A guide to taking ACV and associated risks / warnings

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frantic
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   Posted 8/14/2014 4:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey guys, having wish I was a bit more well informed before trying ACV and now ending up worse than when I started, I wanted to share with you some knowledge I have learned the hard way to assist you in avoiding similar issues. I'm still recovering slowly and today was the first day in many with some improvement.

Edit: Now that I've had my gastroscopy results, I can confirm that ACV did not cause issues with my reflux (as I apparently don't have any!). However, it seems to have burned my throat instead which has caused me difficulty swallowing, painful speech and soreness.

Blood Types 'O" beware!

You likely already have a lot of acid due to your blood type so you may wish to skip ACV (I wish I knew this since I'm an 'O' blood type too).

What type of ACV to use?

You'll need to go to a health food store and find an ACV which contains the "mother". A popular choice is the Breggs brand (http://bragg.com/products/bragg-organic-apple-cider-vinegar.html).

The difference between organic and store bought ACV is obvious. The pasteurised variety is completely clear while the pure organic vinegar is cloudy and you can't see through it.

How to prepare your ACV drink?

Ensure that you dilute ACV as it may otherwise be harmful due to its acidity. Use a full glass of water and mix in the appropriate portion of ACV.

This is critical. 1 tbsp in a large glass of water was enough to severely damage my throat!

How much Apple Cider Vinegar to use?

I have read websites stating that you can start with 1 tsp diluted in water 3 times per day and yet others suggest starting with 1 tbsp and moving up to 3 tbsp multiple times per day.

If you're as silly as me, you may not realise that 1 tbsp is anywhere between 3 - 4 tsp, which is quite a difference.

I highly recommend starting very low. For example 1 tsp in a large glass of water before your largest meal of the day. You can then choose to take it before 2 - 3 meals also and increase the dose if you choose to. However, I recommend keeping the dose at the very minimum possible or it can do more harm (as in my case) than good.

Furthermore, the concentration should be no more than 1 tsp per full glass of water. If you wish to drink more, then please simply drink another glass of water with another tsp.

How to drink ACV?

This is something that I'm not sure of. Most say that you drink the glass before meals but no one mentions whether you should sip on it or drink the entire glass. I would drink the entire glass which may be a good idea to avoid continuous contact with your teeth.

If you can, it may be a good idea to drink it through a straw to avoid contact with your teeth due to the acidity of ACV.

After drinking ACV, you should do two things:

* Rinse your mouth thoroughly to ensure you don't damage your teeth (DON'T BRUSH, something else I did wrong, as the acidity will soften your enamel and could be damage your teeth)
* Drink another glass of water to ensure the acidity doesn't irritate your throat (as it did with me)

Warning signs that you're drinking too much or that your body doesn't like the ACV?

I wish someone had mentioned this to me so here are some of the warnings signs that signal that you've overdone it or your body doesn't need the vinegar:

* Dry throat and hoarseness
* Burning in the throat
* Stomach ache
* Regurgitation

Such signs may indicate that you've irritated your stomach or throat. Please consider lowering your dose or stopping the use of ACV if you have such symptoms.

Stopping your intake of ACV

(questionable information below based on my recent findings, it seems that my "rebound" was actually my severe throat burn coming to light after many days on ACV)

One aspect of ACV that I see mentioned nowhere is the rebound effect when you stop taking ACV cold turkey. Especially if you're on a higher dose as I was (2 tbsp per day).

You WILL likely experience a severe rebound if you stop cold turkey. Similar to the regular GERD symptoms, your throat area may get inflamed, major regurgitation and difficulty swallowing.

As such, I highly recommend slowly easing your way off ACV as you would a PPI and taking an antacid within a day of stopping ACV if you have such symptoms.

I found Gaviscon really helped ease my symptoms and it got so bad that I barely could breathe due to the congestion, so have an antacid on hand.

Should you take ACV?

It seems that most people have success with this, but I do recommend talking to your doctor before trying it out as it may indeed do more harm than good as was the case with me.

Related Warning Posts

Burned esophagus drinking APV: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=3147061

Found the cure for Omeprazole/PPI's: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=3144102

Injury to lining of Esophagus (from lemon juice): www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=2063518

Wishing you all well and feel free to contribute to this thread. If you have had a similar experience to me and got over it, please do let me know too as that would really ease my worries.

Post Edited (Frankie2) : 9/8/2014 11:39:56 PM (GMT-6)


dencha
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   Posted 8/15/2014 7:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Frankie,

I expect you've been following this thread, but for others out there searching ACV cures, be sure to read what happened to another member here who tried it.

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=3147061

Good luck, Frankie! Thanks for sharing the information!
Denise

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“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”
Eckhart Tolle

corgislover
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   Posted 8/15/2014 10:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for posting the thread about Apple Cider Vinegar Denise. I also had a reaction to apple cider vinegar. It made my throat very sore. It also turned my saliva to a white foam. Very strange. It was hard to swallow it. I panicked at first when it happened. I feel that something like ACV or lemon would help me digest food better but don't want to compromise the healing of my throat. I still haven't tried HCL because pills sometimes get stuck in my throat spilling their contents.

I've been on the Whole30 diet for over 4 months now and my throat is so much better. I used a combination of Whole30, Kaufman (Dropping Acid) and Robilliard (Fast Tract) diets with a little bit of Body Ecology thrown in. For those of you not familiar with the Whole30 diet here's where you can find information about it: www.whole30.com I think the coconut oil has helped quite a bit. I cook with it, put it on my vegies, and sometimes just take a spoonful and let it drizzle down my throat. It's made a difference.

frantic
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   Posted 8/15/2014 2:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks guys! corgislover are you on any PPIs?

corgislover
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   Posted 8/15/2014 3:41 PM (GMT -6)   
No. I tried 4 different PPIs and had side effects from all of them. I'm taking magnesium, vit D3, enzymes with all meals and evening primrose oil.

WellWoman
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   Posted 8/15/2014 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Corgislover, I'm taking a very unofficial poll of people who have had issues with ACV. Do you have "O" blood type?

corgislover
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   Posted 8/15/2014 9:13 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm pretty sure I'm type A but not positive. It's on my list of things to find out...

frantic
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   Posted 8/17/2014 1:34 AM (GMT -6)   
dencha said...
Hi Frankie,

I expect you've been following this thread, but for others out there searching ACV cures, be sure to read what happened to another member here who tried it.

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=3147061

Good luck, Frankie! Thanks for sharing the information!
Denise


Hey there Denise, would you kindly consider making this thread a sticky? You're welcome to contribute it as need be.

I just don't want anyone else to go through the hell I'm going through now. I'm on the verge of depression due to this mistake and haven't stopped blaming myself since it happened.

I start seeing doctors on Tuesday, wish me luck!!

Thanks heaps

dencha
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   Posted 8/17/2014 3:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Frankie,

I'll check with Bill, and get back to you. Which thread...yours, or the lemon juice one?

Good luck!
Denise

GERD/Heartburn Moderator
Nissen Fundoplication 2/09
Allergy/Asthma

"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists.”

“Worry pretends to be necessary but serves no useful purpose”

“Accept - then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”
Eckhart Tolle

opnwhl4
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   Posted 8/18/2014 8:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all-

I posted links to both threads in the resources at the top of the forum per member request and Denise and I's discussion. This is very good information and what makes this site so helpful.

Please keep the discussion on going as long as you deem it useful.

Take care,
Bill
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ninjakiller1
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   Posted 8/19/2014 4:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Frankie2

You do know that ACV that has to be mixed with the water. A cup of full water and two spoon of acv, thats how you must doit

WellWoman
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   Posted 8/19/2014 11:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi ninjakiller1,
I believe Frankie2 has already stated that he put the ACV in a glass of water. That is how I did it, except apple juice instead of water. I have never in my life had stomach issues before, but I sure do now after the ACV "cocktail". In some people, maybe those with already enough stomach acid (?), it causes acid burns of the esophagus and stomach. If you search the postings, you will see a number of people who have had this issue. It certainly isn't for everyone, and those who have the issue CANNOT get better by doing it again, as some have so ignorantly suggested.

opnwhl4
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   Posted 8/19/2014 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
This is one of the very reasons we highly recommend talking to your doctor before starting any new treatments for GERD/LPR.

While a lot of these treatments, whether medical or natural, may help some people. They don't always help everyone and can harm some people.

I do use ACV, but on my greens and fish! Love a mess of greens with acv! I love the stuff and have had it in my diet since I was a child. I have never seen any difference in my GERD with or without it. I believe this is because my body has being used to it for so long though.

So anyway, please be careful these things are never a 1 for all treatment.

Oh, just thought I'd mention I am O- also. I have always craved acidic foods over sweet foods.

Take care,
Bill
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ninjakiller1
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   Posted 8/19/2014 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, WellWoman.

Sorry for the mistake I made^.^ you right

WellWoman said...
Hi ninjakiller1,
I believe Frankie2 has already stated that he put the ACV in a glass of water. That is how I did it, except apple juice instead of water. I have never in my life had stomach issues before, but I sure do now after the ACV "cocktail". In some people, maybe those with already enough stomach acid (?), it causes acid burns of the esophagus and stomach. If you search the postings, you will see a number of people who have had this issue. It certainly isn't for everyone, and those who have the issue CANNOT get better by doing it again, as some have so ignorantly suggested.

WellWoman
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   Posted 8/20/2014 9:10 PM (GMT -6)   
opnwhl4, thanks for the info. I don't know where the type "O" thing came from, just what I heard from the herbalist/nutritionist(?) lady that I talked to. I've never heard of that before.

I've always used balsamic vinegar, apple cider vinegar, or whatever on my food (along with lots of chili's and sometimes waaayyy too much sugar). I love to go to Italian places and dip the bread in the olive oil and balsamic. This was freaky. I was drinking this cocktail for probably three weeks before it got me. I figure my stomach was empty enough that the acid hit me full-force. Oh, and btw, my doctor recommended the ACV for better digestion.

frantic
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   Posted 9/2/2014 10:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey there guys, just wanted to let you know that I've updated the opening post based on my gastroscopy results which actually imply that ACV burned my throat instead of my esophagus. I've also linked related threads in case you wish to make this a sticky.

Here's the post with my story: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=3156065

Cheers
Frankie

frantic
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   Posted 9/8/2014 11:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Just made another update to indicate the best way to protect your teeth when taking ACV. Just came from the dentist myself today and luckily, my teeth are fine even though I brushed after using ACV, but based on my research, rinsing is the better option :)

Wishing you all well!!

Cheers
Frankie

Post Edited (Frankie2) : 9/8/2014 11:40:47 PM (GMT-6)

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