique smurf

Alcie
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   Posted 11/26/2009 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Nolique
Sorry, but the only tests for the LES are barium swallow and manometry. Just looking at the sphincter will only tell if you have a hernia or visible damage. Generally GI docs like their patients asleep and not gagging for endoscopy, so you can't swallow, and the doc can't see if the LES is functioning.

Vinegar or any other acid lowers the pH of the stomach which signals it to stop making acid. There shouldn't be any need to take a specific kind of acid. Lemonade might work.

All the pH raising waters, Tums and baking soda and such reduce the acidity of the stomach, which gives temporary relief from the burning feeling. Mineral water at least tastes good to me and works fine for the short term.

The formulations for most PPIs have 24-hour release capsuls now. Unfortunately these only treat acid, as do the home remedies. The only treatment for a non-functioning LES is one of the surgeries.

If you decide to try a home remedy on a long-term basis you should at least consult your doctor first.
Alcie
 
 


couchtater
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   Posted 11/26/2009 4:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I just found out from my surgeon I have polyps in my stomach from the long term use of PPIs. He also stated my LES is very weak and my HH is huge!
So I'm having the Hill Procedure 270 on December 22nd.

Joy

mariex800
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   Posted 11/26/2009 9:12 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Hi Joy,
Happy Thank given.
Glad you are moving forward -
 
Joy - what is Hill Procedure? And also what is polys?
Can the polys be treated?
How long have you been on PPI?
Is this a surgery or does the procedure perform thru the mouth?
Wish you good luck and success :)
Take care.
Marie
 
 

couchtater
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   Posted 11/26/2009 10:31 PM (GMT -6)   
The Hill is similar to the Nissen except instead of taking two sides of the stomach and attaching them to each other, the Hill is only taking one side and wrapping it partly around the esophagus. He said I'd be able to burp, belch, and throw up without damaging it.
The polyps are small growths inside my stomach. Sort of like polyps in the colon, except I believe he said they are not a serious as them. I was kinda drugged when I was talking to him. Some of the conversation a little fuzzy. I've got pictures of them on my thread "I'm Back".
I can't have the first surgery I wanted (the EsophyX TIF) where they go down the throat. :(

I've been on PPIs for almost 10 years. Maximum dose for three years.

Joy

stkitt
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   Posted 11/27/2009 7:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Good Morning,


Here is the link to Joy's thread re her tests with pictures.



http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=1653885



Kitt

Nolique
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   Posted 11/28/2009 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Joy,
 
I am so glad for you.  It sounds like you have been through an awful lot and many years of PPI's.  You will be in my thoughts and prayers!
 
Nolique
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