Wha-? Alkaline water immediately gives me symptoms (and other rants/observations)

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Daxter
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   Posted 2/8/2014 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
So... I just noticed a few weird things over the last few days. The reason? My reflux symptoms have hit me very hard, and all my usual ways to reduce the symptoms simply aren't working. Even the meds like Gaviscon Advance do nothing. I've decided to be brave and try some foods to see what is really going on.

- A few days ago, I started getting symptoms of a common cold. I had some Manuka Honey and felt like my throat was set on fire only 10 seconds later.

- Because I was so wary of the burning throat, I spent a few days just sticking with my Kouffman reflux diet. EVERYTHING made me burn. Even a sip of ph 8.2 - 8.8 water or a single bite of a banana... On the first of these days, just a glass of water at lunch made me burn. Nothing else. Just water.

- This continued for a few days. I tried many things; the only relief I got was to fall asleep or to visit a local steam room of all things. Anyway, I felt so depressed after my latest bagel-and-burn I gave up and ate some angel cake. And suddenly MY SYMPTOMS IMMEDIATELY VANISHED. I was even able to burp with no consequence. No burning throat, no throat clearing, no tickly throat, and the burping diminished probably because I was able to release my gas.

- Chocolate, Angel Cake, Rich Tea Biscuits, Yoghurt, Chinese takeaways and Milk. I keep hearing from people how these things are bad for GERD/LPR, but I tried some (one at a time of course!) each evening for the next few days. Nothing happened at all. Other foods I've been safe with include certain breakfast cereals, flapjacks and a pizza.


So... anyone care to explain what could be the reasoning behind this? I don't want to think I just had a lucky few days, because I thought reflux didn't work like that. How on earth did acidic "problem" foods - and so many of them to boot - keep my burning throat away? On that note, is there something other than LPR that could cause a burning throat sensation? Maybe from me clearing my throat habitually or something?

Sorry if this post makes no sense. I'm just very confused, so any observations and insight would be very handy, thank you. :)



EDIT: One of the best example scenarios I can think of just popped into my head, and it's an important one..! I had just finished work for the day, having shrugged off a cold all day. I finished off my room-temp water and took a single bite out of a salmon bagel I had - a recommendation from Dr Kouffman no less. Only 2 seconds later, or almost immediately after swallowing, my throat burned like hellfire. 2 minutes later (I was still burning at the time) I collected one of my rapid spit test samples. It reported no reflux, even though the burning continued for another 10 minutes after.

Post Edited (Daxter) : 2/8/2014 2:33:41 PM (GMT-7)


lobstahguy
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   Posted 2/8/2014 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Daxter, i am seriously considering eating pizza and drinking beer just to see what happens. You are not the first person i have heard talk about this phenomenon. What meds are you on? I am certain that some meds cause a dry burning throat.

Daxter
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   Posted 2/8/2014 4:09 PM (GMT -6)   
lobstahguy said...
Daxter, i am seriously considering eating pizza and drinking beer just to see what happens. You are not the first person i have heard talk about this phenomenon. What meds are you on? I am certain that some meds cause a dry burning throat.


Right now, I'm on 7.5mg Mirtazapine, 2000IU Vitamin D3 (even though my D3 levels are high enough to supposedly stop LPR) and Gaviscon Advance, as well as a reflux diet by Dr Jamie Kouffman and various lifestyle changes. I previously had a much worse burning throat around the same time last year, even though I was also on Cimetidine/Lansoprazole twice a day.

Ever heard of hypersensitivity in the esophagus or something called Laryngeal Sensory Neuropathy (LSN)? I'm looking into those next, especially since stress is something I've learned to live with, having grown up with Aspergers Syndrome etc.

Post Edited (Daxter) : 2/8/2014 2:15:31 PM (GMT-7)


lobstahguy
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   Posted 2/8/2014 4:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, my doctors dont know if i have LPR or irritable larynx, but i suspect both. I took my first dose of amitriptyline last night. Not expecting much since ive tried every medication ever made and im just worse. The mirtazapene (remeron) put me in la-la land. How is it working for you?

Daxter
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   Posted 2/8/2014 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
lobstahguy said...
Yes, my doctors dont know if i have LPR or irritable larynx, but i suspect both. I took my first dose of amitriptyline last night. Not expecting much since ive tried every medication ever made and im just worse. The mirtazapene (remeron) put me in la-la land. How is it working for you?


Remeron seems to work well for me, but not well enough as I still get rather dark thoughts sometimes. Previously I tried Diazapam and Setraline but they both made me worse in all aspects. Something to keep in mind; Remeron has some mild anti-acid properties and for some reason lower doses are more sedating than higher ones..!

lobstahguy
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   Posted 2/8/2014 5:33 PM (GMT -6)   
They put me on ativan when this all started and it has been a nightmare. I had no idea what ativan was. When i took the remeron it felt like a bad acid trip. I couldnt handle the feeling. What are your current symptoms? Mine are getting worse by the day and i cant seem to find anything that helps.

Daxter
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   Posted 2/9/2014 3:36 PM (GMT -6)   
lobstahguy said...
They put me on ativan when this all started and it has been a nightmare. I had no idea what ativan was. When i took the remeron it felt like a bad acid trip. I couldnt handle the feeling. What are your current symptoms? Mine are getting worse by the day and i cant seem to find anything that helps.


Mine are mucus in the throat (Worse when belching), constant belching and occasional burny-throat. It sucks to not be able to belch without repercussions, but... Reducing the Mirtazapine gave me heartburn as a side effect, fair warning in advance..!

lobstahguy
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   Posted 2/9/2014 8:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Daxter, i wish i had answers for us. Im tired of taking pills with side effects. The amitriptyline makes me feel like i have wallpaper paste in my mouth. Not worth it

Daxter
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   Posted 2/10/2014 6:00 AM (GMT -6)   
lobstahguy said...
Daxter, i wish i had answers for us. Im tired of taking pills with side effects. The amitriptyline makes me feel like i have wallpaper paste in my mouth. Not worth it


Ooh, that doesn't sound pleasant. Feel free to message me if you need to vent your stress at all.

One good thing about Remeron is that you'll find you sleep better than usual. It makes you tired, but not "walking dead" tired. Handy for me, since it helped me get a night's sleep for my early work shifts without feeling like I wouldn't wake up for 48 more hours :p I've also got some other good news. Water is certainly the cause of my symptoms. I just ate another small bar of chocolate last night, and left the water aside. Nothing happened. No burning throat at all, even though I was burping away. It only began slightly when I drank a hot cup of water 3 hours later. Hope yet? I'll keep everyone posted.

jaren
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   Posted 2/11/2014 11:39 PM (GMT -6)   
daxter, a bit of off topic, but do you go to other message boards under the username orange lightning? i noticed some similarities of some of your earlier posts i was reading. If you arent, then disregard this, for i am just curious.

Daxter
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   Posted 2/12/2014 6:39 AM (GMT -6)   
jaren said...
daxter, a bit of off topic, but do you go to other message boards under the username orange lightning? i noticed some similarities of some of your earlier posts i was reading. If you arent, then disregard this, for i am just curious.


Er, yes that is me. I usually post on anxietu forums because I'm desperate for someone to say I can be cured. No drugs, no lifestyle mods, no surgery, just me and my old lifestyle back. :(

jaren
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   Posted 2/12/2014 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
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