Alternatives to PPI's Part 3

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javery
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imlily
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   Posted 6/3/2014 12:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Everyone, Hayley sorry you are not well with this new upper respiratory problem. I think your immune system must be all out of wack. I hope you feel much better soon and can enjoy your vacation.
Javery, thanks for doing the PPI's part 3. I should hate to lose my contact with everyone. This board has been such a help for me during the last couple of months with this struggle.
Mouche, how are you doing?
I hope anyone else that reads these messages finds them helpful.
I am not receiving any notices anymore about the messages so I use an old one to get into this board. how about everyone else?

javery
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   Posted 6/3/2014 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't have it set up to send me any notifications for any new messages. I have this forum bookmarked and scan over any new entries on the posts that I am interested in or see if there are any new posts that I might want to look at.

Mouche
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   Posted 6/3/2014 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello everyone, wow part 3 already, too bad we can't be made a sticky topic that's on going. I pray everyone is doing well, Haley I hope you get to feeling better soon.

Sorry I haven't been on much but have been so busy with dr visits and it turned out my lumpectomy site is infected. :( I have been going every few days to have fluid drained and that sucks, I finally have my appointment at the cancer center on the 9th. I'm ready to get started and have this all behind me.

My GERD symptoms have been about the same, doing well on the 20mg dose and will continue that for another month and then will maybe try to reduce again. I'll be checking in on everyone from time to time.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

Hayleybw2
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   Posted 6/4/2014 6:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Lily, Mouche and Javery and everyone else. Thanks for starting part 3 Javery. I hope everyone is feeling well this morning. I had another rough night sleeping due to my upper respiratory infection (coughing and body aches) but am feeling a bit better today. We are off to enjoy another bike ride and the weather has been lovely. Today is a bit cool and we are expecting rain tomorrow but then another stretch of good weather so I cannot complain. Plus when it rains I get some outlet shopping in so it's all good :)

I think the digestive enzymes and probiotics are helping my reflux though knock wood as I haven't had much in the way of burning these last few days. Now I am looking forward to getting my voice back. Who knew not being able to speak would be such a challenge. Turns out I love talking lol and while my dh might have been happy for a break from my chatter he's getting tired of asking me what I said these last few days because he cannot hear me due to my laryngitis haha ;)

Btw, I think if you check the bottom box that says "notify me of reply postings by e-mail" that would work for receiving notifications. I am trying it now so we shall see.

Hayleybw2
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   Posted 6/4/2014 6:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Mouche, I forgot to say I hope you are doing better today and I am so sorry you are dealing with this infection at the lumpectomy site! What an inconvenience and I hope it resolves quickly and this will be all behind you very soon! (((Hugs))).

Andy1986
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   Posted 6/4/2014 8:17 AM (GMT -6)   
I am hoping to eventually get off the PPIs when my stomach settles down. I want to try and manage with just diet, Tums and Zantac when going through a rough patch.

Its a goal anyway, not convinced whether Ill be able to do it or not because my stomach gives me so many problems as well as gerd, even on PPI's I have to watch what I eat or my stomach flares up :(
GERD, Anxiety, Depression, Rolling Hiatus Hernia, Esophageal Hypersensitivity

javery
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   Posted 6/4/2014 9:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Andy,

I have noticed that before when I was on PPI's, I had to take 4 Tums and sometimes that didn't even help. Now that I'm just on H2-blockers 1 Tums is all I need. It's a HUGE difference. I'm not sure why there is such a big difference between the two scenarios but it is well worth being off the PPI's. I hope you get there.

Mouche
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   Posted 6/5/2014 8:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Hayley!!!

@Andy, it is a slow process, but well worth trying to be free of the ppi. You can do it!!! There wii be plenty of support on this thread and some great info too.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

imlily
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   Posted 6/5/2014 4:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Everyone. I am finally getting my life back a bit at a time. Since February going through all the misery it was rendered just about unlivable. I haven't had any nausea in a couple of week now, thank goodness. That is the absolute worst thing to deal with as it seemed to affect everything. I haven't lost any more weight either because I am eating a little more food and a little more varied diet. I am experiencing some heartburn though on the lower dose of PPI. I am hoping it will stop when I balance out.
Mouche I feel so sorry you are having such a bad time of it with the infection and can't get on with the treatment until that is taken care of. I hope it soon clears up so you can move forward. I am so glad your PPI reduction is going well.
Hayley, I hope you soon feel better and get your voice back. Other than the losing your voice it sounds like you have felt a bit better.
Javery are you still growing your seeds? Are you still juicing? I really enjoy the juice especially apple. I seem to put into my juicer whatever I have in the fridge but carrots seems to always been the base of whatever else I am going to put in. My husband is also very enthusiastic about it as well so that is a good thing.
Andy take it slowly if you are going to try and get off the PPI and welcome to the group.

Hayleybw2
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   Posted 6/5/2014 5:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Lily, I am so glad you are feeling better. Nausea is a horrible symptom to live with and thank goodness you finally have relief.

I saw an urgent care doctor today and I have thrush on my tongue and a probable viral upper respiratory infection. She gave me Nystatin rinse and swallow 4 times a day for a week or so and Z pack just in case the upper respiratory is bacterial. She didn't do a chest x ray because she said my lungs sound clear. This coughing is getting more constant and my chest hurts from coughing all day. None of the OTC cough meds are helping and I am not sleeping because of the coughing. I should have asked her for a prescription cough med but don't want to take codeine so not sure what other options there are. I just know I am miserable and it seems that's how this whole year has been. Get through one battle and then there's another to deal with...

Continue feeling well and I hope everyone else is doing well too!

javery
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   Posted 6/6/2014 5:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello everyone,

I think I've found something that is working for me as I haven't had any problems for awhile now and things seem to be working well enough. The sprouting has been going good. Just waiting for a little extra money in order to purchase some different seeds to try out. The juicing is still going good. I still eat pineapple a couple times each day and it doesn't give me any problems still. I'm now going through 4 pineapples a week though. I'm hoping that if I can keep this up for another couple more weeks then things will start improving more. The one thing I've noticed the most about how I'm doing things now is that I don't have any cravings for anything anymore. My wife made cookies the other day and I didn't care if I had any. She also had some pizza for lunch the other day and usually I'll have a piece but this time I didn't want any. I guess that means that my body is satisfied with what I'm giving it so it doesn't have cravings to want other things like it used to. I'm hoping it stays like this because it's when I start eating the bad stuff is when things start to move backwards again.

I hope you all get through the rough patches and continue to improve with the heartburn and getting off the PPI's.

Mouche
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   Posted 6/6/2014 6:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Wow Lily, no nausea for a couple of weeks, that's really good, I know that was a really big symptom for you. So glad you are doing better, did you get your test results from the biopsy?

@javery, I'm still struggling with my temptations but in moderation, I love my low calorie sweets.

@Hayley, it does seems like if it ain't one thing it's another, but this too shall pass! (Hugs)

Praying for TOTAL healing for us all!!!!
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

angelcat
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   Posted 6/6/2014 10:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi guys! Glad that most of you are doing great.
I'm currently taking loratadine for my allergies and it seems working on my cough. Everyday I feel an improvement, symptoms subside one by one. My only and stubborn problem is my back pain! It been almost 2 months! I remember I told you it's not that severe, but hell, it is so ANNOYING!
I'm taking vit d3, vit b complex, vit c and iron supplemetns but I also consider taking magnesium as I found out from Croftboy that magnesium deficiency is one main reason why some of us suffer from anxiety, depression, muscle spasm and twitching and other things! So I hope it will solve my case. My doctor thinks that my back pain comes from work (I am a graphic artist) and from carrying my niece very often. She thinks it's just muscles. I hope so.
And lastly, she thinks that GERD is not my main issue anymore.
It seems to be a never ending cycle of confusion BUT I'm still hopeful it will get better.
Hope everyone have a nice sleep.

Post Edited (angelcat) : 6/6/2014 10:53:50 PM (GMT-6)


Hayleybw2
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   Posted 6/9/2014 5:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi everyone, hope you all had a great weekend.
Quick question for Javery and anyone else who might know-what do you think of the NutriBullet Pro 900 series from Bed Bath and Beyond? It looks to be an easy to use juicer. Thoughts? Thanks!

javery
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   Posted 6/9/2014 7:22 AM (GMT -6)   
The NutriBullet is not really a juicer as a juicer is defined as separating the juice from the fiber of the fruit/vegetable. The NutriBullet can create juices, but in a different way as it includes the fiber from the fruits/vegetables. I think it really comes down to what your goals are primarily. Both methods have great benefits. With a juicer that removes the fiber, the nutrients are absorbed much faster which helps with the healing process because your body doesn't have to work so hard because there is little to no fiber to deal with. A downside to this is with fruits as it can cause insulin spikes from the higher amounts of sugars. Using something like the NutriBullet can benefit more when using fruits as the fiber will help slow down the digestion process to reduce the insulin spikes. Using the NutriBullet will also keep you fuller longer while still allowing you to get the nutrients.

I juice for the fast digestion of the nutrients. I don't know if I'll ever stop juicing or not. I first thought it'd be temporary and I wouldn't be juicing after a couple months. I tried to stop for a week and then did smoothies but it wasn't the same for me. It's now been 8 months since I started and I don't see myself stopping anytime soon.

I know it can be a hard decision to make to choose between a juicer and something like the NutriBullet. Maybe thinking about what other uses you can get out of it may help you decide. The Nutribullet can create juices with a little extra fiber along with smoothies. They have more uses than a juicer which seems to be able to do one thing, create juices. It seems to have good reviews so I think it would be something that would be good to use.

Hayleybw2
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   Posted 6/9/2014 9:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks so much for that detailed explanation Javery. Makes a lot of sense. Even though I am only 102 lbs (and 5'6") I have a borderline high HgA1C (5.8 reading as of 2 weeks ago during my annual physical exam) so I think the NutriBullet is the way to go for me based on your explanation. I don't want any insulin spikes that's for sure. Thanks again :)

javery
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   Posted 6/9/2014 11:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I have an update for my situation, some good and some bad. The good first. As far as my GERD goes, I think things are still improving as I haven't actually been feeling any heartburn for a few days now so I think things are stabilizing again. Seems like it takes awhile to get back on track once you take a wrong turn for a day or two.

Now for the bad. As you know, I've been eating more pineapple as that seemed to be working for me in terms of helping my GERD out. That's still the case but now I'm having other non-GERD related problems due to the pineapple. My teeth are now very sensitive. I've never had sensitive teeth in my life. They hurt when I eat or drink anything now no matter what the temperature. I still want the benefits of the pineapple, but they are just too acidic to keep eating so I'm going to incorporate it in my juices again.

Because of my new problems with my teeth I decided to do some research on how to heal teeth naturally, not expecting to find anything, and evidently, with the proper diet, you are able to restore your teeth naturally. I find this to be great news as I'm already pretty much on the diet I need to be on to make this happen. I just need to increase the amounts of sprouts I'm eating and have a little more variety. I also need to cut back on the pineapple a bit. So I've decided to alter my diet a bit by eating sprouts for breakfast and then increasing the amounts I eat throughout the day. I'm going to order another sprouter and stock up a bit on seeds and start to increase my production. I think the sprouts will really start to help all around with helping with problems I currently have an help prevent other ones from coming up.

My overall goal is to be able to get all my nutrition from food alone where I don't need to take any supplements in pill form. I think that is the best way to do it as supplements are also man made and are not the same as getting the nutrients from the source.

imlily
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   Posted 6/9/2014 1:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all, Hayley I also was not sure whether I wanted to get the nutria-bullet or a juicer. I looked for quite a long time at both and weighed up the pro's and cons' I also took into account what Javery told me when I asked and I also did some research on my own. I read on one website that juicing fruits and veggies is very beneficial to the digestive tract when it is not functioning at 100% as the juice can mend it from the inside out. I decided on a very nice juicer and I do both fruits and veggies sometimes at the same time in the same drink. I mix and match whatever I have. As you know I have suffered with nausea on and off for months which rendered my life to be miserable. Since I started juicing I have not had any nausea, still some discomfort in my stomach from time to time but not enough to make me miserable. This could be a coincidence but I know I feel better than I did a few week ago pre-juicer. If I want fiber in my drinks then I take some of the pulp and stir it into my glass. which ever you decide to buy I know you will reap the benefits in one way or another. I hope you are getting over you infection and feeling better.
Javery, my sister had the same sort of problem with her teeth after she ate lots of grapes. It must be the acid so as you say maybe juice the pineapple instead of eating it. You say you are going to eat the sprouts for your breakfast. Will you put them in something or on it. Aren't they kind of dry?

javery
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   Posted 6/9/2014 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Lily,
I'll just eat the sprouts raw and as is. I'm not much of a breakfast person but I'll eat them and drink my juice as well. I don't mind the taste of them without anything else. I do snack on them here and there without anything else with them. They are a little dry but not so much that they dry out your mouth like when eating crackers. It's more that the outsides are dry but not the insides. Sprouts actually do contain quite a bit of water in them considering their size, but it's not like eating a melon either. It's hard to explain. It also depends on the sprout too I think. The reason why I am eating them without anything else is because I think people eat them with something else because of the taste. I don't think it's any more beneficial to have them with something else. Another reason is because I want to limit the amount of things I need to prepare. I just want something that is simple, easy, and I can just grab and go. If you could store fresh juice and have it retain all it's nutrients, I would make that the night before. But it's best to drink right after you make so I continue to do that in the morning. I'm happy juicing is working out for you though.

imlily
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   Posted 6/9/2014 3:29 PM (GMT -6)   
I also wish I could juice and keep it for throughout the day. I wonder if it was frozen it would keep the nutrients in it.
I have always been a breakfast eater but some days after a couple of glasses of juice I really don't want anything. I prefer fruit juices to vegetable juices although I nearly always use a carrot and a stick of celery. Today I added a cucumber and the juice was very refreshing. My husband also has become a convert and my granddaughter begged me to 'juice' this morning. So all in all a very good investment. I am still fascinated with the sprout thing and might eventually try it myself. I will see my gastro doctor on Wednesday and I have a whole page of questions for him. I am interested to see what sort of answers he gives me.

javery
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   Posted 6/10/2014 1:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Tiredness, weakness, constipation, loss of appetite, weight loss, megaloblastic anemia, nerve problems, such as numbness and tingling in the hands and feet, problems with balance, depression, confusion, dementia, poor memory, and soreness of the mouth or tongue.

If any of those sound like symptoms you have, it may be a good idea to get your Vitamin B12 levels checked. This information was grabbed from here: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-QuickFacts/

Vitamin B12 is essential and is only naturally found in animal products. This also includes milks and cheeses, not just meats. Just though I'd mention this as these tend to be some symptoms many people on the forum have said they have. It also explains in the article that if you don't have enough stomach acid, then your body is not able to properly break down the proteins to separate the Vitamin B12 from the protein so when taking PPI's, you may not be getting the proper amounts either depending on how much stomach acid is being restricted.

javery
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   Posted 6/10/2014 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Thought I might mention that in place of the pineapple that I stopped eating, I have increased the amount of sprouts like I said, but I have also included raw carrots as well. They give me no problems and I figured it couldn't hurt to eat more of them.

javery
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   Posted 6/11/2014 12:20 PM (GMT -6)   
As I continue to do more and more research I keep finding things that prove a lot of other information I have read to be false. This is a little disappointing as the reason why I've been doing things a certain way is because of these false items.

One in particular is enzymes. There seem to be credible sources out there that are for and against enzymes, but not because enzymes are bad, but just the different beliefs on how enzymes taken in are used. Some believe that taking enzymes by eating raw foods or a supplement will help with breaking down foods. Others say that the enzymes do nothing and are just digested and have no impact. I would say that I tend to believe the people who say that enzymes are a bunch of hype at the moment as I remember countless number of times that people have said that taking enzymes didn't seem to do anything at all for them.

I have also found articles that state that eating both raw and cooked vegetables are important as some nutrients are better digested from raw vegetables as others are better digested from cooked vegetables. This doesn't mean that I'll be changing the way I'm doing things though, but it does change the reasoning behind it.

Now I'm focusing on nutrients such as vitamins and minerals instead of enzymes. I'm not sure really what to truly believe anymore since there seems to be credible sources that have scientific backings to their theories for many different things. I guess it's more of a personal trial and error type of thing. Try something long enough to see if it makes a difference or not.

Just something to think about I guess.

BTW: An update on my sprouts. My salad spinner will be in today and I have a new crop of sprouts ready for harvesting so I will get to see how much more useful it'll be to use that to dry the sprouts rather than laying them on paper towels. It'll also save me some money as well. My wife always tells me "This isn't isn't Harvest Moon where you need to 'harvest' any crops" every time I tell her it's time to harvest the sprouts. lol. It does seem a little like Farmville though where it takes a relatively short amount of time before I have my final product vs. actual farming that can take months. I am also getting a different mixture of seeds so I'll see how those taste. My next investment will be in another sprouter to be able to grow more at once as my consumption has gone up.

imlily
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   Posted 6/11/2014 12:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Javery, I have just read your message. I think there are no right and wrong things to do. I do believe there are so many variables with the digestive tract that nobody really knows. Even doctors can only generalize as they are not inside that particular persons body. Trial and error is the only way I think. What works for you might not work for someone else. It is just finding what really works for you.
I can give you what my doctor said this morning. I had a lot of questions for him. He sort of started his answers with 'it very well could be....' 'it just might well be'. 'There are no real answers for that'. Etc and so one. So I figured as most people that have been on this forum looking for answers that we are on our own and have to do what we can to help ourselves.
He did tell me to get off the PPi and switch to Pepsid. "All well and good' said I. I am going to still go slowly and wean myself off it then maybe switch to pepsid in the long run. He could not believe I had counted all the little particles in one omeprazole and divided that number by 4 then put 3/4's back into the pill. I guess I know more than he does about digestion at this point - lol
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