one month out, first time reflux, but....

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sopranomeg
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   Posted 9/13/2012 5:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Guys,

I am posting new topic b/c I think more people see it that way?

It is one month tomorrow that I had a hernia repair and a nissen. all has been well-- with the assistance of people on this site helping me when in a panic.

I have not once had reflux since surgery--

but....

I was in ER yesterday with something totally different.
they gave me something called tramadol around five and then I had to take another before bed.

I woke up with burninng and what felt and still feels like reflux at 3 am on!
I am soo panicked.
my doc is out of town. he secretary said this med is hard on stomach.
food going down fine.

what if I did all this for nothing? all has gone well thus far!

I do have a sensitive stomach, but I thought we were not supposed to be able to reflux?????

any support appreciated.

thank you
megan cry

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   Posted 9/13/2012 8:32 PM (GMT -6)   
As we have mentioned before the stomach is a quirky thing during recovery.
You can take some carafe if you have some, or take some pepto.
Your stomach is irritated from the tramadol.
I have to take tramadol daily and I always make sure I have food in my stomach.
Joy
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opnwhl4
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   Posted 9/13/2012 10:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Megan-

It is hard on you stomach. also remember they can't stop all reflux. Well they could, but we wouldn't be able to get anything pass the LES if they made it that tight. Don't be surprised if you get some off and on while it's still healing. Eventually when it all settles in there should be way less reflux. Similar to what people without GERD have.

Take care,
Bill
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sopranomeg
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   Posted 9/14/2012 9:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I am in shock and devastated. Hopeless even.

Yes....I had to take tramadol and peridiem the last two days.... but I am one month post nissen ToDAY and I've had acid in my throat last two nights. Even affects voice. All had been so well.
my procedure and these five scars and money and pain and losing my job for being so ill... was all in vain?
Did anyone else have burning or reflux ir whatever after procedure.... only to get better again?

Despairingly yours. Sorry to be so heavy. I'm in shock.

Megan

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   Posted 9/15/2012 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Megan, please stop panicing.
Your stomach is still healing. I had occasional reflux during my first months. The pain medicine has probably caused some irritation and it has not have time to heal from it.

Please be patient...give it time...

Ask your doctor for some prilocet to soothe it until you feel better. I took nexium for first three months to wean down and protect the healing.
Joy
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sopranomeg
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   Posted Yesterday 6:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi guys..
I just want to touch base.

I can anything now. And it goes down fine.
I actually got scared cuz I thought maybe my wrap was loosened or something.

Let me ak you....

If you are starving... and I have been lately for long periods of time...
Do you feel more acid and maybe sometimes some creeping up into esophagus? I've had to go like nine hours without eating and feel burning.

I am now on a strong antibiotic and peridiem...I have like a sweet puddle or drip in my throat..... evev after eating. It makes no sense.

My esoph not my stom felt swollen this am as I ate my biscotti this am. Ughhjj.
thanks for listening.
Any feedback more than appreciated
Meg

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   Posted Yesterday 6:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Please don't starve yourself. Your stomach and esophagus have to adjust to eating like normal.

When your stomach is empty it will make acid in preparation for food.
You're still healing and things are quirky.
Joy
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Pick them up and throw them right back at them! :))

sopranomeg
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   Posted Yesterday 7:01 PM (GMT -6)   
You rock Joy thank you! :)
meg

sopranomeg
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   Posted Yesterday 11:06 PM (GMT -6)   
How do I know if I'm still healing or if it failed?
sorry to be a nuisance.. but I had not had acid coming up and now I seem to...

couchtater
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   Posted Yesterday 11:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Because this is the standard healing time span for everyone.
The first four months at least you get heartburn feelings off and on as you adjust. I've heard some people complain as much as six months then suddenly they wake up feeling fine.
If you are still having issues at the 6 months time then I'd begin to get checked out and find out if things have gone wrong.

So please relax and stop fighting the process. If a food causes heartburn avoid it right now. Try bland foods for right now.
Joy
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Pick them up and throw them right back at them! :))

eLaReF
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   Posted Today 7:41 AM (GMT -6)   
I was told to only eat puree'd or really soft and bland food for at least 6 weeks, so surprised you are on biscotti so quickly after your op.

Have you tried going back to softer blander foods while you are still healing - I know this can be hard, but as I said in another post, the 1st pizza when I could eat solid foods again tasted like heaven :)

sopranomeg
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   Posted 9/21/2012 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
hi forum fam,

how do antibiotics affect your stomach? I was one last week and today after a proceedure the doc gave me 500 mgs of cipro.
I am hoping this is contributing the burning and reflux, although my doc told me I would never have acid reflux again.

need support.

I need to call him mon and get in there soon.

pls tell me again that even tho I can eat ANYTHING--- everything goes down just fine and even tho I am having burning in esoph and stom and had my suregery five weeks ago--
that it still may not be a failure.

the hopelessness and depression are unreal from the disappointment.

I used to be a pro model, actor singer...
I lost my vocal career and recording a cd b/c of reflux.

now, b/c of my marks on stomach, I will never be doing bikini or summer work again and god knows if any man will ever want to be with me.

I have lost 16 pounds since surgery and was already thin. I should model. I look like those anorexic models.

thank you and take care.

any support begged for. I am taking pepto again and that does not seem right.
I had two tfs before this.
megan

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   Posted 9/21/2012 8:07 PM (GMT -6)   
The antibiotics might have caused you some irritation.

Ask your doctor for some nexium to soothe it.
Joy
Lupus, Fibromyalgia, Glaucoma, Asthma, Hypothyriodism, and Allergies

When life throws you lemons....
Pick them up and throw them right back at them! :))

sopranomeg
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   Posted 9/21/2012 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone been on elmiron? Started it today.
Thanks

dencha
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   Posted 9/21/2012 9:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Dear Meg,
Sorry I haven't been around...we were on vacation.  Tramadol and antibiotics are both very hard on your stomach--especially if you have a "sensitive stomach".  I have a very reactive stomach, and had to have a course of antibiotics after my surgery because I had a lung infection that hadn't cleared.  My doctor was so concerned about putting anything into my very sensitive stomach that he gave me my antibiotics via shots (Rocephin) instead.
 
Antibiotics have always set my stomach off.  Because I have asthma, before my surgery, a course of antibiotics put me in the hospital with gastritis and reflux that was causing my lungs to become so inflamed that my asthma doc was fearful for my life. I could never take a drug like tramadol or NSAIDS. 
 
It's unfortunate that you're having to take these medications so soon after your surgery.  Since you have a sensitve stomach, these drugs are adding to the challenges of recovery.
 
Do you still have any PPIs hanging around the house?  If so, it would be wise to start taking them again until you get off all these meds and your stomach has a chance to recover.
 
Many people who are recovering from Nissen surgery have reflux symptoms and fret over the fear that their surgery has been a failure.  It's very common during recovery.  Losing weight is to be expected, and nearly everyone loses 15 to 25 pounds as they recover.  This will all resolve itself when you are fully healed.
 
Try not to project negative outcomes into your future.  You are at the beginning stages of recovery, and that recovery has been compromised by the treatment of a non-related health problem.  This adds an additional challenge to overcome.  You'll be okay...things will be fine, once the healing has had a chance to progress.
 
Stick with us!  We'll help you through it all.
Hang in there!
Denise
Words of wisdom by Eckhart Tolle:
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”

sopranomeg
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   Posted 9/21/2012 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I "wrap" my arms around you in appreciation Denise.

bless you,,,

Megan

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   Posted 9/28/2012 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Amen! Thank you Denise! I'm having the same exact fear right now. I'm 16 days post op of TIF and hiatal hernia repair and still having acid reflux, especially when I try to take my supplements like probiotic and omega-3's and calcium (powdered). I'm sooooo scared I did all this for nothing! wanna cry! I'll just keep rereading your post all day today to comfort myself.

Ruth

sopranomeg
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   Posted 10/11/2012 8:01 PM (GMT -6)   
would any of you be willing to talk on the phone?
 
I am at wits end.
almost two months in and I still can't handle a cup of coffee and have burning.....
 
ciao.....
 
oh, and another question--
when a surgeon repairs a hiatal hernia,
who is to say, that the stomach does not just spring/snap back into the original -- hernia position?
I am sure they do not staple it or anything.  :)
 
 
Hi Denise!
 
Meg

dencha
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   Posted 10/12/2012 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Meg,
Take a breath...relax.  You're almost 2 months along in a process that takes 6 months to a year.  While your incisions have healed and it seems all should be back to normal, that is an unrealistic expectation.  You've had MAJOR, MAJOR surgery.  Because the surgery was laproscopic, the healing remains hidden--thus your expectation that you should be back to normal by now.
 
Listen to your body.  If it's saying, "No coffee..." don't drink it yet.  Often after the initial swallowing issues, when healing post-Nissen patients start experimenting with foods and eating more aggressively, there will be discomfort.  That's your body's way of saying to back off--it's not ready to move to that level of eating.
 
As far as the hiatus hernia stabiity goes, the sugeon places sutures to secure the opening to it's pre-herniated position.  This suturing is what keeps the wrap in place.  Without a securely repaired hiatus hernia, the wrap will slip.  You can be assured that your HH was stitched securely.  What you're experiencing is normal healing, not a reherniated HH.
 
What you're doing is struggling against your recovery.  You're at your "wits end" because you want your healing to move at your speedy-paced expectation.  That's not how it works.  Your recovery is going to take its own sweet time.  There is a lot of healing that still needs to take place, and after all healing is complete, there's the job of adjusting to the new upper GI configuration. 
 
Surrender.  No matter how much you will it to be so, your recovery won't be rushed.  It is as it is.  Relax and go with the flow.  You're wasting precious healing energy on this fruitless effort.  When your body is ready to accept coffee again, it will, and not a moment sooner.
 
Wish I could give you the answer you want, but I can't. 
This is the reality.  Breathe.  Relax.  Give your body a chance to heal and adjust.  When that happens, you'll move back to eating and drinking normally.  It's not time for that yet. 
Hang in there!
Denise
 
 
 
 
Words of wisdom by Eckhart Tolle:
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”

Post Edited (dencha) : 10/13/2012 7:56:31 PM (GMT-6)


sopranomeg
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   Posted 10/12/2012 1:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you angel denise.
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