Time frame for problem foods to manifest

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kaylajane
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   Posted 12/18/2011 7:30 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm wondering if anyone has a clue as to when you would start seeing issues from trigger foods. My throat is almost always irritated but at times more irritated than others and most of the time I don't have a clue which food has triggered the excessive mucous resulting in throat clearing. I wake it up with it most mornings and it's been 12 hours since I've eaten - Does the irritation from trigger food show immediately or does it vary? I know when I eat my whole grain cereal w/fat free milk I'm clearing my throat continuously for 2 hours. I can't figure out if it's an allergy to something or it's triggered the lpr. It is so hard to tell. Right now I'm clearing my throat several times a minute and I've eaten nothing since 5:30 yesterday.

Jesper A
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   Posted 12/18/2011 8:25 AM (GMT -6)   
I know exactly how you are feeling and have wondered about the same thing. Sometimes it feels like the reaction is immediately at other times it feels 16 hours later.
Maybe the answer is that it depends on how your stomach is feeling at that particular time which is why varies?

bcfromfl
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   Posted 12/18/2011 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
What you're noting most likely has nothing to do with trigger foods. It's just reflux. If you've ever had a Bravo pH study, you can see on a graph how the reflux spikes multiple times per day. It just has to do with normal stomach peristalsis, and how the weakened LES allows the acid into the esophagus.

You are particularly vulnerable when you sleep, because the reflux can travel further up into your throat than what usually occurs during the daytime. Damage is cumulative, so that's why the symptoms get worse without active management.

It's possible that the whole grain cereal is "scraping" already raw throat tissue on the way down. Also, eating food gets the stomach working, and reflux becomes more of a possibility.

-Bruce

mudmagnetmum
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   Posted 12/18/2011 11:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Allergic responses are pretty quick - usually within a couple of hours. Food intolerance can take up to 2 days to manifest. As for reflux, it's probably more physiological, or structural as Bruce says. If you have other symptoms that point to food allergy or food intolerance (a rash that comes and goes, itching, wheezing, or other unexplained gut symptoms like bloating or cramping), then it may be worth keeping a food and symptom diary. It may be worth doing anyway, just to prove that the reflux or GERD is working in its own little life cycle, regardless of the type of food eaten. If you do happen to have some hidden triggers, then that would also help to pin them down. You should keep the diary for a couple of weeks and also give yourself a grading for your symptoms (like a mark out of 10 for the day, 10 being the worst possible you could be and 0 being totally symptom free). You can keep a note of other things that may be triggers - exercise, stress, lots of bending and picking things up (which you do all day if you're a mummy!!).

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aeshleyrose
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   Posted 12/18/2011 1:36 PM (GMT -6)   
I can have mine immediately, or up to 24 hours later. It varies wildly.

kaylajane
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   Posted 12/18/2011 6:59 PM (GMT -6)   
This is interesting - it seems impossible to find out what the real triggers are. Bruce - it's not only cereal - I can do the same thing w/melon - I quit using it for the induction diet because it was giving me fits. Cantaloupe is one of my triggers for sure - it feels like it's stuck in my chest. I can occasionally eat it without any issues but when it turns against me it does so with a vengeance. Since I've been on the induction diet I've had more issues with the "warm" feeling backing up into my lower throat. So I'm probably refluxing at the time and it's usually during the day a couple hours after I eat. Doesn't last long but I keep thinking it's just doing more damage. The induction diet really hasn't helped that much - I haven't done it perfectly but I've been pretty careful what I've eaten. The other night I had brown rice w/carrots and broccoli and 1/2 a baked piece of salmon and I had issues with that - it doesn't seem to matter what I eat. I do try to sleep on my left side most of the night which keeps the acid from backing up since the les is now higher than the stomach and I'm usually in a semi-upright position. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm going to have this for the rest of my life.

bcfromfl
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   Posted 12/18/2011 8:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I've seen this misconception about the GI tract before, and the position of the stomach in relation to the LES. The LES and the top of the stomach is ON the left side of your body, so if you sleep on the left side, the contents of your stomach will be forced up the esophagus by gravity. The correct position -- if your goal is to place the LES at the "top" -- is to sleep on your right side.

-Bruce

mock turtle
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   Posted 12/18/2011 8:58 PM (GMT -6)   
bcfromfl

are you sure about that?

i may be confused...i thought as one looks down at ones own chest, the esophagus comes out of the stomach on your right side and a little below the top...so sleeping on your left side places the LES and the opening leading up to the esophagus higher than the rest of the stomach and thus gravity helps us out...no?

what ever the architecture, from experience i do better personally when i sleep on MY left side...but hey this may just be me

have a nice day
mock turtle

bcfromfl
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   Posted 12/18/2011 11:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Just do a Google image search on the GI tract...but remember that the figure of the human body facing you is reversed.

-Bruce

aeshleyrose
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   Posted 12/19/2011 2:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Bruce and Mock,

Almost all heartburn-relief advice I've seen recommends sleeping on the left side to alleviate pain. Here is an article from the NY Times:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/the-benefits-of-left-side-sleeping/

Of course, do whatever works for you, but also remember that GI's have some pretty good advice, also :)

Kaylajane, melon is a huge trigger for me also. I was sad to give it up, but when I follow my diet very strictly, I can have a few bites here and there without any trouble. I just have to savor the little bit that I can have.

I hope everyone is feeling well!
Ashley

Jesper A
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   Posted 12/19/2011 4:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I am with Bruce on this one :) Before my op I noticed a huge improvement by sleeping on my "right" side.
But it may be something that is individual too, so check it out for yourself and see what is best.

kaylajane
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   Posted 12/19/2011 6:54 AM (GMT -6)   
I've seen two separate videos that show that laying on the left side if preferable. One is from that doctor tv show and he has a clear plastic (or glass) mock up of the esophagus and stomach and blue fluid in it. He puts on the left side and the stomach contents stay in the stomach and then flips it to the right side and the stomach contents back up into the esophagus. I'm sure there are some people who are different like Jesper. Frankly I'm not sure which works since nothing seems to help - but I just try to do all I can. I love all the different advice - maybe one day something will trigger what works for me (or someone else for that matter). I'm thinking about getting a vaporizer thinking maybe it will help the breathing passages a bit - I'm not congested but my throat gets so dry at night. Has anyone done this? If so has it done anything?

sunbeam48
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   Posted 12/19/2011 7:04 AM (GMT -6)   
KaylaJane, I'm a lot like you. I could never put my finger on any specific triggers, though fats and acids clearly bother me. The morning was especially difficult I think because acid burned my throat all night, but without heartburn. Now my stomach is constantly a little tender from gastritis I guess. It's not too bad. I'm sorry the Koufman diet hasn't helped you.

I just have a story to add. I ate I guess what was an irritating lunch, which produced the only significant heartburn I have experienced, beginning at 8:45 pm. I had spent the evening sitting on the ground, working in my garden, probably putting too much pressure on my stomach though I've done this many times before and since. It lasted all night, and through the morning, ending after I had a salad for lunch the next day.

aeshleyrose
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   Posted 12/19/2011 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Kayla, I use a humidifier and it helps a ton. I also have dry nasal passages at night, especially in winter, and a warm humidifier is amazing. I bought mine at Wal-Mart for about $10 and use it without the eucalyptus stuff that comes with it. It has to be washed more often than cold air humidifiers but that's a-okay with me because it works so well. I don't have LPR but I would imagine it could work for you, too.

My symptoms are alleviated a bit if I lie on my left side, but they are completely alleviated when I lay on my stomach leaning towards my right side - my right leg is bent at an angle, my left arm is under my head and I'm putting more pressure on the right side of my stomach. We're all so different!!

Also, I'm sorry if I've missed this - have you tried keeping a food diary? This was how I figured out I had a dairy intolerance (still not confirmed by a doc, but avoiding dairy helps my symptoms a lot). If you haven't, it really does help. If you have, I'm sorry that you're trying all of this and not getting the results you were hoping for. It's definitely a hard road, but you have friends and well-wishers here at HealingWell to help you along the way.

Ashley
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