LPR and Belching

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sk55
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   Posted 1/28/2012 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Nickles,

i wanted to answer you question on a new thread:

I tried the low carb diet:

basically you do like under 20 net carbs for like 2 weeks. I made progress dimishing the belching with this and some of my LPR symptoms.

problem staying on very low carbs is pretty hard. I was also following koufman diet rules doing this, watching my dietary acid intake.


describes it somewhat here:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/heartburn-cured/




now looking at the

Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD)

The premise is you basically damaged the gut flora, with antibiotics in my case, thus you want to starve out the bad bacteria in your gut, thus leading to less intestinal gas production, leading to less LPR Reflux or normal reflux.


Theory makes sense: if PPI aren't working, and your EGD and manometry look okay. The gas causing the belching and re flux is coming from the intestines. If gas is coming from the GUT, PPI use might be less effective and also can also make the symptoms worse.



I think this belching is the last piece of the LPR puzzle, stop the belching will the cure the LPR.


-J








>>>>I had a journal as I did it, so I would say about 80 percent gone, I would get here in there BUT I could feel the difference.

I only believe lpr/gerd are caused by what you said when we rule out structural damage like a hiatal hernia I think. I rule that out for me so this is the reason I think it is the guts.

What have you tried sk5

Nickles
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   Posted 1/28/2012 11:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with you, but the low carb would probably kill me.
I bet it is hard if you tried it. Have you tried any natural supplements?

My diet is pretty clean and I have extra adjustments to help my gut by going gluten free, dairy free, and soy-free, low sugar diet.

This also caused me to lose weight but I have found a substitute to each but find it hard to gain weight.

Get tested if you can and have money with some of the labs I mentioned, if you haven't yet. My belief is, if the regular things have not worked, what do we have to lose to check something that can possibly be causing our LPR.


How did your LPR/Gerd start again?

I actually remember mine I was 17years old. My diet use to consist of a lot fast food like McDonalds, taco bell, Carl's Jr., burgers, pizza, fries, chinese food. I remember my last MdDonalds meal gave me that super odd burp from within my throat and not my stomach. Later that week I developed a chronic dry cough for 3 months and then it finally turned into constant burping. I didn't realized something was wrong until I would wake up with a bitter taste in my mouth because I use to eat late in the night like 1am or 2am in the morning. 
 
One thing I should mention is I always been a thin person. I have a high metabolism so my highest weight was 153pds, my height is 5'9''. So the 20 pds I've lost since last summer is a lot.

This weight loss was due to my new diet, cleansing, healthier eating. Anyways my current battle is with h pylori and that parasite that I will address in 2 weeks, I just ordered new supplements to attack it.
 
Anyways let me know if you have tried supplements, used any labs, or any other thoughts you have.

Post Edited (Nickles) : 1/28/2012 9:45:58 PM (GMT-7)


sk55
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   Posted 1/29/2012 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
nickles,

during the coughing period, did your dr. prescribe you antibiotics?


> Later that week I developed a chronic dry cough for 3 months and then it finally turned into constant burping. I didn't realized something was wrong until I would wake up with a bitter taste in my mouth because I use to eat late in the night like 1am or 2am in the morning.

Nickles
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   Posted 1/29/2012 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
That's the one thing I can't remember because I was 17 at the time and my stepmom took me 3 times because the cough wouldn't go away.

So I took 3 prescriptions at different visits. Meaning I probably took 3 mecidines.
The one medication I do remember taking was promethazine. It was suppose to be for the cough but is not an antibiotic. That name stuck to me for years because I was suffering.

I think my issues were a combination of stress/bad eating habits/doing too much at the time.

I just cant remember if I took something else before 17.....

Anyways, are you on anything yet? How r ur symptoms?

sk55
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   Posted 1/29/2012 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
nickles,

I was stressed out at the time, eating poorly, lots of carbs and fats. I got sick with a upper respiratory infection that lasted a month. At the time Dr. Misdiagnosed the LPR, so i took a ton of different antibiotics for a month.

Started out at night time reflux, affecting my throat wasn't bad at first like a sore throat. Then i didn't know anything about the koufman diet so i was still eating alot of acidic things, then after like 2 weeks it exploded to barely able to eat anything and severe throat burns in my throat.

i would say i am about 80-90% healed now, symptoms are like minor sore throat. The only issues is if i am not careful with what i do, I get can get a decent burn on my throat which sets you back like a month in healing.
I also basically stopped eating at any restaurants, which sucks socially.


I was able to completely cut out 2x max dose PPI Nexium 40mg. But my doctor put me back on it with a different PPI.

I tried a bunch of supplements didn't really work. Right now i take probiotics, which seem to help somewhat.

Try to control my stress and anxiety which seems to be helping alot. Diet seems to be the biggest factor for me right now, I am almost leaning towards like fasting for a day or 2... See if i get more healing done. I noticed feeling great when i fasted one day.

I am constantly learning more things about what to eat, hopefully i'll get the combination right.

I am definitely gonna get the lab testing done.


One thing i also notice people getting Lap Fundo surgery, doesn't seem to have a high success rate regarding LPR. If you think about it, all surgery does its tighten UP the LES, causing more pressure build up down there.
It doesn't solve the problem if lower intestinal gas is blasting the LES open and spraying your throat with acid.


Some testing you might want to consider is the low acid test. Heisenberg capsule testing.

Some people have low acid, thus some get relif taking Apple Cider Vinegar. low acid can give you GERD syptomps. You can ask your nuropath about taking HCL pills.
I tried it for a weeks, seems to work but then i had big belch from too much broccolli (which i avoid now to this day) and i got a decent burn on my esophagus.
HCL with pepsin is better the ACV for people with LPR, since it basically does the same thing, but your not burning your throat with acid since its a pill.
You need to be very careful with HCL like 1 pill a day with a protein meal... then you scale up slowly... definitely would have your doctor monitor you when you do it. It is basically stomach acid in a pill.


You might want to try low carb like under 20 net carbs a week or 2. You'll be surprised how much symptom reduction you get in 2 weeks. At any rate it will give you a clue where your gas is coming from.

regarding H. pylori, my 2 cents its pretty tough to kill, i doubt any natural supplements will get rid of it. You should get a urea breath test confirm the lab results.
Typically you would get gastritis, tender stomach or stomach ulcers cause of h. pylori. one usually takes combination antibiotics to kill it. The trick is to get the right combo.

ask your doctor about sequential antibiotic therapy, it has a better success rate.

http://www.annals.org/content/148/12/962.full



In summary, LPR is like a big puzzle, some times you need to eat this, stop PPI, or start PPI again, the symptoms are the key. Once you resolve all your symptoms you'll prob be cured.

Post Edited (sk55) : 1/29/2012 11:30:09 AM (GMT-7)


Nickles
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   Posted 1/29/2012 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
The diet I wont be able to try due to my weight. I would if I could but as I am a naturally thin person I cannot afford to lose any more weight.
 
I am at 125pds.
 
As for testing with my regular MD, I dont have insurance so i can't get the antibiotics however that is what I am looking at in the next couple of months for secondary treatment with antibiotics.
 
I want to try the natural supplements first though because I have taken antibiotics for the h pylori. I did it twice but my mistake was not knowing enough about the bacteria and taking the same antibiotic within a period of 3 years which didnt help.
 
In the literature i read and based on my naturapathic we do believe this theory too. That is coming from the guts and you do have to starve them but like I said that Paragone was like whoaaa man I actually got rid of my belching for a month.
 
In other words i know it has to do something with a parasite or h pylori.
 
Anyways I will keep you posted and keep me posted on any further thoughts, theories, research etc...
 
I come around every so often on this board. I thought I was headed towards recovery this last sept after the paragone but chanted victory too early..
 
I would really love to share all my ups and downs with medicine/supplements and show that this can be resolved in the meantime we have to wait.

sunbeam48
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   Posted 1/29/2012 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
My belching gradually dropped down to normal on the Koufman diet. I don't remember to mention that often because the other symptoms bothered me more.
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