Reflux, Nausea and Anti-biotics; Bacterial Overgrowth?

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danielb1
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   Posted 3/12/2014 3:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all. My first post. Learnt so much here already x

I've been suffering quite acute onset reflux symptoms for 6 months. my GP has suggested I take two strong anti-biotics to kill off any bacterial over-growth that might be going on. (He obviously suspects there might be some)
Has anyone with Gerd-type symptoms been experiencing Nausea and really bad wind! Just the most un-natural smell imaginable!! the sickness starts when I have an empty stomach and often is much relieved when I eat. happens every day and I generally have a griping, acidic feelng in my belly with or without reflux.
traditional Heartburn issues don't seem to be affectng me too much unless I eat badly (although my dietis still pretty high PH based and I'm on PPIs).
I've had normal Endoscopy and Barium study done a few months ago. luckily normal....but I'm confused!
As I mentioned I am unsure whether to take these antibiotics. I'm concerned they might just make things worse. I had two lots of anti-biotics in 2013 for dental work.
Does anybody have similar experiences/symptoms to share before I blitz my body with these wonderful, yet full-on drugs?
My thoughts are that i may take them and straight after go all guns on an anti-candida regime, whilst slowly reducing the ppi's??? Cover all bases!

Teacherman
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   Posted 3/12/2014 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, not sure, but I would try Ultimate Flora Critical Care probiotic. ( look it up on amazon. 4.5 starts out of 5 with almost 250 reviews.
It's made especially for IBS and stomach issues.
I take this WITH a product called Saccharomyces Boulardii with MOS. From Jarrow . This prebiotic attracts bad bacteria from the walls and pulls it off......so to say. Acts kinda like a magnet for bad bacteria.
For me, it has helped my bloating irritable stomach. I was recommended to take both of these products.
It has really saved me, but a good diet is still in order.
I also chew on fennel seeds after meals. Wonderful digestion aide. LOVE them!
You can look up the two probiotics and see all the good reviews on amazon and other sites. The type of probiotics works well on IBS and bacteria overgrowth.
I'd try something like these before mass antibiotics. Remember, antibiotics don't work well with ppi's. So, if you are on a ppi it may stop being as effective. So sys my GI who is a Stanford doc. If that means anything. But I do trust my doc. He however, did not tell me about the probiotics specifically. And I have tried a lot of them but none of them even come close to how well these work.
Hope it helps......

jamosca
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   Posted 3/12/2014 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Is your doctor saying you havr h pylori or candida because the first is a really vicious bacteria which causes ulcers and really should be eradicated if you are affected by it.

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rjdriver
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   Posted 3/12/2014 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Daniel,

Here's the catch 22 in all this.

Most bacteria can't live in a stomach with the proper Ph of 3-4.
People taking PPIs or other acid suppressing drugs have stomach Ph much higher than that.
Bacteria will then thrive in your stomach and the first part of your small intestine.
The bacteria have a feast working on the carbohydrates you eat, fermenting them like crazy.
That process causes gas, belching, that bloated feeling, and contributes to the wind out the other end.

As jamosca said, if you have h. pylori or candida, a course of antibiotics might be necessary. But as Teacherman mentioned, you should also be taking a pro biotic to replace the good bacteria that will be killed. PPIs so mess up your digestion, that I would also take a digestive enzyme like Digest Gold. That alone has reduced my gas.

It starts a vicious cycle when you try to reduce stomach acid, and the only way to get out of it, is to get off the acid suppressing drugs. Until that happens, the best thing you can do to make life less windy is alter your diet to remove as many carbohydrates as possible. No more sugar, high fructose corn syrup, only fruits with low fructose content (Google for a chart), eliminate almost all grain products. It's almost like going on a Paleo diet.

There's an interesting book that explains this called Fast Track Digestion, by Norman Robillard. He was a heartburn, GERD, and reflux sufferer, who figured out how to pretty much cure it with dietary changes. The first half of the book is the science behind his method. The second half is full of meal plans and recipes. It may not work as a cure for everyone, but it should definitely cut down on the gas issues. And for many of us in this boat, the gas is actually causing the reflux.

danielb1
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   Posted 3/12/2014 10:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Guys. Good Advice I think. After I finished writing this I decided that I would try the lowcarb/pro-biotic-with digestive enzyme route and start to reduce my ppi dose.
Fingers x'd.
I need a good book to guide me rjdriver!

Thanks Teacherman for the product recommendations.

I'll report back in a coupe of weeks for future reference.Its always so useful to see how these things resolve.

rjdriver
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   Posted 3/13/2014 3:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Just a quick note on the Digest Gold. I was taking one with each meal and it did nothing. Increased it to two and it made the difference. Digest Gold is not cheap, but since it appears I am going to have to keep taking these enzymes, I'm going to experiment with some other brands. Have compared a few already and the ingredient list in DG seems to the most comprehensive and with higher amounts of each. So this may end up back where it started. But if I find anything less expensive that works, will reply back here.

danielb1
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   Posted 4/4/2014 3:50 AM (GMT -6)   
just to update my progress.
I recently saĆ” my GI consultant who said that based on my Endoscopy and Barium swallow results, I do not have reflux, at least in the traditional sense ie. theres nothing wrong with my LES function.
This confirmed to me that its probably SIBO related. I started on the Fast Tract diet and it has so far worked really well, making me feel even more sure that this is he right direction. my tummy is still really sensitive, I have to stick to the letter of the diet and I am realising I have months of healing my small intestine.
I would saw briefly that if you have reflux accompanied by nausea, wind, strange bowel movements, griping sensations lower in your tummy, this should probably be your first stop. At least try a low carb/sugar diet for a few days to see if it improves.
My brother just had a Nissen so there was an immediate assumption that my reflux has the same origination. This doesnt look the case.
Will continue to le you know how I get on. The digestive system is a complex beast!!

danielb1
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   Posted 4/4/2014 3:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Oh, and I've quartered my PPI dose and am about to stop entirely. how could I forget that?!
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