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Healwell
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   Posted 11/5/2013 3:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I am having an endoscopy in a week or so-- a barium swallow revealed a slight hiatal hernia and Shatzki's Ring ---I don't have heartburn but I have developed discomfort in my throat that won't go away --

I am looking to hear from people who have tried alternatives to PPI's. I did D- limonene which did seem to calm the sense of difficulty swallowing quite a bit-- plus lifestyle changes. But as this lingers on (i had to weight two months to get into see a GI specialist!!) I realize that I will probably have to have my esophagus stretched.

I did research on GERD and found a good study from Brazil that compared the efficacy of Melatonin and a bunch of antioxidants, plus betaine (for disgestion) to Prilosec- and the Melatonin treatment relieved symptoms 100 percent compared to about 65 % with prilosec after 4 weeks. Then the folks who had been on prilosec (but they use the generic name) were given the vitamin protocol and they also all got better. The only side effect was sleepiness during the day.

In one study melantonin alone healed a long standing esophageal ulcer in a woman. Few people know that melatonin is plays a part in digestion and it seems to help the LES function better (The valve that keeps the acid in your stomach.)

I am looking for people who tried this protocol ---to see their results.
the other vitamins were tryptophan, betaine( to help with digestion) B6,
Several alternative docs who talked about it thought the melatonin alone might work.

StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/5/2013 3:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Prior to finding out that my hernia warranted surgical repair, I tried every suppliment under the sun to try to get my reflux under control. My primary complaint was a burning throat and not heartburn as well. I was basically refluxing all my food with non and weakly acidic stomach contents. Enough to burn up my larynx.

I did try melatonin, and it did nothing, I also tried baclofen, which studies have shown work to prevent relaxation of the LES. While the baclofen did make my muscles feel nice, it did nothing for my stomach.

I tried pretty much everything at the naturopath's store they could recommend for me. I spent hundreds of dollars.

I wish I would have waited until after my testing was done, because my hernia obviously was a physical issue that was not going to be cured ever by any medication or supplement.

I do know that many people have found melatonin to be very helpful though and I would not rule it out because it is pretty safe to try. It may give you crazy dreams though

Healwell
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   Posted 11/5/2013 6:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I've had some really great dreams, back in my childhood home, with both my deceased parents there. :-)

Thanks for your comments. was your hiatal hernia very large?

How has the surgery helped you?

javery
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   Posted 11/6/2013 1:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I just ordered melantonin and will be trying this method as soon as it comes in. I'm hoping that it will work as I was on PPI's for almost 8 years and learned about the side effects of not producing acid while on them. I've been off for almost 7 weeks now but have been having some troubles at night, even sleeping at an incline, so I'm hoping that this will help with that. Thanks for the information. I have done additional research and have found that melantonin is naturally made in the body. I'm wondering if some of us don't produce enough of it so supplementing it will help with the problem. So far I have gotten my acid reflux to only occur on an empty stomach and sometimes throughout the night.

StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/6/2013 2:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Healwell said...
I've had some really great dreams, back in my childhood home, with both my deceased parents there. :-)

Thanks for your comments. was your hiatal hernia very large?

How has the surgery helped you?


I started taking melatonin when I was very sick and very anxious and stressed out and I think my dreams were a reflection of my anxiety.

I had a very small hernia actually, but it was enough that my Demeester scores were bad and I was regurgitating and refluxing everything all day long, my LES valve was not working not one bit.
The surgery worked! Its incredible. It comes with its own set of challenges and long recovery, but it did its job and I am now reflux free. I am happy I did it and would do it again if needed.

Healwell
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   Posted 11/6/2013 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
that is good to hear. Congrats! My symptoms are not severe. I would say I reflux about once every two weeks, usually because I bend over too quickly after a meal -- usually something with a lot of liquid, like soup.

I was having some trouble getting food stuck deep in my throat, but I've always had that-- it just seemed to be getting a bit worse and I wonder if having a molar pulled and the the tooth in front of it broken and not fixed yet, has contributed to food not being probably chewed. Slowing down and remembering to sip a little water before it happens, fixes it.

I've just had this irritation on one side of my throat since the summer...it's mild, but it's annoying...and the ENT thought my larynx showed signs of possible reflux---I do have a slight HH and a Shatzki's ring, which some think is a response to acid reflux but it is not by any means definitive...so its confusing.

Healwell
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   Posted 11/6/2013 2:58 PM (GMT -6)   
HI Javery

Indeed, I read in the Brazilian study that those with GERD had something like half the daytime melatonin levels of "normal" people and they did normalize with the protocol. the gut produces melatonin --a lot of it and so it seems to play a role in the disgestion process. Perhaps not having enough is critical to healthy digestion. I haven't been able to sleep more than 6 hours a night for a long time (though I do sometimes nap in the early evening in my recliner) The melatonin seems to be helping with that--which is good for a lot of things, including weight loss and immunity.

You can look up studies at www.pubmed.com The brazilian study was done in 2006. You can also google melatonin and Gerd and find what alterntaive doctors are saying about it. I got the original study from Pubmed and it gives the dosages required. The melatonin was 6 mgs a day.

javery
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   Posted 11/7/2013 7:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Was at the store last night and seen some melatonin there so decided to pick it up. I got the 5mg one and took one last night before bed. I usually wake up every 2-3 hours but last night I didn't wake up at all until my alarm went off this morning. I'll see how the next few nights go before I decide if it is the melatonin or not that is helping me stay asleep. I'm hoping this will work for my LPR symptoms as it makes my throat feel dry throughout the day and I end up drinking a lot of water. One thing I really like about it over other supplements is that you take only 1 a day and it doesn't cost as much. One bottle can last a few months where other supplements tend to only give you a months supply.

Healwell
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   Posted 11/7/2013 9:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Javery
Surprisingly I have not slept that much more soundly on 6 mg of Melatonin. Someone told me the effect wears off over time---when used to treat insominia issues..so that it's better to take it for short periods and then rest it .. But in the case of GERD --you're treating your gut more than your sleep, and I'm very happy it's not making me feel sleepy during the day-- daytime sleepiniess was the one side effect of the protocol-- but that also included taking tryptophan, which I haven't taken yet. My throat is feeling somewhat better --however if strictures have developed (and I'm not sure if Shatzki's ring is considered a stricture...that it may take internal stretching to resolve the problem. I will be happy to have the endoscopy behind me. I understand they will stretch it right then and there, if they find it appropriate.

javery
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   Posted 11/7/2013 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Healwell,
So far today I have not noticed any heartburn which is nice. I usually start to feel it about 1 1/2 hours after breakfast and it has been 3 hours. I am still feeling tired though. I was a little tired this morning, but that was no different than any other morning, so I just figured it would wear off but it hasn't so far. As far as my sleep goes, as long as I get 8-9 hours of sleep, regardless of how many times I wake up through the night, I feel rested and ready to go all day. I'm wondering if taking it a little earlier, 1 1/2 hours before bedtime, it won't have as strong of an effect on my drowsiness the next day. I wouldn't mind if the sleepiness effect wears off as long as the effectiveness in preventing heartburn works.

I have also been reading other possible benefits to melatonin in that as the body ages, it produces less and when taking it as a supplement, it helps with reducing the many problems of aging. There's no hard evidence that any of this is true as no proper studies have been done, but it is used by people for these reasons as well as in some cancer treatments as it is believed that it is a antioxidant and reduces the chances of a lot of things from happening. Not sure what all to believe or not to believe. As melatonin is a hormone and not a natural herb, if it helps with my heartburn then I may stop taking it after a few weeks or so and see how I feel. I will just have to see how things go and decide what to do when the time comes I guess. I may just down the dosage amount if anything. If a lower dosage does the same thing for me as a higher dosage, then it may be worth it. And cheaper as well.

I hope your endoscopy goes good and you get good news. I'm all about trying to find a way to get my body to heal and work right naturally instead of having surgery, but in the end, sometimes natural remedies just don't work based on what the original cause of the problem is.

Healwell
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   Posted 11/7/2013 5:18 PM (GMT 0)   
absolutely. I do go to an alternative healing center for my primary doctor so I have someone who is at least familiar with these things and trying to work from the same premise. But she never mentioned melatonin-- it is not that well known as far as GERD goes, it seems. but there are a few other studies about it in the medical literature...the fact that it is not something a drug company can patent means there is not going to be a lot of effort to study it in some cases.

I reread about Shatzkie's ring and yes, it is considered a stricture--so, I' m guessing, that internal tightening or narrowing could possibly be causing pressure up near the back of my throat and stretching it may relieve that symptom. I'm hoping! I did also go to an energy healer, which did help with my anxiety about it all. Waiting weeks and weeks to get a test kind of sucks.
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