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gladiola
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   Posted 9/19/2011 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello, the surgery was a exellent success, but I been having so much gas and burping problems and lots of noises in my tummy.
No more heart burn or reflux thanks God, but the gas is driving me cracy!!!! one more thing sometimes I get like sharp pains here and there is that normal?

dencha
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   Posted 9/19/2011 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Gladiola,
 
Welcome to our yeah yeah yeah Wrapped Club yeah yeah yeah at Healing Well!  There are a lot of us here!  All the things you're describing sound very normal.  Two months out you're still healing.  Sharp pains here and there are part of the process.  If you ever get a pain that really concerns you, be sure to contact your doctor.  In my experience, though, those pains are to be expected, and subside as time goes on. 
 
The bloating and gas are totally to be expected...that wrap is keeping acid in your stomach, but in the process it isn't letting out those gas-releasing burps.  Be sure you're not using a straw, drinking carbonated beverages, and until the healing goes further, try to avoid the traditional gas-producing foods.  Have you tried BEANO?  That's very helpful when you eat things like broccoli or baked beans.  Gax-X is helpful also, but it does require a little burping to relieve pressure.
 
Hang in there.  Two months is still early in the recovery.  While most of the healing takes place in the first six months, healing continues to a year.  I even found that my wrap continued to fine-tune itself even into the second year.
 
The gurgling is very normal.  (mine was so loud that people were offering me food because they thought I was starving!)  That calms down gradually as you heal.  It becomes less and less frequent until it disappears.
 
Again, glad you've joined us!  I expect others will be by to weigh in soon.
Happy Healing!
Denise

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   Posted 9/20/2011 2:02 AM (GMT -6)   
gladiola-
Denise gave you some great advice. I have been fortunate and after 3 nissens I have been able to burp after each, so I really didn't have much of an issue with bloating. A lot of people here have said beano and gas-x works wonders. Also avoiding gas producing foods. You will be surprised at what foods will cause gas. I can't remember them all, but I believe Alcie has a good list of them.
As far as noisy stomachs, that is just a by product of having your insides rearranged and is completely normal. It varies by person to person as to how long it lasts.

Take care,
Bill
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gladiola
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   Posted 9/20/2011 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
:-)  Thanks so much for the advise, it is so nice to know there is lots of people going thru the same post op issues.

Gritty
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   Posted 9/24/2011 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey, welcome to the non burping club! I'm about 7 months in and still don't burp properly, still quite ahem.. gassy too. It's getting easier to manage though and every so often I'll get a massive burp that feels great. My surgeon said last month it could take another 6 months before I'm fully healed and by that time I could be burping again. In all it's not so bad considering I've been eatinga and drinking anything I like with no crippling acid. Hang in there!

kyheart
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   Posted 9/24/2011 7:01 PM (GMT -6)   
WELCOME Gladiola

I have been able to burp since about 4 weeks.. not the same as before the surgery but, enough to help get the gas off my stomach.I will be 6 months post op on the 1st of October. I count every day as a blessing since I had the surgery. I am reflux and pain free.. I had Hiatal Hernia too.

I am eating fairly normal now, for some reason I cannot eat bread without discomfort, but this is not usual. Most people can eat bread by 6-8 weeks or so. I still have some issues with .. ahem.. gas... but I use gas-x when it bothers me a lot.

Gurgling is normal.. I went to my PCP at about 5 weeks and my stomach was making such weird noises, he thought it was his cell phone.. how funny is that???? TRUE STORY....

Please stay with us here at the forum and let us know how you are doing.. if you have questions or you take a step back or you just need to gripe or you just want to let everyone know how good you feel.. we will be here for you good or bad and we will try to support you and answer your questions.

Reach for the Sunshine... Rainbows will follow

Sandi

gladiola
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   Posted 9/26/2011 10:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello, guys how are you? well I am still gassy and feeling full stomach, I feel my tummy like a pregnant lady even hurst to touch, I think dairy and white bread make this thing worse, and on top of that I need to have hysterectomy!!!!!! after my nissen another surgery. Well I think turning 45 is when everything goes down hill.I just hope this time is going to be much better, because after my nissen my left shoulder was killing me. Have a great week.

opnwhl4
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   Posted 9/26/2011 11:50 AM (GMT -6)   
gladiola-
How long ago was your surgery? Soft breads should be avoided for a couple months or so. Unless it's toast that is. Would have been nice to have had both surgeries done and over with at the same time. I have noticed this time around I am having some issues with milk, I can eat all kinds of other dairy products, just get some nausea with milk for some reason. I can handle it in something like oatmeal, grits, or cold cereals.

My wife had a hysterectomy over a year ago. She was lucky and her doctor was able to remove it vaginally. She didn't have any outside incisions. She had a c-section with our first born, so she already knew pretty much what to expect if she had to do it open. She said it was way less pain the way she did hers.

Take care,
Bill
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#3 on 8/24/11

Cindy123
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   Posted 9/27/2011 10:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello everyone....I am glad I found this particular post.  I am almost finishing my 8th month.  I had the nissen wrap on January 31, 2011.  I too still have some issues with burping but suprisingly once I hit the 8th month mark, the burping came a lot easier....the bloating went down significantly.  The grumbling in the stomach are a lot less than what they used to be.  I find though that if I ignore the grumbling for a long time, I start to feel a slight pain at the tip of my shoulder and I can feel the gas moving around, why, don't know, could it be that the gas is irritating the wrap.  Anyone experience this???? and will this go in time too.  Interestingly enough, I never had the pain in the throat or had any problems swallowing, so why wouldn't I be able to burp properly?  I have come to terms that COMPLETE healing will likley take more than a year and I am okay with that as long as I continue to see improvements.  Hang in there everyone, it gets better but boy, it's a slow process.
 
Take care
 
Cindy wink

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 9/29/2011 11:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Everyone -
I could burp from the moment they wheeled me out of surgery and I've never ever choked. I can close to it once but I didn't panic and took a drink and it passed.

I'm not swelling in the abdomen at 8 weeks as much as I did earlier but when I do it's a doozie. I took look very pregnant and my stomach when thumped sounds like a ripe watermelon. Some evenings hubby and I watch TV AND my swollen tummy. lol

At 8 weeks I still have left shoulder pain when I've drunk something too fast or just swallowed a lot of air talking or singing etc. It's not any fun but no big deal.

I think we all have similar symptoms during recovery/recuperation but I also think some of us have some very strange and not too mainstream symptoms that scare us but which end up resolving with time as well as the normal symptoms do.

Time helps.
Falling down is part of life, getting back up is living. -Unknown

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Cindy123
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   Posted 9/29/2011 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Rita, it's good to hear from you. For a while I didn't see any post from you. You are right, some of us have some strange symptoms but boy I am glad for this forum. It a good feeling to know that you are not alone. I do feel alone here in Canada. I have not found one person that has had this surgery.

You are lucky that you are able to burp right off the bat. I was able to burp but nothing like I used to. I have gotten better. Your swollen tummy will go in time. I didn't think I'd get as far as I have and still have a ways to go. I don't think I can burp lying down so I take a gas-x before going to bed. Does anyone know if this gets better in time?

Take care.

Cindy

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 9/29/2011 11:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Gas-X doesn't seem to help me too much but I am lucky in that I can burp lying down, standing up, sitting down etc. I get embarrassed in public when I burp so fast I can't control it and have to apologize.

If it helps you any I burp better now than I did just a few weeks ago.
I hope you can too.

Rita

PS You're right about having someplace to go to express your feelings both before and after surgery. Your regular circle of friends and family grow wearing of hearing it. I know I would for sure. Hang in there!
Falling down is part of life, getting back up is living. -Unknown

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Cindy123
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   Posted 9/29/2011 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Well Rita I am looking forward for those burping sessions. I do burp quite a bit once I eat and I have noticed that I have started to burp in between meals (so happy) but I am not at your stage as yet, I wonder why or how it is that some people can and can't burp. My surgeon said that if the food can go down, there is no reason why the air cannot come up. I don't think they really know about the recovery. I was definitely in the dark about this surgery. I didn't discover this site until after the surgery. You are lucky to have found it before you went into surgery so that you were more prepared for the recovery.

I have stopped talking to my friends and family about my recovery. HW is my home when I want some comfort.

You hang in there too.

Cindy

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 9/29/2011 12:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Cindy,

I'm lucky to have 3 friends in my hometown who have had the surgery and have also made a new hometown acquaintance through another friend who has had it as well - NF and GERD before that. And guess what - they all have different stories to tell. The men are pretty much in great shape about 10 years post-op and the ladies are not quite that well. No big surprise there. I think women's bodies just go through so many other things like the menstrual cycle, menopause, childbirth etc and we seem to have more GB problems as well. I guess it all evens out.

I think the thing I'd emphasize to newcomers who would care to listen is that we are all individuals and our bodies are all so different. If I could have recovered any other way than the way I am recovering now I wouldn't be me; I wouldn't be who I am. And even though I've been a little envious of others recoveries at times I wouldn't wish them any less and I wouldn't change it now to have experienced their recoveries. It's never too late to learn I guess.

HW is really a good place to visit. I too am glad to have found it.

Rita
Falling down is part of life, getting back up is living. -Unknown

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Cindy123
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   Posted 9/30/2011 7:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Rita, since we are venting a little and I am feeling a little down and you are graciously listening....my problem is this....when I get hungry and I don't eat, the gas builds up, why I don't know. I never had this problem before. I am able to burp quite a bit after eating. I have to eat every three hours or the gas builds up and I feel a pain the tip of my shoulder...not a sever pain but I know something is being irritated inside. My only guess is that the wrap has is not healed yet and my stomach is still trying to figure things out. Do you have to eat often or can you go quite some time before eating. When I get that fixed, I should be hopping??

How are you doing? I read some of your posts. I am so sorry that you are going through all that...don't give up. Attitude is everything. I am here if you want to vent.

Cindy

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 9/30/2011 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
You'll be better with time because you are young and healthy. Just hang on to the positive thoughts and be patient. I think I waited too long to have the surgery and the surgery has impacted me in negative ways that are hard for me to get past. I'm not able to eat much and I don't sleep much either due to food and medications backing up inside my esophagus to my throat. It's very painful and so far no one can help with it. I do have an EGD this Monday and if they don't see any problems I guess it's off to a more competent GI and surgeon somewhere else.

I don't want to discourage you or anyone so have faith and look forward to the day when your minor issues are all better.

You'll be fine.

Blessings,
Rita
What matters in life is not what happens to you but what you remember and how you remember it. - Gabriel García Márquez

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Cindy123
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   Posted 9/30/2011 10:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Rita, that's what many people here say on the forum, things will get better with time...I have to beleive that....it's the only thing I have to hang on to....time. I am trying to be positive and I have noticed changes. Denise mentioned that it will take a whole year to heal and even longer. I am okay with this as long as I continue to see improvements.

To be honest with you, I didn't see a single improvement in two months time. I was still in sever pain. I was miserable all day long. It wasn't until my 5th month that I started to feel a little better. Don't look back Rita, you didn't wait too long...it may take a little longer but you will get better. I don't understand though why would food and medications get backed up in your espohagus....is it because your food is not moving down into your stomach or is it sitting on your wrap, if that is even possible. Maybe your wrap is too tight? I am pulling at straws here. I am not one to give advice simply becuase I don't know. I can try and give you comfort though. You have to believe that you are going to be okay.

You are not discouraging anyone...only you know what you are going through. Sometimes it helps to vent and get it out.

Take care.

Cindy


If you are anything life me, then I know what you are feeling. I worry for everything little thing and don't have the patience to wait.

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 9/30/2011 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi again Cindy,

I pretty much carried on with my life of church, family, civic and community work and kept up with my career as a newspaper columnist from the time it all started about 30+ years ago - GERD that is. It didn't become really bothersome and unpleasant till after my gall bladder came out about 17 years ago. Then about 11 years ago it - the GERD and bile diarrhea by this time - became more than I could deal with on my own. I worked with my GI, took meds for acid, bile diarrhea and had several esophageal strictures dilated. Each time I got worse. I lost weight and couldn't eat because it burned too much and wouldn't stay down. I finally collapsed from lack of sleep due to pain and hunger and was given medications to help me sleep.

I got some better after losing some weight and really watching my diet and then one day I got choked on a biscuit (not a cookie) and thought I was going to choke to death. Went back in to see the GI and he did an EGD and found another stricture. My GI system seems to get worse with each stricture that is dilated. I don't know why; it seems to help most people. Oh, I stop choking for a while and then I get another one.

Then a little over 2 years ago the GERD became so bad that it compromised my sleep to such a degree that the first hint of a panic attack crept in. Then when I began waking about 3 am with GERD and panic on a regular basis a pattern set in that has only gotten worse. Now I awaken about 1:30 and again about 3:30 and finally about 5:30 if I'm lucky. The acid reflux may have been helped but the same condition that existed before the surgery is still present and it is worse.

Much of my food and medication rests above the wrap and ferments and backs up at night when I'm sleeping. That's why I can't eat very much. Or really drink as much as I should. I spit up food debris all day and spend most of my time trying to swallow on down through the wrap the little food I have eaten during the day.

I'm not saying the surgery didn't work for acid reflux. I'm only saying that my surgery didn't clear up all my GI complaints and symptoms and maybe it never will. I don't know yet. I won't know much else till after the EGD on Monday and the chance to tell the GI what I'm still going through for the first time since before surgery.

You sound to me as if you're doing great and are going to continue to get even better and I'm so happy for you.

If at any time you'd like to correspond, maybe we can figure something out.
Until then take care and stay positive.

RIta
What matters in life is not what happens to you but what you remember and how you remember it. - Gabriel García Márquez

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Cindy123
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   Posted 9/30/2011 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh Rita, it seems like quite an ordeal that you went through and still going through. It must have been an even bigger disappointment to come out of that surgery, knowing the complications that can arise, and still have some of the problems you had before but worse. I am really sorry that any human being has to go through that kind of suffering. Let's hope you can get some answers on Monday. Please keep me posted.

As for me. I am doing okay....As I mentioned I still have some unresolved issues and I hope they will go away. My biggest diappointment because I had silent reflux is having to deal with burping and gas buildup. I made a conscious decision to eat every two hours until I am healed properly...that will prevent the gas buildup. I never had these issues before the surgery so it quite bothersome for me now. I didn't give the pills a chance cause my surgeon made the surgery seem like a piece of cake and I jumped for it. You know what Rita, because I worry so much and think the worse, I am glad I did the surgery because I would have constantly be thinking about cancer. Denise is a wonderful woman that kept encouraging me and always reassuring me that things will get better. I think of her and where she is today. She mentioned on this forum that it took her more than a year to feel really good and she thinks that her body is still fine-tuning itself to work better.

Hang in there...and yes if you would like to correspond, let me know. I would be more than happy to talk or e-mail.

Cindy

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 9/30/2011 12:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Before I joined this forum I surfed around the old posts from several years ago and saw where many of the people who are doing fine right now were just as scared and insecure as many of the others who are fairly new here now are scared and insecure. Time and its passing have a way of making it seem like things were a breeze when in reality they weren't a breeze at all.

It's kind of humorous to me in that my husband has helped me try to pin down what might be going on with me still all this time after surgery and even he began recognizing names of some posters to the forum who are now doing well and are so positive. He would say, "Is this the same person who was so concerned about their lack of progress just a couple of years ago?". I didn't know for sure till I looked up the names but they were the same.

I don't like to read scary posts about anything I've ever researched on the internet because one never knows the complete story behind what someone is posting. You don't know if they're being honest, trying to look like something they're not, stealing thunder, trying to scare or discourage - you never know why some people post what they do. In the end you have to make up your mind who and what you want to believe and do the best you can with the information you've been given whether you asked for it or not. The internet is a very illusive place.

I never have been a real worry wort. I believe in finding out what you need to do and doing it if it's going to help. If it's supposed to help. That's what I did with this surgery. Once my GI made hubby and me aware of it and after suffering for 30 years we jumped at the chance for some resolution to GERD. We did our research, both of us, found a good surgeon who has done lots of the procedures, had all the pre-surgical qualifying tests done and took me in for the surgery.

I was stunned when the burning - maybe not reflux - returned so quickly and got so much worse so soon. It may be caused from something other than reflux but if I put food into my mouth it goes as far as my esophagus and stays way, way to long. I feel as if I have bronchitis all the time. I could and choke and spit up mucous and phlegm and my tongue burns, my sinuses drain and I have some bit of something stuck just at the back of my tongue and at the front of my throat which I can feel and at times cough up bits from it.

Not everyone can be as lucky as some who post here. It would be great if we could all be that way but sometimes it's just not in the cards. Being positive is something I too highly encourage because that's the way I've lived my life. I worked for a doctor for 11 years. I was a newspaper columnist writing happy upbeat stories for over 10 years until I got too sick to write in June of this year. I know how far a bit of encouragement can go and the good it can do.

But, encouragement won't remove the thick mucous that collects from the bottom of my esophagus and it won't stop the coughing and choking that wake me up in the middle of the night as much as I would like it to.

It seems we have managed to hijack gladiola's thread here and I imagine we need to cease and desist. It's good to hear from you. Don't worry. You're going to be fine. Maybe I'll get lucky and someone will find out why I still can't breath well, can't eat much of anything and cough myself silly about half the time.

It is a mystery.
Rita
What matters in life is not what happens to you but what you remember and how you remember it. - Gabriel García Márquez

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Cindy123
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   Posted 9/30/2011 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Rita, thanks for taking the time to let me in a little in your world. Your husband sounds like a wonderful man. You are very lucky to have him. I'll keep watching for your progress and if there is anyway I can help, even just to listen, I am here. I'll update you with my progress too.

I pray every night. I'll say a prayer for a speedy recovery for you. Good luck on Monday....keep me posted.

Try and have a good weekend if you can.

Take care Rita.

Cindy

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 10/3/2011 3:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Cindy,

I had my NF wrap dilated today and so far so good. It may not last but at this point I'll take relief just about anyway I can get it. It's nice to be able to breathe and swallow without pain for a change.

I'm hopeful that it will last but if not we'll have it done again if the pain and reflux from my esophagus get to be too much.

And now it's a beautiful day.

Rita
What matters in life is not what happens to you but what you remember and how you remember it. - Gabriel García Márquez

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Cindy123
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   Posted 10/4/2011 7:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Rita, are you saying that the dilation is not permanent???? What do they do? I am glad that you are getting some relief. As promised I have been saying a prayer for you every night. I hope you feel better Rita.

I used to think I may need a dilation but I am almost back to normal...use me as an example. I am now into my 9th month. Things are going to get better. Time is your healer.



Take care.

Cindy

somedaysarediamonds
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   Posted 10/4/2011 9:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Cindy -

I would never have had the dilation if my food went through fast enough but it didn't and the pain was unbearable and the intra-esophageal reflux for 7 of my 9 weeks post-op was making me very ill to the point I couldn't breathe or sleep enough at night. It had to be done and I'm hoping the first time is the charm.

But, some people do have to have it repeated and I will face it if it comes to that. I thank you so much for your prayers and definitely felt them yesterday when I woke up from the dilation procedure. I have bad gastritis and diverticulitis and post-gall bladder removal diarrhea in addition to still having esophagitis after my NF so I have a lot on my plate. I'm not "normal" lol so don't pay any attention to me.

In my case time would not have healed what I've been going through for 7 of the 9 weeks post-op. My wrap needed dilated badly and that's the only thing that would have helped and I'm so glad I went through with it. How long it will last is anyone's guess but I'm going to be positive about it.

I so much appreciate your comments, your caring and your prayers.

Rita
What matters in life is not what happens to you but what you remember and how you remember it. - Gabriel García Márquez

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Cindy123
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   Posted 10/5/2011 7:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Rita, I am so sorry to hear about the issues you are having.  I heard that probiotics really help with gastritis ....I am sure you have read up on probiotics.  There is a bio-K yogurt that is suppose to work wonders for our body in terms of getting rid of bad bacteria and replacing them with good ones.  I used to take one every day after surgery.  They are quite expensive here in Toronto....15 of them for $50.00 but they work. 
 
Did did you feel any pain after the dilation.  I think I am okay, I don't need it and I am glad that I put off the endoscopy until November 24th.  I used to have gastritis and I went the herbal way to get rid of it.  I even went as far as getting my blood analyzed.  I was told that my liver was stress and I had gastritis, hence the probiotics.  I did a liver cleanse too. 
 
I sincerely hope and pray for a speedy recovery for you.  Hang in there.  Are you feeling better with the dilation.  I am assuming your wrap is too tight then? Am I right?
 
Take Rita.   
 
Cindy
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