drowning in my own mucus. yuk sorry. and advice on how to slow this down?

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lobstahguy
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   Posted 11/23/2013 8:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you

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   Posted 11/23/2013 9:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Not sure what meds u may be taking but if u can take otc medicine buy an expectorant like Sudafed or thera flu. I use a more natural approach, I use garlic onion and honey mixed. let it sit 24 hrs in fridge then remove onion and garlic. all three items are good for releasing mucus. Hope this helps some

lobstahguy
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   Posted 11/24/2013 6:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Meka, ive tried all the natural approaches. Didnt work. Even drinking water causes a horrible mucus response. I am in ativan withdrawal and i dont know if this is making things worse or what, but i am losing my mind from all the swallowing i have to do. Plus it is really hurting my all the way down to eat now. Benadryl helps a little but maybe i will try the sudafed.

DontStealMyBacon
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   Posted 11/24/2013 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm not sure how severe your symptoms are, but I'll explain how excess mucous factors into my case. For me, I have what I would call constant postnasal drip, and between the presence of mucous in my throat and the scarring caused by GERD and LPR, I can't go more than a few seconds without my brain telling me, "you need to swallow or else you will choke." This feeling is awful, and it's the reason I started seeing doctors 5 years ago, but to me the swallowing itself isn't all that bad when I consider what I expect is causing it and what else is going on at the same time.

The pain I get from reflux involves a constant pain from the scarred tissue in my esophagus that is always there and occasional spikes from heartburn that come at random times throughout the day, usually with no cause or prevention. The most likely reason that I have constant postnasal drip is because of all the heartburn I get. My body doesn't know how to take care of the acid that travels up my esophagus, but it can drown out the acid by diluting it with mucous. Gastric acid causes a lot of pain to cells that are not as protected as stomach cells, and creating and adding excess mucous, which does not cause pain, can make the small amount of acid that escapes the stomach less significant. This is more of a theory than anything, but I have toyed with this long enough that I am fairly certain it is true. When I have more heartburn, I've noticed I always have a lot more mucous in my throat. It certainly doesn't take away all the pain, or else I wouldn't have any problems, but it is a lot better than concentrated hydrochloric acid burning my entire esophagus. As a result of this long process however, the reason that I was originally feeling like I was choking was not the scarred tissue needing attention, but the constant building up of mucous in my throat, that builds up if I don't swallow every 5 to 10 seconds.

So I have thought about trying to find over the counter medications to eliminate the excess mucous I have, or to even slow the production of mucous, but since that would make the pain and damage from heartburn worse, I decided that I prefer having excess mucous and the occasional feeling of choking to the thought of having my extreme heartburn magnified by not having any mucous. Heartburn is more damaging and progressive than frequent swallowing, and the only way I can fix my problem is to stop it at the source by having surgery, which I will be having in 23 days. If this isn't the same way you experience it, sorry for what may be a rant, but I thought I would at least share how excess mucous fits into my case.
Right Temporal Lobectomy 4/5/12

Diagnosed with GERD, Eosinophilic Esophagitis, and Epilepsy.
Studying biomedical engineering to research a better fix to at least one of them.

lobstahguy
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   Posted 11/24/2013 7:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Dontstealmybacon, thank you for the response. My big question is, does the swallowing end up causing you any pain in the esophagus? Im starting to hurt all the way down. Its not a burning pain, its a deep aching pain from swallowing. And i can hear my esophagus and stomach grumble and churn everytime i swallow and its getting worse. Like you, i swallow at least 2 or 3 times a minute and im afraid it is screwing something up. Plus its really driving me insane. Mine gets worse immediately after swallowing water or food so theres no time for reflux to be the main cause in my opinion. However, i do have a swollen larynx and i believe what you say is true, that the mucus is trying to heal this problem. What kind of surgery are you having? And does your stomach or esphagus hurt from swallowing so much? How do you keep from going nuts?

DontStealMyBacon
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   Posted 11/24/2013 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been hearing churning every couple minutes of swallowing the last couple months, which is somewhat concerning, but I haven't changed anything and I don't plan on changing anything with regards to that. I tend not to get pain directly from swallowing, but the pain is always lying there and building up until I swallow or cough or yawn, really anything that involves fast movement of air through my throat. Last year I saw a vocal cord specialist to see if my vocal cords could be the cause of my problems, and she concluded that my vocal cords were damaged by acid but not dysfunctional, but I got one valuable thing out of those few appointments. On top of the knowledge that acid is destroying everything in my body, including my teeth, I learned that taking deep breaths on a regular basis can help in some way to decrease my pain. I'm not sure exactly what mechanism this is involved with, but I do know that it makes the urge to cough or swallow take longer to come back and the pain a lot better for a few seconds.

Deep breaths should help you just as much if you are having the same symptoms, so try doing that as often as you would regularly cough or swallow, and make sure they're not shallow breaths. They are easy for me to do since I play trombone and have practiced breathing techniques for years now, but there's certainly nothing complicated about it other than doing it frequently.

I will be having a laparoscopic nissen fundoplication on December 17th, which I can't wait to get out of the way. I started seeing doctors 5 years ago about this constant cough in my throat, the same one that this thread is about, and every single doctor I've seen has blamed my problems on something else I don't have, or recommended me to another doctor, or discussed tests that I should have done for some reason, but none ever brought up surgery as an option at all or remotely attempted to give me treatment in 5 whole years of seeing doctors. I managed to see more than 50 specialists, and I'm still feeling the exact same as I did when I met the first doctor except now I'm on PPIs that give me awful heartburn and evidently I had eosinophilic esophagitis, but when that got cured I still felt the exact same. I finally got my newest GI to admit I needed surgery after I got all of the pre-op tests done and told her to look closely at the results and how severe my pain is, since I had 156 instances of acid reflux in 24 hours during my pH probe, and that wasn't even a bad day.

You talk about your pain getting worse after eating. My pain is so severe that it literally has no response to food of any kind, or even when or how much I eat. I get most of my heartburn for movement and other random causes that I can't track. If I bend over, I get acid in my throat and mouth. If I do any sort of exercise, acid gets thrown all over the place and will without a doubt end up in my mouth, no matter what food I have or haven't had prior to exercising. Climbing stairs is enough movement to get acid in my mouth, and it sucks to live on the 4th floor of a building that has an elevator that is constantly breaking (and is broken now). So as much as I would like to be active, all exercise is more pain than it's worth when it makes your throat get coated in acid. There's no way I can make most of these things better, so the only thing I can do to prevent myself from going crazy is to distract myself and try as hard as I can to not think about the pain that is always there and the swallowing that I do every 10 seconds. It's not easy, and I don't have any definite rules for how to do that, but I basically make myself as busy as humanly possible, and then make myself even busier. I am 19 years old and a sophomore in college studying biochemical engineering. Currently I am taking 6 classes, playing trombone, bass trombone, and tuba in 3 different bands, a member of my schools student dining committee so I can make changes to the food my school offers for allergic people like me, a board member in two clubs that I am trying to rebuild from nothing and running alone, and working in a research lab in cellular engineering, and my overall goal is to be able to research GERD and eosinophilic esophagitis and engineering a new treatment to them since I was never given a proper one short of surgery.
Right Temporal Lobectomy 4/5/12

Diagnosed with GERD, Eosinophilic Esophagitis, and Epilepsy.
Studying biomedical engineering to research a better fix to at least one of them.

lobstahguy
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   Posted 11/26/2013 6:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Dontstealmybacon, i sent you an email
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