9 days post-op PAIN!!!

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Chelle1
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   Posted 10/18/2012 12:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello everyone. I'm 9 days-post op from having a Nissan Fundopl. Wrap and Hernia Repair.  My whole gut keeps tightening up (like a contraction when you are pregnant) and then letting loose.  I also have pain on my left side of my gut that feels like a hard core cramp/stabbing sensation.  I'm eating my pain meds. like they are candy.  PLEASE help! Any idea of what's going on?
 
Thanks
Chelle

couchtater
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   Posted 10/18/2012 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
What have you been eating/drinking?
You are probably having spasms in your diaphragm. Is your food going down okay? Are you keeping your meals to no more than 1/2 cup every two hours?

You should still be on totally liquid diet. If it can't pass through a strainer you don't consume it.
Joy
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Sweet Potatoe
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   Posted 10/18/2012 3:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Chelle I am 10 days post op from TIF hernia surgery. I have been experimenting with different food and my blender to try to get it to the right full liquid pureed smooth consistency. Noodles don't work there are little bumps in the blend even at the liquify setting. Cooked potatoes do great, You can add milk , broth ect to make them thinner. Frozen spinach is great. I cook it in my slow cooker Then put in the blender using chicken broth. Today I baked my self a pumpkin pie. The pumpkin part should go in the blender then I can top it with cool whip. Since it is all liquid I am using a dish with divided sections so it does not run together looks more appealing. This is the toughest part of this post op healing process. My surgeon told me I had to stay on this pureed full liquid diet for 30 days. Good luck . Hang in there. I hope your pain sub sides. If we break any food rules we are in pain. No fun.
Anne

dencha
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   Posted 10/18/2012 7:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chelle,
It sounds as if you're having spasms.  Have you discussed this with your surgeon?  You should not be in that much pain.  You are in the midst of the most difficult part of your recovery, but it seems to me that what you're experiencing isn't typical.  If it only lasts a short time and subsides within a day or so, I'd say it was a quirky bump in the recovery road. It it lasts several days, your surgeon should be informed.  You should not have to be in that much pain.
 
Joy's suggestion of backing off on your eating and sticking to liquids is a good one.  Since you're having painful reaction to eating, take it very easy.  Also, are you being careful with not drinking anything very cold?  Iced drinks can cause pain.  Be sure to stay away from straws as well, as they introduce a lot of air into your stomach.
 
I'm not sure if your surgeon told you, but your wrap is becoming increasingly more swollen during the first two weeks of recovery, and this swelling can cause a lot of discomfort at the wrap site, and make swallowing difficult.
 
In my experience, the incision site at the left rib was the most painful of all, and the pain lasted the longest.  When I questioned my surgeon, he said that that's the port where most of the work is done when manipulating the surgical tools.
 
Again, I can't emphasize enough the importance of letting your surgeon know that you're having so much pain.  Generally there is not a lot of pain with this recovery, so he/she should be made aware of your difficulties.
 
Good luck!  Let us know what you find out and how you're feeling!
Best wishes,
Denise 
Words of wisdom by Eckhart Tolle:
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”

Chelle1
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   Posted 10/19/2012 1:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks everyone for your response. I'm on a liquid only diet. I have contacted my surgeons office and am awaiting their call right now.  I don't think it's anything I'm eating because I'm just drinking water, Ensure, and having jello. Will let you know what the surgeons office has to say.
 
Chelle

dencha
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   Posted 10/19/2012 6:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chelle,
I'm glad you're going to discuss this with your surgeon.  He/she should be aware of how you're struggling.  I hope you get help and can find relief.
Let us know how it goes.
Best wishes!
Denise
Words of wisdom by Eckhart Tolle:
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”

Chelle1
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   Posted 10/20/2012 9:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, I heard from the sugeons office yesterday. They said that the side cramp on the left is normal and also my gut stiffening up (like a contraction) is normal as well. (Which I find that strange.) They said that when the surgeon went in to do the Nissen Fundo. Wrap my liver was sitting where my stomach was supposed to be along with some other organs that were strangley not in their right place. The surgeon had to move my organs back to where they belong, pull the stomach down out of my chest cavity and put stiches to hold ALL my organs back to where they belong. Meaning, I have more stitches inside me than I had orginally realized. They said I would be extremely sore/painful longer than the average person for this. They changed my pain medicine as they thought I was on too low of a dose. I was taking Norco 7.5 mg 1/2 every 4 hours. They now have me on Norco 10's ever 2 to 4 hours. Last night was the first night that I actually slept in a bed (been on the couch sitting up) and actually laid on my right side with the help of some pillows. Since on the new pain meds. I feel much better. So, it actually was not my diet afterall as I have just been on liquids only since I got home. Thanks for all of your feedback! This is such a wonderful site with such caring individuals!
Love to All!
Chelle

Sweet Potatoe
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   Posted 10/20/2012 10:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Chelle.
I am so happy you called your surgeon to find out all this pain is normal. I was calling my surgeons office every day of my first week home asking if the symptoms pain, belching ect was normal. Of course they told this was normal. The only medication change they made is to take mylanta to help control the gas pains I was experience. I am happy you finally got a good night sleep in your own bed.
Anne :-)

Chelle1
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   Posted 10/20/2012 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Anne!

couchtater
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   Posted 10/20/2012 3:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Glad to hear you're feeling better.
Joy
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When life throws you lemons....
Pick them up and throw them right back at them! :))

Chelle1
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   Posted 10/21/2012 7:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Joy!!!

Chelle1
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   Posted 10/21/2012 7:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Anyone having a problem with hiccups???

dencha
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   Posted 10/21/2012 8:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chelle,
While  didn't have the problem post-Nissen, it's an extremely common problem created by irritation of the diaphram during the surgery.  I know it's very painful.  It will subside once healing progresses a little more.  Hopefully someone will come by to share how they dealt with the problem.  Thankfully, it's temporary, but I know that doesn't help you now.  Don't worry about it bothering your wrap...it's very sturdy!
 
I did read once that candied ginger root (juice only, spit out the pulp) can be helpful.  Just thought I'd throw that out...
 
Good luck!
Denise
Words of wisdom by Eckhart Tolle:
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”

Pat Tall
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   Posted 10/21/2012 9:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chelle. How you doing today? Just a thought about Jello--could the citric acid and food coloring be irritating to the healing tissue, and Jello is cold too. Maybe others with more experience will comment on very well blenderized foods to keep up your nutrition needs for healing. You can make it very liquidy with little residue. Saw another suggestion to use a jar of infant baby food meat into liquid. Check things out with your doc. Thinking of you.

dencha
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   Posted 10/21/2012 9:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chelle,
Pat Fill has a good point.  Definitely avoid cold things and see if that helps at all.  Because of your more extreme surgical procedure you're probably going to experience surgical side effects a little more.  Hopefully others will be by to offer some other suggestions.
 
I do remember Joy (couchtater), who also dealt with hiccups post-op, say that it's important to slow down when you eat, but since you're only taking in liquids, I guess it would pertain to when you drink as well.  Also, are you avoiding straws and iced drinks?  Those can cause problems.  Be sure to "eat" carefully, and don't overfill your healing stomach.  Many small meals throughout the day, rather than bigger quantities at one time.
 
Hang in there!
Denise
Words of wisdom by Eckhart Tolle:
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”

Chelle1
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   Posted 10/25/2012 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello everyone! Hope all is well with all of you!! I'm post-op day 17dys, still having hiccups. Not drinking anything really cold. I am however drinking Ensure Nut. drinks and they are cold from the fridge. My hiccups come and random times! Still having pain on left side, especially when I need to bend over to pick something up off of the floor.  Still having those stomach (gut) contractions which is extremely painful.  I don't take pain well, so any type of pain I get I'm just a baby about it :((. I'm sooo hungry. It's hard to watch my husband eat regular food!!! I ate some soup yesterday and got way too full, WON'T do that again, talk about misery!!!
 
Anyways, I just love this site, it's nice to talk with other people going through similar situations!
Love to all!!
Michelle

dencha
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   Posted 10/25/2012 3:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chelle,
Cold from the fridge is still too cold.  Try taking the Ensure out a half hour or a little more before you're going to drink it.  Try to get it to room temperature before drinking it.  The hiccups will subside once you've healed more. 
 
At 19 days, you're just moving past peak swelling and things are still in the beginning stages of healing.  It's a 6 month process, so if you think long-term, you'll understand why it's normal to be stuggling with healing at this point.
 
Eat very small meals all day long...keep your meals to 1/3 to 1/2 cup at the very most.  Listen to your body...your stomach will let you know what it can and can't tolerate.
 
It WILL get better.  Patience.  Try to surrender to your recovery and just go with the flow. 
You can do this!
Denise
Words of wisdom by Eckhart Tolle:
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”

opnwhl4
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   Posted 10/25/2012 4:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Chelle-

I had the hiccups with all 3 nissens. I figured out they usually start when my stomach had enough in it, whether it was food or liquids. It usually took some time to go away. I also believe I got them if I swallowed too much air.

Take care.
Bill

Ps. It does get better and is well worth the the recovery trials.
opnwhl4
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Nissen 6/06 and 5/09
#3 on 8/24/11

ladyinred
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   Posted 10/25/2012 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm reading a post from moderator Bill about 3 Nissans.....is it common to have to have them redone? I'm still waiting for a date for my surgery...getting the manometry (yeah) next Wednesday. I go between anxious and terrified about the surgery...
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