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7Stringer
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   Posted 5/28/2014 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
(previously....)

Don't want to get so terrified that I will give myself ulcers.

Scared of possible strangulation of possible hiatal hernia

Tear during possible dilation as if its a stricture, it took many years to work its way into its stricture and a dilation would possibly tear from tissue not being used to it.

Not being able to breathe with tube covering breathing hole.

Heart palpitations while lying on left side.

Possible inexperience of a very young guy doing it. But does 30 a week. My condition is too wierd. And how do I trust a guy who told me to take zantac when its scientifically proven to cause cancer?

Post Edited (7Stringer) : 5/31/2014 11:45:35 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 5/28/2014 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I promise you that an endoscopy is an easy procedure, made even easier if you accept sedation.
You will be able to breathe normally, the size of the tube is very small compared to your "breathing hole" and it does not go down this part anyway, it goes down your oesophagus, and you will be able to breathe quite normally.
An endoscopy will not strangle your hernia, and I've never heard of a tear happening during an endoscopy.
I think you are getting yourself a bit worked up over a relatively simple procedure, please take the sedation, you will be given a rubber mouth piece to bite on which protects your teeth, and the tube will be inserted through this, I have had them with no sedation, and considering I have upper dysphagia I don't find them a problem at all.
You will find the nurses and doctors very compassionate if you tell them that you are particularly apprehensive about the procedure.

I'm sure you will be just fine,

Pink

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   Posted 5/28/2014 2:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with Pink.

I don't think your fears are unfounded, but I don't think you need to be quite as worried about them as you seem.

I've had two endoscopies and a manometry lately, and the endoscopy is fairly routine and uneventful. The sedation is not anesthetic so does not have nearly as many complications associated with it. It's an amnesiac, so you will not remember much of the procedure (although I still do have a few intermittent memories of each time).

Heart palpitations are not dangerous on their own. I have them as a result of autonomic dysfunction, and while it can be scary to feel like there's a fish flopping around where your heart should be, there's nothing "wrong" going on with your heart. This is very common for people to experience when they lay on their left side, as the position of the heart makes it more likely to happen.

Have you had endoscopies in the past that did not go well? On the plus side, even if you are nervous, if you are getting the sedative you won't really have a chance to get too worked up once they plug you in!

I hope it goes well, and remember that it will all be over fairly quickly! Maybe treat yourself to something like ice cream or frozen yogurt when you get back home? Give yourself something to look forward to.
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7Stringer
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   Posted 5/28/2014 3:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok thanks all.

To Brianaia, I meant more like the esophageal spasms that happen when lying on the left side sometimes depending onwhat was consumed if lying down too soon after. Now the inner consumption of an endoscope tube, I just had trouble imagining how my esophagus wwould behave.

Thanks

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   Posted 5/29/2014 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
How'd it go?
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7Stringer
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   Posted 5/29/2014 5:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all and thanks for the support. Got over the fear, showed up and did it.. ('better living with hypnosis" on the net by the way... i would have cancelled the test if not for catching that 1 dollar an mp3 sale... highly recommended).

The test and how was it? absolutely NOTHING like forums describe it. At least not up here in Brampton Ontario. I walked in and as soon as I saw how high tech the room was i felt this sense of comfort. As like an alien room. And whoever else has to get one of these... do not listen to what forum say... its better to stay off them altogether... there is absolutely NO such thing as being "asked to swallow a tube", there is no such thing as any discomfort or gagging, or even feeling a single thing for that matter other than the IV going in your hand, or the mouth piece on your mouth for a sec... As soon as the mouthpiece goes on you go to black and you then wake up in the recover bed sleeping. As if nothing even happened. At least in a place that knows what they are doing. Technically. All other endoscopy stories i have read are total BS. If you ever go to a clinic that asks you to actually swallow the tube then those people are clearly on crack and should not be in med.

The GI guy said there is nothing wrong with my stomach or esophagus and i have a tiny 5mm hiatal hernia that slides. (Thats right 5 millimeters.). No strictures no polyps, no ulcers, no gastritis, no nothing. Nothing at all.

So now I am left with no concrete answers as to sudden esophageal spasms other than possible hypotheses - the only one given by the doc was anxiety causing it. My guesses are either that, or some unknown physiological change that science cannot as of yet detect.... led on further by possible food allergies, poor rest habits... bad mentality... etc... but nothing is concrete empirically as to say "this or that is the anxiety molecule that changes tissue in this or that way to produce the symptoms... absolutely no real answers from science... just an insane display of technology. Nothing but flash and attempts at reassurance that my issue was just anxiety.

Post Edited (7Stringer) : 5/29/2014 4:33:49 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 5/30/2014 1:39 AM (GMT -6)   
7Stringer-

God to hear you did the test, All of mine except 1 have went very well.

Pink, Well now you can say you have heard of an esophageal tear during and EGD. Mine tore during on on 2/28/11. But I had a lot of dilations, about 13, in a 7 month time frame 2 years prior. It is VERY rear though.

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Brianala
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   Posted 5/30/2014 9:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Yay! I'm glad to hear it went well!
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7Stringer
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   Posted 5/30/2014 4:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, although is it possible that because my stomach was empty the hiatal hernia was only 5 mm, but maybe its actually 5 cm when the symptoms from food come. This is a scary thought because with these sliding HH's, they can hide from the scope. I'm not sure how to proceed. Maybe I am constricted to a certain diet for the rest of my life? Or should I see somebody else about this? Because the guy I saw my fam doc said is the best GI guy around.

Or am I just overreacting to the feeling of bloated fullness? Is it possible to feel that pressure in the chest without a full fledged hernia?
Thanks

7Stringer
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   Posted 5/30/2014 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
It happens mostly with dairy and other allergy foods.

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   Posted 5/31/2014 12:26 AM (GMT -6)   
My stomach simply does not like to digest much fat. Likes to stay at the top of the stomach and sometimes come back up... But ultrasound already checked my gallbladder and is clear. Anyone have any ideas they can help me out with?

7Stringer
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   Posted 5/31/2014 12:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Especially pig fat and dairy based fat...

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   Posted 5/31/2014 12:32 AM (GMT -6)   
I can only eat bland like sweet potatoe, chicken, fruits and veggies, and only olive and fish oil for fat. Most nuts, in moderation. Most grains. No dairy. What exactly happened to me? What is lacking? Enzymes don't really digest fat well as supplements either. And can barely digest fat even avocadoes I can only have a couple small strips.

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7Stringer
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   Posted 5/31/2014 12:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Clearly dairy and eggs are now out of the question for my allowed foods. I just had spasms again from them now... Allergies are in the danger zone. This is so clear now... i had an allergy test (advanced expensive one months ago), and i didnt take it seriously... danger items are cows milk and cow cheese... egg whites, quinoa and mushrooms (most likely after the stupid 'shroom' intake incident two years ago).

7Stringer
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   Posted 5/31/2014 2:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Also, I have lost 30 pounds. People think I have an illness and are surprised at the loss. Wish I can know how to gain weight.

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   Posted 5/31/2014 4:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Fat stimulates the stomach to produce more acid, and it also stays in the stomach for the longest, so usually makes GERD symptoms like chest pain worse. I find I have to stay away from raw veg too as my stomach doesn't like it. It might be worth you keeping a food and symptom diary to try and find what does and doesn't give you symptoms, usually everyone has different triggers.

7Stringer
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   Posted 6/1/2014 7:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok so chest pressure is possible without a hiatal hernia? Or is it for sure a sliding one, the full length of which evades testing when the stomach is empty for those tests?

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   Posted 6/1/2014 10:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I throw up bad fats, strawberries in shakes with peanut butter, dairy, etc....

But eggs are my highest allergy and I never throw up those and never have any chest pain from those. Strawberries are a minimal allergy, so the allergy test makes no sense.

Why did my GI doc office call me back the next day to refer me to my fam doc for anxiety? I have felt a sense of relief after the test showing nothing, and no anxiety these past few days. But I've still been throwing up if I mix and match various foods, especially if heavy.

Can someone please tell me what is wrong with me because doctors can't.

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   Posted 6/2/2014 11:00 AM (GMT -6)   
You're best off seeing a dietician who can plan out with you how to find out exactly whats wrong, if you're throwing up after eating certain things then it appears to be food related.

Don't let them palm you off with anxiety either.

A hiatus hernia doesn't cause chest pain itself, and even without it you can get acid refluxing into the esophagus which causes pain in the chest. Your GI should give you a pH or impedence test, that way they can see if your symptoms correlate with reflux episodes.

Post Edited (Andy1986) : 6/2/2014 10:04:31 AM (GMT-6)


7Stringer
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   Posted 6/2/2014 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
A PH test will not show why there is acid reflux or chest pain. It just measures how much acid or how frequently there is such reflux upwards to the chest. I want to know why I started having the problems. Was it anxiety? Or is it the acid affecting and enlarging the hiatal hernia and therefore making the chest throb at that area since pain at the hernia will obviously be more during relfux than not having one. But what caused all this? Poor sleep plus anxiety? Being depressed? (Then isn't it bile reflux? Because I rarely have acid reflux, its not burning per - se, it is just pressure... Reflux of contents). Was it from being single for a long time? I want to know how these factors change things down to the cellular level and by what means. Because I was perfectly healthy. This was not supposed to ever happen. Is the science of analyzing my stomach sample tissue and/or stomach juice or whatever they took going to provide real answers? And the main answers I need are the cause of those other sudden esophageal spasm episodes as if a person was sticking a knife right through my chest.

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   Posted 6/3/2014 3:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Sometimes Gerd starts for no apparent reason, perhaps the valve at the top of your stomach isnt working properly, or if you are stressed that is known to make gerd worse by relaxing the valve. You may never know why it started, and you may never know why it continues, personally all my tests have come back 'normal' yet i know i get heartburn frequently. You definitely wont know down to a cellular level whats going on, the important thing is to manage the symptoms, what has happened has happened, it is important to confirm whether it is gerd or something else though because chest pain is not something to be taken lightly.

I wouldnt be so fixated on a hiatus hernia, it isnt like an abdominak hernia which causes pain, it is usually symptomless. I have a hernia that has ranged from very large to non existent and the only difference it makes to my pain is the amount of reflux i get. Whether you have one or not, you need the same treatment for gerd which is acid suppression. My chest and even stomach throb when they are irritated, this is a normal reaction of the body getting more blood to an area to defend against the 'attack' from the acid. PPIs reduced the amount of throbbing i got.

I would also work on your stress levels and anxiety. If it is affecting your sleep then it is too high and will likely be making your gerd worse. I suffered with severe anxiety too and found relaxation exercises done a few times a day for 30 mins at a time to be very helpful. I was also put on an anti-anxiety medication which helped also.

7Stringer
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   Posted 6/4/2014 12:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Andy. You got good down to earth info.

I forgot to ask the guy to especially check the top left of my stomach (top left my perspective). As sometimes I feel this pinched sort of ache when I twist a certain way. First time.I felt that was years ago. Then went away. But during the last while with my issues its persistent usually.

And also, in the winter its like the top left of my stomach shivers. Its its a kinda disturbing and weird-feeling. As if almost in the heart but below. Right below those ribs left side.

Post Edited (7Stringer) : 6/3/2014 11:35:52 PM (GMT-6)

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