Suggestions for Post Nissen Gas/Bloating

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StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/22/2013 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
My major complaint after my Nissen is that everything is making me so uncomfortably gassy and bloated, my insides can feel sore for days after a bad episode.

I am staying away from carbonation completely, as well as raw veggies and most fruits and dairy since I know for a fact those items bother me.

I have tried gas-x and I am now walking after meals and before bed to help work some of this stuff out.

Is there anything else I can do/try? Is this dangerous to my stomach and wrap? It is pretty painful, but that doesn't always = dangerous especially when it comes to gas. The real painful part is that my stomach spasms trying to burp itself, and gets nowhere because my wrap stops it.

(and to think I thought at one time my wrap was loose HA! If it was looser I don't think i would have having such bad problems with the gas)

amo
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   Posted 11/22/2013 1:11 PM (GMT -6)   
That is what I did was the walking and taking gas-x, it is one of the worst parts at the beginning. I hope someone else can come up with something different for you.

Hang in there,
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StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/22/2013 1:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks. It was a lot better for a few weeks, now it got bad again.
I think I really need to restrict and log my food to get to the bottom of things, it is really hard to limit foods so severely.
Its almost like, I can burp, I was able to for a little bit there when the bloating was down, but once I reach that point of no return, there is too much pressure in my stomach, so its a bad cycle of too bloated to burp, no burping makes me more bloated....My stomach feels so sore today!

TonyG
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   Posted 11/22/2013 1:52 PM (GMT -6)   
There's light at the end of the tunnel! I'm finding that I'm less bloated these days. I still definitely can't burp, but I find that I'm not getting bloated as nearly as often as I used to. Part of the problem is that we have a habit of involuntarily gulping air when we eat as a consequence of the reflux. I found that exhaling through my nose before I swallowed helped that tremendously to the point where I automatically do it now without thinking about it. Don't get me wrong, I still get bloated on occasion. Usually when I've eaten on the go or am in a hurry (I really need to stop doing that!). I enjoy my regular diet now...including salads, fruit and mineral water. Even a beer here and there doesn't give me problems anymore. It gets better!

Be well,
-TonyG-
-TonyG-
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StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/22/2013 1:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the great advice TonyG! I am going to try that.

FlaCracker
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   Posted 11/22/2013 5:30 PM (GMT -6)   
StephanieJean,
 
You had the Nissen around the same time as me in August. I had a stomach bug 2 weeks ago. How are you handling nausea? Are you taking the meds? I noticed you mentioned no dairy. I just saw my PCP and I have a UTI. I am guessing because I am not drinking enough fluids. How are you handling your water consumption?
 
FC  

renegade_7
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   Posted 11/22/2013 7:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Tony G, how long ago did you get your wrap. A beer is what I would like to try in the future. It's been 9 months.

StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/22/2013 7:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey FC
I was following your posts on your stomach bug, not fun. How are you doing now? I bet your wrap is very irritated.

I had a few bouts of nausea, the last was around halloween after eating some dip at a party. My boyfriend and I both got really bad heartburn and gas and nausea. It was the closest I felt like I was coming to throwing up. Honestly, I took 8 mg of zofran sublingual and a xantac and fell asleep sitting upright on the couch. Thankfully that did the trick. I hate and love zofran because it works, yet it constipates me for days. So I try to save it for real emergencies. For occasional upset tummy I have a low dose of Phenergen which I think works really nicely and doesnt stop me up at all, but its not quite enough to combat the worst of my nausea.
UTIs are terrible. Back in 2010 I had a bad one, and then had to go on strong antibiotics to rid myself of it, but in the meantime the antibiotics killed off all my good bacteria and I had horrible systemic yeast infections which kept driving the UTI back over and over. I had one once a month for 6 months until I started taking lots of probiotics and eating Kefir and yogurt. I have not had a UTI since then.

As far as water, I think I am drinking too much during the day and it is contributing to my gassyness.
I have had no trouble staying hydrated though. I think if you can tolerate the taste, coconut water would be great for you. That was part of my success in the beginning. Coconut water and its great electrolytes as soon as I was cleared in the hospital for fluids orally.

I actually was reading about activated charcoal and how much that helps with gas and stomach issues like indigestion and nausea. Have you heard about that? 100 capsules at the natural foods store down the street was ten dollars and I thought I would try it. some people swear by it and I figured it was pretty safe so why not. I will definitely report on how that works for me as well. Gas x does nothing for me.
Stephanie
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TonyG
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   Posted 11/22/2013 7:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Renegade....I had my Nissen done in April. So just over 6 months ago. We don't all heal the same though, so even though I am at the point where I can have a beer doesn't mean you will. Baby steps...try a sip or two, maybe half and see how it affects you. Likely the kind of beer will also have an impact. Wheat beers will be more gassy than others.

Be well!
-TonyG-
Nissen Fundoplication April 30, 2013
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renegade_7
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   Posted 11/22/2013 10:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Tony. I do fine now and eat what I want. I even had a Jack and Coke earlier this month, but nursed it for almost an hour. No problems with that, but I will slowly ease into a half glass of beer in another month or two. I'm not a big drinker, but I do miss an occasional one from time to time. Tony, take care....

FlaCracker
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   Posted 11/23/2013 4:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi StephanieJean,

You are right about GasX. Does nothing for me too. Surgeon told me you have to take it with the meal to stop gas. My wrap was really irritated from that stomach bug. It is getting better. The weird thing about that episode, after it was over I stopped hiccuping, burping. A week prior to the ER visit everything was getting stuck including ice cream! Hiccuping almost all day and burping. I will say at the height of the sickness, I felt a drop in the stitches if that makes any sense. The beginning of the wrap was high in the middle of my sternum. Now it has dropped to the beginning of the rib cage. I am able to eat better but the incisions in the belly are sore again. I asked the surgeon's office about it and they said the stitch position means nothing. I am guessing it eventually happens to everyone as you have to be able to eat more than soup and mashed foods.

I can't have the barium swallow right now as it causes nausea. Just what I need and I have severe constipation from all of the meds. Swallowing radioactive material and not being able to discharge it from the body in a timely manner would not be good.

I had stopped the probiotics so I am glad you reminded me of them.

Oh by the way, did you have a hernia too?

FC

dencha
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   Posted 11/23/2013 10:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi StephanieJean,
Have you tried BEANO with veggies/gassy foods?  That helped me in the beginning. It's an enzyme that stops the gas from being formed.  I think I remember hearing you were trying enzymes to see if they help.
 
If you were better, and have gotten worse, I'd guess it is related to where you are in recovery and the foods you've introduced. You could back off to an earlier eating protocol and see if that is helpful.  In any case it'll take several weeks to see a definite improvement if there is one.
 
Be very careful with what and how you eat.  Slowly, small bites, and choose foods that you were able to eat earlier without a lot of bloating.  Remember you've still got a lot of healing to do, so be kind to your stomach.
 
Good luck!
Denise
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lajenner
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   Posted 11/24/2013 12:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Beano sounds interesting. I have a lot of gas passing after about 45 minutes of eating, even drinking a lot of water pushes it through. It's embarrassing, I cough, gas escapes - I bend over, put, put, put... :o I have not much bloating at all recently. My gasx has gone untouched for days.

Do you think beano would prevent this?
Laurie
Nissen Fundolplication Sept. 10, 2013

dencha
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   Posted 11/24/2013 12:59 PM (GMT -6)   
hi Laurie,

Your wrap isn't yet functioning the way it will when you're fully healed. The vast majority of people find their flatulence/bloating issues hugely improved once they've healed.

I can still get it occasionally, and definitely have more than I had pre-Nissen, but it's nothing that is frequent or severe enough to cause me problems. My husband, who was never wrapped is FAR WORSE than me!

I used the BEANO whenever I was about to eat something that was likely to produce gas...veggies, beans, etc. I took 3 chewable tabs JUST before taking my first bite. It's important to take them before the gas even gets started. Enzymes work best that way.

Give them a try...not much to lose. They worked for me.
Happy healing,
Denise

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"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”
Eckhart Tolle

Post Edited (dencha) : 11/24/2013 11:02:39 AM (GMT-7)


lajenner
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   Posted 11/24/2013 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks - it's now on my shopping list.
Laurie
Nissen Fundolplication Sept. 10, 2013

StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/25/2013 8:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks everyone. Things are getting a little better. I am really paying attention to my diet and taking my charcoal. I just got some enzymes (like beano) that I am going to start taking with meals.

these gas episodes come and go, once they come though, its like it is very difficult for my body to recover. The gas irritates my stomach and my wrap making things tighter, making more gas get trapped, making things get more irritated and tighter and so on.

I have a follow up appointment with my surgeon on December 3rd. I plan on bringing this up. I think a lot of my rib pain I was having is actually gas pain. Not sure what else they would really do for me. I will be diligent in managing this on my own and watching my foods. This time of year doesnt help. My post nasal drip makes me swallow a lot more than normal and I am sure that isnt helping
Stephanie
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Wilmariley
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   Posted 11/25/2013 11:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I am 5 1/2 weeks post wrap. My Dr. saw me 3 weeks post surgery and told me to eat and drink whatever I wanted. He also told me I could play golf if I wanted (which i don't) Said I would not injury my wrap, stitches etc. Said he is not conservative with the healing process as some other Dr.'s might be, which I have deduced from all the posts.

I can swallow just about everything now without getting that "stuck" feeling. I did try champagne, the only alcohol I ever drink, and while it when down fine it really was uncomfortable 45 mins.later. I too, find that after having the belly pains, my stomach is very tender for the next day or two. Also, I find that when I have those incidents, I lose my appetite and have to force my self to eat.
I know I have to be more patient and I think I could, if I knew that I would be able to enjoy my diet coke, pizza, champagne etc. in the future.
Sounds like everyone still has to watch their diets.
I will get some beano. Have never used it before. Does it stop the tender stomach feeling as well?
Thanks all for your input!

StephanieJean
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   Posted 11/26/2013 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I did not have beano at home, but I did have a nice blend of digestive enzymes which should cover everything I want to eat.
Today is day two of really restricting my diet, no dairy, no grains (except rice), no raw veggies, no beans, and I still have not had anything fizzy to drink, so that is omitted by default. no coffee, only herbal tea...

My stomach is much flatter, the pain is still there, but I think after a week and a half of bloated abuse that is kind of expected. Although my diet is really limited, I can still eat healthy foods, actually probably healthier foods. I am feeling a lot better and I am sure the lingering pain will go away soon.

I have also taken the charcoal since Friday and I really do think that it is helping along with dietary changes. I have also been walking twice a day for about 15-35 minutes each time. That is really helping too, but I think some pain is because I am moving around a lot more as well. its very mild pain, but lingering.

lajenner
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   Posted 11/26/2013 9:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm glad you are getting better Stephanie!

Wilmariley - my surgeon was extremely lenient with my recovery, but he warned against carbonation for 6 weeks. I had some beer at 7 weeks and became bloated after the 2nd. Gasx did help relieve it. I'm anxious to find out of beano before it would help - I'm afraid it might just be for food, though.
Laurie
Nissen Fundolplication Sept. 10, 2013

dencha
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   Posted 11/26/2013 7:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Wilmariley,
At five and a half weeks post op, you're still in the infancy of your recovery.  I takes six months for most of the healing and a year for the rest.  In fact, I continued to see improvements past the year mark...even past the two year mark!  So take heart...it will get better, but it takes patience and trust.
 
Yes, you will be able to eat your pizza, and drink Coke in moderation (maybe even more than moderation...I wouldn't try it, but you could try drinking lots).  The champagne could be a problem, though.  My son got engaged when I was three and a half years post op, and I had two glasses of champagne in celebration.  I have never had a lot of bloating issues, but I had painful bloating after the champagne.  I can drink a couple glasses of soda without a problem, though.
 
Even though you can eat anything, don't forget to eat more slowly and chew your food completely before swallowing it.  It will go a long way to protect your wrap, and help your stomach feel more comfortable.  When people have stomach issues after being given the green light for eating whatever they'd like, they very often start writing about discomfort and stomach complaints.
 
Your stomach has been through MAJOR surgery, even though you wouldn't know it with the little slits you have on the outside fully healed.  It takes time for your stomach to heal and your GI tract to adjust o the changes that were made.  Hang in there!  You'll be back to comfortable eating of all the foods you ate post-op. This recovery definitely takes patience. Bill, another moderator, reminds us that it's a marathon, not a sprint toward healing.  Patience!  It'll happen!
 
Happy healing,
Denise
 
 
 
 
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StephanieJean
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   Posted 12/2/2013 8:27 AM (GMT -6)   
It took some time, but I was able to really really improve my condition using the charcoal, digestive enzymes and seriously limiting coffee, bread and flour products, dairy and cheese, high fats and gassy veggies.

The diet part has not been fun, but I am motivated to continue to eat this way because of how much better I feel.

I have gotten the ability to burp back again too(tiny tiny burps). I think I was on to something when I said that the gas buildup just gets so high that it creates a cycle of not being able to get rid of the gas, so more gas builds up.

I have had small amounts of flour and dairy. I did have a roll on Thanksgiving and I paid for it. I think bread is one of the biggest triggers for me, but I knew that I had gluten and oat issues even before my surgery.

I am still having some gas issues, but they are much better and under control now.

FlaCracker
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   Posted 12/2/2013 4:58 PM (GMT -6)   
StephanieJean,
 
I am avoiding a lot of the stuff you listed. The gas buildup is now causing high blood pressure and headaches. Are you having headaches?
 
FC

StephanieJean
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   Posted 12/3/2013 8:03 AM (GMT -6)   
I get headaches all the time, this time of year. I am also prone to migraines. I have more sinus headache right now. I do not see a connection to my gassyness and headaches though.

FlaCracker
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   Posted 12/6/2013 5:16 PM (GMT -6)   
StephanieJean,

You had your surgery in August like me. How are you doing? Do you have tightness in the chest? Mine is from bloating. Still experiencing this issue. I don't burp but air comes out like I am blowing out a candle.

Michelle

StephanieJean
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   Posted 12/6/2013 5:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Michelle,
I would say that other than the bloating and gas pains I am really great. The bloating stuff is bad. The more bloated I am, the less air can escape as a burp. Even when I am able to release air as a burp it is just a tiny pop pop of air. I can feel the bloat even in my throat sometimes. By the end of the day my pants get tight too, which stinks. I am fairly thin so I end up looking like a pregnant lady. Luckily my coworkers and family all know about my post-nissen bloat problem and they dont ask questions :)
I never have any problems swallowing anything anymore though. which is nice. I just wish I could burp.
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