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   Posted 11/1/2011 10:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,
Me again. OK, so I do believe that the reflux is back. This a week before my two month mark! Unreal. And very Uncool.
So here's the thing. You guys all know so much collectively I'm asking here before I return to my surgeon.
My throat is dry the past few days. Today my voice has become extremely hoarse and sore again. And I can definately feel there's something "there". You can feel it in the burps etc. It's not as bad as before the surgery. I haven't choked awake at night yet. I haven't had the need to vommit yet. But I feel that it wont be long before those start happening again!
So I am so not happy about all this. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any amount of positive thinking is going to change things. Right>???
The reason I had the surgery is because I am allergic to PPI's. I am so not overweight, and I am healthy, do not drink or eat any of the "bad" stuff. Just did not have any form of LES to keep the reflux at bay. So what now? Do I have to consider round number two with the knife? I had / have very bad esophogitis, probably early stage Barret's.
For those with experience, can you have this surgery within months of each other? How long? And also, is it as bad, better, or worse than the first time around. The only thing I really struggled with after my first was low blood pressure and the resulting weakness. That caused some anxiety, but otherwise, like a lot of you have said, I would do it all again if it meant being rid of the problems of GERD. Well, so would I. So I guess I have to consider the possibility of a redo.
Wow. I guess one knows their own body better than anyone. i haven't been back to the Doc, but, I don;t know, I just feel that it's lurking in there again. Silentely - the LPR version that does max damage to the throat before you know it.
So, how long should I leave between ops. And, do you think it's a bit easier knowing what you've been through before. Or harder because the body is weaker? Or what?
I'm hoping I don't have to walk that route agian. I'm hoping something small is the cause, that it's just a little seepage compared to before. And that I can tolerate it. Do you think Gaviscon would help keep it down? So yeah, so hoping that if I do go visit Doc soon again, he'll confirm it's not much and that something can be done.
Otherwise, hope some of you out there are at least doing better. It does so feel great not having reflux!!!! Even though I think my awesome experience thereof was slightly short lived.
Have a good one all.

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   Posted 11/1/2011 10:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Oh Yes -

Strange question, does anyone get this strange "soapy" taste / feeling when they burp?

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   Posted 11/1/2011 12:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Darryl,
I know how hard it is to deal with the things you're feeling right now.  Still, I don't think you should jump the gun and assume the worst.
If you go back to your surgeon he can do tests to see what is what.  My allergy/asthma doc was suspicious that I might be having reflux, so he sent me to a Nissen surgeon who did the complete workup only to come to the conclusion that the wrap was intact and done correctly. 
Try not to let you worries take over your mind.  Just do what you have to do.  Make the appointment, take the tests, and then you can begin talking about redos.  I remember mentioning redo when I first met the surgeon who did the testing, and he said to not even think about that yet. 
You can make yourself crazy with worry.  It will not solve a single thing.
Make the appointment, do what you have to do.  Once you get the results, then you will be able to decide what to do--whether it's a redo, or just give yourself some more healing time.
Here's hoping it's the second option!
Have a lekker day!

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   Posted 11/1/2011 3:13 PM (GMT -6)   

I am very close to you in the healing time. This is my 2nd redo and has been my easiest recovery even though it was done open. The only thing I can think of as too having to wait a certain time between surgeries would be if there was something special done with your esophagus. I have been told by 4 different surgeons that it is a VERY delicate organ and takes time to heal. And this could be what is going on with yours come to think of it.

My best advice is basically the same as Denise's. Get with your surgeon or another surgeon may be better(as a 2nd opinion). I am sure your surgeon wouldn't mind if he is a confident surgeon. None of mine have and actually recommended it. Or get with your GI doctor and have a work up done similar to before surgery to see what is really happening. I know the tests suck and we hate to go through them, but it does give us a real idea of what is going on without guessing. a barium swallow will tell them a lot. I have had so many of these I ran out of fingers and toes on me and my family..LOL!

It is a very real thing for the esophagus to feel somewhat normal amounts of acid/bile or even a tiny amount of food fermenting at the wrap to be very painful. This is what I hope is going on and will ease with more healing.

Please speak with the doctors about testing to see what is happening. Oh, I had to wait 6 to 8 weeks before I could get my redo this time because the hole in my esophagus reopened.

Take care,
Bill devil

Ps. Feel free to email me if you like. I tend to be up all hours of the night and check it regularly.
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   Posted 11/1/2011 5:36 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with the others. Talk to your surgeon about doing testing before considering a redo. I waited 5 months between my first two. I believe I started redoing the tests at about 3 or 4 months. My tests were positive for reflux and I had severe erosion to my esophagus for proof. My healing was the same with all 3 surgeries. Currently my wrap is herniated, twisted, and broken down and I can't get another redo yet. You would think that would be enough to get it fixed!

Healing takes a while. I would try something OTC so see if that helps. Gaviscon did help me but it wore off fast, like 5 minutes. Have you tried carafate(sp)? That soothes the burn. As for 'soapy' burps, I get foamy burps if that's what you mean. Mine has more of a metallic taste than soapy. If your symptoms have improved since before surgery, then I would give it 2 or 3 more weeks.

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   Posted 11/2/2011 12:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Ta guys for the support -

You are all right. And I do still hope all is well inside. It's just that a lot of the time I feel somethings up! But I'm hoping it's just... something. I don't think the wrap failed. It might just be that it's a bit lose. And occasionally let's something slip through. But once or twice I really "overdo" it, ie, on a Saturday night I might have a few beers, eat some heavy no no food, barbeque, garlic loaf with salad that has tomato onion and all that, and go to bed soon after with nothing! So I guess time (and tests) will tell.

I'm giving it a little while before I consult back with the Doc.
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