Apple Cider Vinegar Cure Question

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capthaddock
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   Posted 7/5/2013 8:40 AM (GMT -6)   
I have read several times about the use of diluted apple cider vinegar in treating GERD and LPR. The theory seems to be that the stomach is not producing enough acid, and the vinegar helps with that. If this is true, then the conventional treatment of suppressing stomach acid with antacids and PPIs is exactly the wrong thing to do.

Here is my question: If the problem is a lack of acid, then why not solve it with any other acid? Why vinegar, and why apple cider vinegar? Why not a cup of tomato sauce, or a glass of orange juice, or a Coke? If the goal is to put more acid in the stomach, wouldn't any of those do the trick, too?

stkitt
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   Posted 7/5/2013 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Great question as Diet Coke tastes much batter than vinegar.
 
I am going to move some posts into this thread that were accidentally posted elsewhere.
 
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   Posted 7/5/2013 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Posted today by Teacherman @ 12:04 PM
 
I tried this and did more damage. I had an endoscopy with no Barrett's. stopped ppi's and did apple cider vinaigrette. Situation got worse. Went to GI and did another endoscopy and had Barrett's.
apple cider vinaigrette obviously was the wrong choice for me. Big bummer.
 
Teacherman

stkitt
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   Posted 7/5/2013 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
This was supposed to be a reply to the apple cider post. Not a new thread. Sorry.
 
Teacherman

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   Posted 7/5/2013 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Posted today by capthaddock
 
I am sorry to hear that, Teacherman. Thank you for sharing your experience. Don't beat yourself up about it. Barrett's esophagus might have been the outcome regardless. I doubt a little bit of apple cider vinegar diluted in warm water can give you Barrett's all by itself.
 

mudmagnetmum
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   Posted 7/6/2013 7:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree with Kitt - I had no Barretts on my first scope yet there it was a couple of years later! And for most of the time in between the tests I was off treatment and symptom free!

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DontStealMyBacon
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   Posted 7/6/2013 11:47 AM (GMT -6)   
GERD can have many different causes for different people. If you get heartburn every so often when you eat spicy foods, then amount of acid is likely your problem since those items are spending more time in your stomach. If you have other major factors like a faulty LES or a hiatal hernia, or a gastric emptying problem. then amount of acid may or may not be your problem, but you obviously have other factors.

I'm not sure how much diet changes and natural remedies including apple cider vinegar help with amount of acid, but I have a hunch that any attempts to boost pH are not worth purchasing. The body is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis, meaning that if you are not able to retrain or prevent that, the problem will persist.

The reason that PPIs and H2 blockers get prescribed for GERD isn't because they are the perfect cure. They are simply the best medications available for us, because no other medications have not been invented yet.
Right Temporal Lobectomy 4/5/12

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phil-uk
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   Posted 7/6/2013 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I have had a similar experience to Teacherman.

I was on the PPI's for 6 months. GERD well controlled. I got alarmed reading anti-PPI info, and reduced my dose to zero, then spent a few months trying quack remedies like ACV. Also HCI.
I ended up in denial about my increasingly severe symptoms.
I eventually saw my GP and he suggested endoscopy.
The Barretts diagnosis was quite a shock.

PPI's are not a cure for GERD, but for many they can make life bearable until a more permanent fix for the ARB can be obtained.

Teacherman
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   Posted 7/6/2013 4:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm pretty sure I know what caused my Barrett's. I ate horrible food. (Pizza, hamburgers, and ice cream 24-7. 80 percent of all my calories were eaten right before bed. I wouldn't eat breakfast, just coffee. Super black and strong. Coffee all morning. Very small lunch with more coffee. At dinner I would start around 7 and finish eating around 9. Then straight to a horizontal postion. Did this since I was 18 or so. Got Barrett's at 45. Eat til I passed out in a food coma.
I am actually pretty symptom free today and have been so for about a few weeks. Take my meds and will. I don't sweat it anymore. In fact, I have started to believe that my acid was too high. The ppi's bring to normal. If I was normal the ppi's might take me below the ph level I need. ? And people have been taking these ppi's for over 20 years. I haven't seen any scary tv commercials asking folks on ppi's to call attorneys and join a claim against the maker. Now, with that said I do not plan on being on ppi's for longer than 5 more years. I will have the LInx or some other operation. I just need to allow more time for them to get data on the LInx. I get my impedance test back we'd but expect very low reflux episodes. I suffered badly for more than 6 months. And then 5 more months of healing. My diet has changed, I am healing and don't eat for the coma. but I still enjoy some of the good stuff out there. I just don't over eat til I go into a food coma then lie down. It took me a while to get passed the craving of a food coma. But it is that food coma mentality that got me here.

Thruppennies
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   Posted 7/8/2013 2:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi,

It's my understanding that ACV will only work for you if your problem is the volume of acid you are producing. If your acid levels are normal and your problem is primarily a weak oesophageal sphincter, then it wont work (nor will PPI's!).

The theory that reflux is caused by not enough acid in the stomach is half true... what happens is we eat foods these days that are hard work for our guts to digest, and we aren't producing enough acid to do this. In response our body produces more, to digest that food until its gone. The problem is, it then continues to produce at that level, even when our stomachs are empty, and that's when we have too much and get reflux. The idea with the vinegar is that it fools the stomach into thinking its produced enough acid to digest the food, and so acid production backs off a little. The acetic acid in the ACV is less potent than our HCl acid in our stomachs, so we process it much quicker and easier and it doesn't have chance to reflux.

Clever stuff!
That said, it never worked for me, as my problem was bile reflux, so all the vinegar and PPIs in the world couldn't fix it. Shame it took 'em 10 years to figure out, so now I have Barretts and have just had a Nissens!!

K x
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