Animal proteins and reflux

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Teacherman
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   Posted 6/20/2013 5:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Just seeing if anyone out there experiences more reflux when eating protein from animals.

Pat Tall
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   Posted 6/20/2013 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Animal protein is acidic. Vegetables are alkalizing. If you are a big animal protein eater the body draws small amounts of calcium from the bones to alkalize and adjust the pH. They feel that (over many years) this develops osteoporosis. I personally feel much better with rare consumption of animal products, getting my protein mainly from legumes, quinoa, brown rice and loads and loads of all kinds of vegetables. I don't consume milk, eggs, rarely fish or chicken, no red meat. I feel this is worth a try for a month to see if it helps others. (I don't use mayo, salad dressings but I do use olive oil and nutritional yeast which boosts some B vitamins). Again, this works for me and believe it or not, it is very easy to do--not hard at all and not time consuming, just simple way of life.

Teacherman
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   Posted 6/20/2013 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I try so hard to eat like that but can't pull it off. I am learning how to cook at the same time.
What are some of your simple recipes. I am trying to eat more legumes and rice. But it's so plain.
I have some good books and just have to start doing more than fish, brown rice, asperigus and broccoli.
We like to eat out a lot but that's getting too expensive. I don't do the burger and fries ( for the most part) it's salmon.

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   Posted 6/21/2013 1:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Teacherman, I make wonderful use of my pressure cooker (it is not dangerous and saves tons of time). You can stir fry, steam, simmer and pressure cook in it. Example of a favorite--one pound of dried beans (rinsed), one bag of frozen chopped onions (cooked onions do not cause heartburn), six cups of water. Cook for an hour and let pressure go down on it own. You can cook brown rice under pressure in 10-15 minutes. When done, pile the beans on the rice and enjoy. Of course you can add other flavoring agents, even some liquid smoke, smoked salt, cilantro etc. I steam a bunch of broccoli in a basket in the cooker, or asparagus, or another favorite is cut up carrots and potatoes with olive oil and dried salad greens or parsley etc. My pressure cooker (i have two) is the best investment I've ever made. ( if you NEED to eat meat, throw in pieces of chicken like thigh, leg with cut up potatoes and whole carrots, cook 8-10 minutes (with maybe added celery, onions, skin removed) and that's a whole meal in a pot. Do not expect it to be crusty, salty or crunchy. That's too processed -- add sprinkling of salt to surface before you eat. Of course, make a huge salad with lots of veggies to go with it. Light on the dressing. Body will thank you for it. (Gee, I'm sorry for the lecture but at my very advanced age I feel that my eating plan is responsible for it.) Keep cooking very simple. Kind regards to y'all. Pat

Andy1986
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   Posted 6/21/2013 4:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I eat tonnes of meat, over 500g a day. Dont really notice the reflux getting any worse but im on ppi's
GERD, Anxiety, Depression, Rolling Hiatus Hernia, Esophageal Hypersensitivity

Teacherman
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   Posted Yesterday 8:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I will look into the pressure cooker today. I do have a rice cooker. Generally speaking since my diet change I do feel better ( not including reflux and the stress it brings). But my skin is clearer and puffy eyes. Thinking of going vegetarian. Very close to to making that final stand.
If I can get through this Barrett's thing my lifestyle changes will pay off. I want to get 5 more years before I do the LInx or another surgery. I told myself I will not (try) to worry about the ppi's. my reflux and Barrett's comes first.
My GI just told me that if I take my ppi's religiously and eat a good diet that my Barrett's has a less that 1 percent chance of returning and he thought is more likely zero chance. But he did specify I need to take the pps religiously and not eat pizza and hamburger type meals. That is tough. As good as I eat. I do have pizza once in a while. But I don't reflux on it?? Kinda like hamburgers too. That's what makes this disease so difficult. But I am on the right track and thank you for your help. Pressure cooker here I come.

Pat Tall
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   Posted Yesterday 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Teacherman. Again, my personal opinion,----if you are thinking of going vegetarian I don't feel you will get maximum help as that still includes milk, cheese, eggs. (And some people incorrectly include fish). Why not try vegan? (At least for a while). Just a thought for you. Legumes and grains at some times during a day are a complete protein. There are many many wonderful tasty dishes. It really is not hard to follow, producing health improvements. Commit to a month then decide. My doctor has no problems with my eating habits. Wish you well, kind regards. Pat

Teacherman
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   Posted Yesterday 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I would if I could. My diet is drastically different than it used to be. For the better. However, My goal is to go vegan. I said vegetarian because that is easier and that is a start. But I do feel better without the dairy but I love dairy, especially milk in my coffee. I used to drink a few pots a day...very black. Now it's one to 3 cups a day with milk as a way to get the acidity down. Also, milk in my whole grain cereals . I tried to get off it, but. ???????????
I have the book vegan til 6. I like that concept. And when I stay away from animal protein, cheese ect. All day I do have good days. The problem is all the stuff/ vegan foods have so many spices. But, I will go to the store and see what vegan and glutinous free foods there are that I can quickly make and eat.

Pat Tall
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   Posted Yesterday 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Teacherman. By the way, I make a dang good pizza on whole wheat. Have also eaten pizza out too. I tell them to hold the cheese , load up the green peppers, mushrooms, tomato (limited) , broccoli, artichoke heart, olives, ask what else they have and the fellows make it a challenge to be artistic. I also visit Subway and have veggie only. They call me the veggie person. (Sometimes I carry a zip bag with garbonza s to add to pizza or sandwich ). It's doable 😀. You would be surprised at the conversations this starts with the younger generation. I wish I could help you so much but be sure to have everything okayed by your doctor as we are all so different in our health battles

Pat Tall
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   Posted Yesterday 12:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Teacherman, you might find this article about bile reflux educating. I did as I kept a copy of it. Here tis:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/health/30brod.html?_r=1&

Hope all goes well with your upcoming test. Please keep us posted.

We buy brown rice wraps and make sandwiches and pizza on these as they ar gluten free

sunbeam48
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   Posted Yesterday 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Pat, I'm glad you found a diet that is right for you.

The Koufman diet seemed to help my LPR symptoms, low acid and low fat. Not a lot of meat.

The Fast Tract for Heartburn Diet enabled me to get off PPI's: high protein and fats, lower, digestible carbs.

I eat pretty much want I want now, though I stay with more digestible carbs, eat more meat than I used to before GERD entered my life over two years ago. 

I think this illustrates some of the variability for different individuals.

Pat Tall
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   Posted Yesterday 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
sunbeam48. You are soooo right about different eating plans. We tried both Kaufman and Fast Tract. We are individuals and searching for what's best for us . I've followed and learned from your postings,-- even read Dr Norm book and visited his web page. This forum has pointed me in many directions that increased my knowledge . Thanks to HW forum and the moderators and the members 👏
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