"Supragastric Belching": anyone else have this?

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theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 11/24/2012 11:04 AM (GMT -6)   
My GI said it is something they see now and then. My esophagus makes frequent rumbling and burping sounds. I guess it is from air trapped above my stomach, in my esophagus, that shifts around and what not. He said they have people who can teach breathing techniques, since this can often hurt peoples professional lives (esophagus going nuts in meetings, etc.).

Anyone else had this? It sucks so much, and now to have it on top of GERD is just the bee's knees.

dencha
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   Posted 11/24/2012 12:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi ARM,
I've definitely had that happen.  It is embarrassing, I know, and there's really no way to stop it.  I'll have to notice, but I don't think it has been as common since my Nissen.  I'll have to pay better attention and let you know.
Good luck!
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theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 11/24/2012 12:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dencha,

Thanks. I have it every day pretty frequently, especially when I lay on my left side. But its a constant thing I have to do my best to suppress in almost any meeting during the day at work.

Initially it was unstoppable, but I recently found that I can usually make it not make a sound if I stretch my body in different ways. So when I am in a meeting now, if I feel it coming I'll try to fake like I am stretching so that it doesn't make a sound as it passes through my esophagus.

theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 11/25/2012 4:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I hope that any guys that also have supra-gastric belching are already married because I would have to guess that it isn't a positive with the ladies. Thank goodness my body started with all this crap after meeting my wife because otherwise I'd be living alone in a windowless basement eating ramen noodles.

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   Posted 11/28/2012 9:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi ARM,
You're too funny! tongue
I thought of you yesterday when I had one of my, what I call throat gurgles and you call (when you get all technical on us) supra-gastric belching .  Guess I still get it post Nissen, which makes sense, since that wrap is not allowing the free-flow of air.  Not all that exciting, but you brought up the subject!
Oh well...
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theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 11/29/2012 5:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Cool, thanks for letting me know :)

babygirl10150
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   Posted 11/30/2012 5:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I get this alot. I get a very nauseous feeling and then I get a gurgling from my esophagus. It's very odd but I can usually tell before it happens. If I open my mouth, it's quite loud.

I'm happy (I think) to say my husband has heard/seen worse things from me. :) If I'm around others, I just say it must be lunch/dinner time!
Michelle

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belljar1995
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   Posted 12/1/2012 8:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Is this the throat and chest "gurgling"? I have this too, quite often. It's not especially loud to others (just to me) and I definitely can feel "something" coming up. If I lie flat, it will stop. Is this just air or is it actually reflux or both? I wonder if this is what is contributing to my feelings of pressure in the sternum.

dencha
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   Posted 12/1/2012 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
It's in the throat. I only have it occasionally, but yes...it can be fairy loud and embarassing at times. In my opinion it's air. I don't feel ay pressure when I have it. It's just a gurgling that sounds suspiciously like a burp, but I have to apologize and swear it's not! LOL!
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Eckhart Tolle

drtinsac
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   Posted 12/1/2012 2:37 PM (GMT -6)   
If that's the throat making noises, then I get that too. Sometimes I can feel it about to come on, then I'll open my mouth and make a sound with it. :)

belljar1995
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   Posted 12/1/2012 9:02 PM (GMT -6)   
wow-- so it doesn't come from the stomach then??...that means there is no aerolized acid/pepsin? Is it related to any esophageal dysmotility? I did look it up, but not much around on it!

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   Posted 1/3/2013 4:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Hiya, I suffer from this problem daily and I find it is worse too when I lie on my left side and stops/is minimal when I'm lying on my back. Your post about a windowless basement made me laugh but I'm a 21 year old girl who has yet to find a guy who understands this embarassing problem so for me the future isn't looking too promising, I'll be the one in the basement eating noodles haha, sad but true. Anyway, Acid Reflux Man in particular, as our problems seem identical, I was wondering if you've had any luck with a cure or at least something that helps. It's ruining my life and is no way to live. I know there are people with a lot worse problems in the world but this is constant and happens so many times throughout the day, it really makes my days miserable as I try to conceal these weird grunts and groans. I've been put on Omprezole 40mg but it's had no effect, also been on other meds as well as slippery elm, marshmallow root, peppermint oil plus so many others. I've yet to try Heartburn out by renew life which has a combination of natural remedies so I remain hopefully this could help as it is spraying directly into the throat but we shall soon see as it is on it's way to me at the moment. I've tried ph buffers to reduce the acid as well as BEtaine to increase acid as I'm not sure which is causing acid reflux and I've googled 'gurgling in throat' so many times desperate for a cure. Please help!

theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 1/3/2013 6:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Milly,

Please, drop the formalities and just call me Reflux Man :), haha

I still have it but it is noticeably better now than it was a few months ago. I don't know why. The only change is that now I take 40mg Prilosec per day whereas I used to take only 20mg.

I can tell you that I did read somewhere that it is usually not a permanent condition. Average duration is approx. 2 years. So I don't know if it subsides by itself or what, but what I read gave me hope.

I can also tell you that I followed up with my GI to find out who could help me with behavioral therapy or what not. I thought it would be a guy specialized in supragastric belching. But it was just some behavior therapy guy who does everything, from constipation to IBS and stuff. I talked to him on the phone and don't want to sound fippant, but the guy didn't convince me. He seemed to say he does 'stress management techniques' and stuff. I don't know about you, but during 5 years of GERD I have seen a few people for stress management crap, usually when I was a student, and it never ever helped me. I thought seeing this guy would probably be a waste of time, and I'd also have to pay to do it. So I didn't do it.

Lets stay in touch since you are the only other person that I have ever heard of that has this; maybe one day we will figure it out. Until then I can always rent you my basement. No visitors!

Stockster
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   Posted 1/3/2013 8:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I get this all the time too. You two are not alone! Its like a belch with no effort, way down behind the sternum. Like a weak gurgle.

I hTe the feeling, as I usually end up with a little heart burn after it.

The comment about having this and not having a mate is pretty funny, but either way sucks. Those of us who are married may end up one day divorced, with kids, with baggage and an uncontrollable burping habit. I consider you lucky!

Not saying I'm in a bad marriage, rather I'm just saying it hypothetically.

Cheers

theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 1/3/2013 9:20 PM (GMT -6)   
My marriage is bad and I am hoping that the supragastric belching will finalize it :) j/k

millymilly123
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   Posted 1/4/2013 1:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Haha, you are very funny :P thanks for the info, unfortunately I've had this for at least ten years, as long as I can remember really which really sucks but I'm still hopefully it will go away. I'm really glad it's better for you now though Reflux Man :P. Stockster is does suck doesn't it :(. I read an article about Aerophagia and I think that's perhaps causing the noises, I could be wrong but it did sound familiar to me when I read about it. I think the noises are like little internal burps that are trying to get up and out of my throat but just get stuck and make a noise too low in the throat. I found a study that was interesting. Not sure if I can put links in here so if you google: Aerophagia, gastric, and supragastric belching: a study using intraluminal electrical impedance monitoring and put gut.bmj after it then you'll find the one I'm talking about. It seems to suggest that it isn't gas from the stomach but just a large amount of extra gas we inhale/ingest throughout the day that just remains stuck in the throat. It seems annoying that there are products such as charcoal which are supposed to absorb gas in the stomach but nothing that will just target the throat - I've tried everything, slippery elm, marshmallow root, urghhhh it's so frustrating. Also, another forum where there are loads and loads of people with the same problem is on ehealthforum.com and type in I can't burp into the search bar - 84 pages of people with the same problem but no solution but I recommend you have a look. Can you burp properly? Everyone on the forum with the same issues can't. I promise if I find a cure I will post back on here and if you could do the same I would be so grateful :)

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   Posted 1/4/2013 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I wonder if that sound/feeling is an indicator that the wrap is holding? I figured that was the case, and so when I get that (I'm not getting it as much now, after over one year post-surgery), I feel relieved, under the assumption that it means my wrap is doing just fine.

Stockster
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   Posted 1/4/2013 7:34 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't have any type of surgery yet as i think that will be the next step for me. I have that gurgle burp down below. I think it may be coming from my HH... Not sure.

I can burp normally too.

?

Lates!

theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 1/4/2013 7:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I can also burp normally, and have not had any surgery.

I first noticed this after yawning. At the end of yawns, some air would squeak out or sometimes come out with a 'pfffft'.

I am doing better but nowhere near normal. Just today I had a meeting at work and literally every 5 minutes some air was coming out.

FML.

dude1969
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   Posted 1/4/2013 8:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't know it had a name, but I've had it since my teens... I'm 43 now. I've been in a bit of a remission, however. I started taking Vitamin C and L-lysine for cholesterol a little over a month ago. 6 grams of Vitamin C and 4 grams of Lysine spread out thru out the day. Since beginning this and Oil of Oregano for GERD, I've been in remission from all GERD symptoms. I take the Vitamin C in capsule form 3 times a day and in between those doses I drink an Emergen-C in water.

Every breath I took while laying on my left side I would have this "burp." I would occasionally get it after a meal during the day too or with a beer or two. But it was most annoying for me at night. I could not lay on my left side and get to sleep because every exhale would be one of these "burps." Totally nerve wracking. Anyway, it's been gone for a few weeks now and without Protonix or any real changes in diet other than cutting out sugar and starchy foods.

millymilly123
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   Posted 1/9/2013 4:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks dude1969 for the info on the products you have tried. Interesting that some of us can burp and some can't, from the other forum I just assumed it was trapped gas but if you can burp then that theory doesn't seem to work but we all have acid reflux so I'm thinking is it some kind of irritation from the acid up our throats? It's confusing and frustrating. I also find the problem so much worse on the left side, not sure why that would be? Lying on my back it seems to stop - I don't know why that is. I'm pleased for you that the problem has improved and I hope I will find some relief soon too, and wish that for the rest of you on this forum. It's good that it's all natural products as well that have helped you as I'm trying to look for natural remedies rather than meds from the doctor. Thanks.

theacidrefluxman
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   Posted 1/9/2013 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
To specify, I can burp, but after a burp I will never have the supragastric belching going on. Then I will for a while, and it might relieve itself with a burp way later on.

So burps relieve the pressure of supragastric belching for me. Completely confirmed for me that my 'supragastric belching' or whatever it is, is trapped gas.

millymilly123
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   Posted 1/9/2013 5:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok thanks :). I don't know why I can't burp. I would say I burp about 5 times a year at the most and it's always completely unexpected! I'm trying to train myself to do it to release some pressure. Urgghhhh it sucks :(

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   Posted 2/5/2013 7:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Anyone having any luck with a solution? This is ruining my life! The frequency of the noises is every few minutes. It's relentless. However when I lie on my back it stops and when I wake up in the morning I am fine. It gets worse as time goes on throughout the day and as I eat more. Need a solution asap!

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   Posted 2/6/2013 5:30 AM (GMT -6)   
 I've had them for years, burp attacks almost every night. What really helps for me is to completly exhale (though my nose) everytime before I swallow. That will help prevent you from swallowing air. So it's liquid in mouth, hold (don't swallow), exhale though nose, swallow. It takes practice, but after awhile nobody can tell your doing it.
 
Well, gotta get back to my ramon noddles in the basement before they get cold. lol
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