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Croftboy
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   Posted 9/2/2014 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi folks I wonder if anyone has had a similar experience to me? I was stable on 10mg Omeprazole for 7 years with no problems at all. Then in April after a very stressful time I had a bad week on holiday with awful gastritis and oesophageal pain-acidy throat and bad taste in my mouth which persisted so I went and saw my GP when I came home who doubled my omeprazole-ok for a while then after 2-3 weeks another flare up-so she doubled again-I'm now on 40 mg and was again ok for a while- I seem to be ok for 3 weeks then have another gripey tummy that lasts about a day or so then settles down again. Just had another three week period when I think I'm fine only for it to come back with a gastritis type tummy ache and acidy throat- it is only 'bad' for a couple of hours then unsettled and fragile and 'prickly' for a couple of days. Its worse if I leave it too long in between eating. Had a flare up on Friday-seemed fine Saturday and Sunday and yesterday (although nasal drip/acidy sore throat at times).Today had a coffee and choc chip cookie on fairly empty stomach and that produced a gripey tummy again ( I know coffee isnt a good thing but did it without thinking). When I cam e home I ate some pasta and felt better a little while after eating.
It is really getting me down as I just cant seem to have a prolonged period of being well-I am going to ask my GP for an H Pylori test as haven't had one for 15 years and wonder if that might be causing me the problems as I cannot understand why it has suddenly changed although as I say it has been a very stressful time.
Any ideas anyone?? Anyone been there?

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   Posted 9/2/2014 11:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Sounds similar to my story. Took a 30 day dose of Omerprazole 20mg and felt fine the entire time. After Two weeks of being off of it ended up in the hospital with mild gastritis and 40mg Omerprazole did nothing for it. Now on Protonix and I think it is working along with carafate suspension. Seems like I will get a few good days along with bad ones.

Maybe Omerprazole is just not working for you anymore?

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   Posted 9/2/2014 12:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi there -yes maybe that is the case I had thought I would ask the GP about that -it seems odd though after all those years which is why i wondered about the H Pylori. I don't know Protonix and wonder if we get that in the UK? Ditto the suspension -I have seen lots of people on the forum talk about that. Thing is I am paranoid about having an endoscopy and know that at some point it will probably have to be done and am just hoping to avoid it but as time goes on I am running out of rationalisations!
Anyway hope things work out for you -I see you are new here-I have to say I find it really helps mne when I am on a downer like today -so many people on here are so much worse off than me-it helps to get things in perspective :)

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   Posted 9/2/2014 1:30 PM (GMT -6)   
The only way to find out what is going on is to start by having an endoscopy, how long has it been since you've had one done? This is when they found out that I had H Pylori bacteria and ulcers. Unfortunately, sometimes you need to try a few different medications/dosages to find out what works for you. Stress and diet are huge triggers for stomach problems, as I'm sure you know. Up until my Nissen surgery, I was taking Protonix. I know a lot of people swear by carafate suspension, but it did nothing for me.

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   Posted 9/2/2014 1:33 PM (GMT -6)   
ive never had one done (amazingly) but to be fair until this year it was totally managed by the omeprazole-i last had an H Pylori test about 15 years ago.

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   Posted 9/8/2014 10:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Croftboy, my suspicion is that your diet is contributing to flare ups, that's how it started with me, yoyo-ing between recovery and flare ups because I had no idea what I was eating affected my stomach (sounds stupid I know!)

You say its only bad for a couple of hours, thats because whatever is in your stomach is causing you the pain, in 2 hours its gone to the small intestine and you're left with the aftermath - tenderness.

I'd advise to get serious about finding dietary causes of flare ups now, before you end up a few years down the line depressed from the continual aggro (like me!)

Fats and fibre are the biggest triggers for me (beyond the obvious smoking, alcohol and spicy foods!), and probably most people. Try and limit those two and see if you see improvement. Keeping a food diary is a good idea to help you realise whats causing it. When your stomach is empty for a while try to keep sipping water, it will dilute any acid in the stomach.

Oh and stop eating chocolate cookies, they are so fatty! In fact stop chocolate altogether, its very fatty, has caffiene and has little else to 'absorb' the acid the stomach produces to digest it. I wish I'd given up chocolate years ago, dont end up like me :)
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Croftboy
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   Posted 9/8/2014 12:15 PM (GMT -6)   
THanks Andy for taking the time to reply-believe me I know what you mean about the depression -I have been/am very close to it since this started up again; I can really see how easy it would be to slip into a reactive clinical depression-particularly as no one really understands what it is like.
I have tried to keep a food diary and apart from coffee (but only when my tummy is already sensitive) and stress (and possible choccy on the same basis) I haven't been able to identify any triggers-I really wish I could -I would give them up in a heart beat although red wine would be a real wrench!! I did give up spirits 8 years ago when I had my second dose of oesphagitis and scared the crap out of me) though and used to love scotch (sigh) I agree it does sound like it is food triggered though given the pattern-I have had it last for several hours but only occasionally though. I obviously need to be more forensic; trouble is my wife then accuses me of 'dwelling on it'(!) At the moment I am waiting for the h-pylori test and am on ranitidine not omeprazole-day three-first two days I had to have 10mls of gaviscon post lunch as had indigestion/heartburn-Im guessing while body adjusts to the new regime-but today am fine(so far) -hooray! I am going to try Nexium once I have had the test.
I find that provided I don't leave too long between meals-max 4 hours-that helps so I keep snacking -if I do leave it too long then I have more chance of discomfort or pain. Does that tally with your experience ?? Re giving up chocolate; I think I could do so with no problem-my wife is the one who puts that temptation in front of me when we are watching tv-but I could easily do without . Interestingly , when we go to France (which we do, like the French, for about 6 weeks each year) I never eat chocolate at all!! THat could be because we eat a lot of cheese (I know!) so maybe it satisfies the body's longing for fat??
Anyway I would be interested in your thoughts-I will renounce chocolate on your advice and see if it impacts-funnily enough thinking about it I did have a very small amount last night and it did affect me making me a bit nauseous.
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   Posted 9/10/2014 6:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Croftboy said...
THanks Andy for taking the time to reply-believe me I know what you mean about the depression -I have been/am very close to it since this started up again; I can really see how easy it would be to slip into a reactive clinical depression-particularly as no one really understands what it is like.
I have tried to keep a food diary and apart from coffee (but only when my tummy is already sensitive) and stress (and possible choccy on the same basis) I haven't been able to identify any triggers-I really wish I could -I would give them up in a heart beat although red wine would be a real wrench!! I did give up spirits 8 years ago when I had my second dose of oesphagitis and scared the crap out of me) though and used to love scotch (sigh) I agree it does sound like it is food triggered though given the pattern-I have had it last for several hours but only occasionally though. I obviously need to be more forensic; trouble is my wife then accuses me of 'dwelling on it'(!) At the moment I am waiting for the h-pylori test and am on ranitidine not omeprazole-day three-first two days I had to have 10mls of gaviscon post lunch as had indigestion/heartburn-Im guessing while body adjusts to the new regime-but today am fine(so far) -hooray! I am going to try Nexium once I have had the test.
I find that provided I don't leave too long between meals-max 4 hours-that helps so I keep snacking -if I do leave it too long then I have more chance of discomfort or pain. Does that tally with your experience ?? Re giving up chocolate; I think I could do so with no problem-my wife is the one who puts that temptation in front of me when we are watching tv-but I could easily do without . Interestingly , when we go to France (which we do, like the French, for about 6 weeks each year) I never eat chocolate at all!! THat could be because we eat a lot of cheese (I know!) so maybe it satisfies the body's longing for fat??
Anyway I would be interested in your thoughts-I will renounce chocolate on your advice and see if it impacts-funnily enough thinking about it I did have a very small amount last night and it did affect me making me a bit nauseous.
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Yes is very similar to what I get, if I dont eat for a while I start to get stomach pain and have to keep drinking water if theres no suitable food available. When I do finally eat it relieves the pain for a while.

You should be ok if you just limit the fatty foods and fibre. The fibre thing took me a long time to figure out, but things like raw veg are just killer for my stomach but I never connected the dots because everyone 'knows' veg is 'good' for you.

Once I cut down the fibre I quickly saw improvement, I now boil the few veggies I do eat til really soft, and never eat more than 5g a fibre in one sitting.

You wont have to be off chocolate forever, last christmas is absolutely gorged on the stuff and only got some mild nausea in the morning as a result. Unfortunately I next gorged on chocolate ice-cream at Easter as well as eating salads and raw veg's every day. And that led to a full blown gastritis flare up :(

Once healed you'll be ok with most foods, just got to keep it in moderation :p

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Croftboy
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   Posted 9/12/2014 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Tanks Andy - very interesting - would
Never have thought veg would be a problem! Funnily enough lettuce isn't great for me. Ditto fibre- they usually recommend you increase that! Will keep my eye on those and see what happens- have had a week free of problems so hoping it continues ! Hope you continue to be well
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   Posted 9/12/2014 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I took omeprazole for a few months and didn't help my gastritis at all! This gastritis is no joke, it's taking forever to heal! I'm taking carafate, dgl licorice, slippery elm, pepzin gi, Zantac, drinking carrot juice, ginger and chamomile tea and eating bland and I still have flare ups! They said mine is mild gastritis too, I can only imagine what severe gastritis feels like! It's so frustrating sometimes

Croftboy
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   Posted 9/13/2014 3:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes absolutely - I often read of other's experiences and wonder how the they cope. Sounds like you are in that category too Andy. What makes it worse for me is the fact I had more than 7 years of being fine on the Omeprazole - but now it feels like I will never be totally free again. I spoke too soon yesterday as I went out for a meal and over ate and over the night drank too much red wine so suffered for it and haven't slept much. That is the trouble isn't it? You get lulled into a false sense of security- these days though I always look forward to social events etc with a sense of trepidation.
Sounds like you take a hell of a lot of thing to combat yours- it certainly doesn't sound like 'mild' gastritis to me(!) as you say I couldn't imagine what 'severe' would be like.
I hope things work out for you and it finally settles for good ( how long have you been suffering) - I am having the h pylori test next Monday and after that ( regardless of result) I am going to give Nexium a try which people on here seem to speak well of- have you tried that??

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   Posted 9/13/2014 1:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah I've thought a few times I was over it and had regular food and tried beers or wine and brought it right back again by the next day, then have to start over again. Doesn't take much to set it off again, I guess as long as it's not all healed then you have to keep on the strict diet or it'll flare right back up. I haven't tried nexium yet, if this carafate doesn't work then I'll prob give it a try. I've been better lately so maybe all these is helping but it's still not pain free, always a little burn or achy feeling that won't go away. Sure takes a lot of patience and time!

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   Posted 9/13/2014 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh yeah- mine started in march 2014, started as a slight burn and just kept getting worse and worse. Then got the scope done and it looked like a sunburn in my stomach, all red! I was getting super bad heartburn before it happened too and I was drinking a lot of alcohol so I prob brought it on myself over the years of abuse to it. I've lost 30 lbs since then too prob from no drinking and a mostly fat free low cal diet! That's the only good thing about this lol, I was overweight anyway. Not the funnest way to lose weight tho. Haha

Croftboy
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   Posted 9/13/2014 3:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes its a bloody depressing thing - I am suffering as we speak having foolishly had a little bit of wine and cheese about an hour ago before I had my dinner -stupid given I had an episode last night. Well I am paying the price now and couldn't eat my dinner and no chance of a few glasses of red tonight which is a drag. Like you I have drunk too much wine over the years-I gave up all spirits though about 8 years ago when it first happened though. Unlike you though I haven't had the courage to have a scope yet
I hope to God I can get stabilised again on the Nexium-the Ranitidine which I am on for two weeks before my test clearly doesn't work for long enough for me although I have felt better in myself the week I have been on it up until last night that is.
Anyway stay well -you have only had it for a relatively short time Jeff-I had it bad for a few years before having a lovely trouble free 7 year period which has been at an end since April when I have had a flare up it every two to three weeks; so just never get to really relax

Jeff99
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   Posted 9/13/2014 3:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah that sucks! I was drinking a lot of hard liquor b4 I got this, legal moonshine whiskey along with other whiskeys, vodka, Brandy, gin, wine, beer lol, almost everything! I would recommend you get dgl licorice and slippery elm bark powder, it does sooth the stomach during flare ups for me for a few hrs anyway. I take the chewable licorice tabs, a few b4 a meal and sometimes I pop 1 during the day if it's burning and it helps. Also, slippery elm bark powder, put about a tablespoon of it in a half glass of water and turns to a thick gruel. I mix with honey cause it's nasty by itself. It coats the stomach and lessens the pain as well. Both of those are cheap too. Hope you feel better soon.

Croftboy
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   Posted 9/13/2014 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks mate- yes I used to love scotch and what's worse was the fact that for several years after friends kept buying me bottles for birthday and Xmas! God it hurt ;) but i had two occasions ( Xmas) when I couldn't swallow and it frightened the crap out of me so knew I had to stop as that was always implicated. I will look out for those things - thanks for the tips
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Jeff99
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   Posted 9/13/2014 6:05 PM (GMT -6)   
It definitely sounds like you have gastritis like me, I get the prickly scratchy feeling in stomach too and when it's empty it's more of a knawing ache feeling. It's pretty uncomfortable to say the least! I drive a truck for a living and driving all day like this is sure irritating! I even get angry sometimes. I can't eat chocolate or cookies or drink coffee without it hurting worse, any seasoned food or spice will cause pain for sure, pepper especially is brutal on it. I eat a lot of white rice, baked potatoes, soft veg like squash, spinach, some beans. Pork messes me up too, beef is ok except for burger no good, fish and chicken are ok. Eggs not ok or any fried meats or fries. I drink apple juice, grape juice, coconut water and regular water and that's about it for cold drinks. I put a heating pad on the stomach that helps for a bit. I just want to feel normal again, it's ridiculous living like this!

Croftboy
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   Posted 9/14/2014 4:05 AM (GMT -6)   
It certainly is Jeff! Once my stomach/ gullet is sensitised like it is at the moment certain things are definitely out- coffee is an absolute no no- that caused a flare up more than once- chocolate a no no- that kicked this episode off. Pepper seems ok with me amazingly if in moderation. Beer is kinder than wine- off to a blues/ rock thing today so hoping I can get away with a couple of pints ( anxious though) cheese I'm not sure about but think it's going on the list! The worst for me is stress and worry - which of course is a vicious circle! Driving a truck must be hell like this mate- you have my sympathy. I find the key thing is to eat little and often - so in the truck something like plain (!) biscuits and water at frequent intervals would help. Andy who previously posted said he had to do the same- i.e not let the stomach get empty.
Keep positive - once you find the right medication you should be fine - I'm hoping the same for myself ;)
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   Posted 9/14/2014 10:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Jeff99 said...
I took omeprazole for a few months and didn't help my gastritis at all! This gastritis is no joke, it's taking forever to heal! I'm taking carafate, dgl licorice, slippery elm, pepzin gi, Zantac, drinking carrot juice, ginger and chamomile tea and eating bland and I still have flare ups! They said mine is mild gastritis too, I can only imagine what severe gastritis feels like! It's so frustrating sometimes


Yeh I thought the same, just before my first endoscopy I was doubled over in pain after being off the PPIs for a couple of weeks, got told I had 'mild gastritis' and I thought *** does severe feel like then!

I'm on all of the above same as you except carafate, I think that actually made my stomach worse, since I stopped it I haven't noticed much difference but the odd time I've tried it since I got burning in my stomach just after.

One new thing Ive been doing is chewing gum after meals, seems to help a bit, more enzymes to digest quicker and saliva is alkaline too. Oh and just bought a slow cooker and its amazing, make a big pot of stew and the food is so soft just melts in the mouth, very nice on the stomach.

My GI has just put me on 2 new anti-inflammatory drugs for Crohns disease as the only thing my tests have shown is inflammation in the intestines, and he thinks Im mistaking stomach pain for intestinal pain (I'm convinced Im not) but after two days and my stomach feeling worse I checked the leaflets and they both have stomach problems listed as a very common side effect! One even says dont take if you've had stomach ulcers or mental health problems, I have the latter, and although Ive never had a stomach ulcer its obviously affecting the stomach lining like NSAIDs do (except it is a steroid so I get the added bonus of my immune system being impaired!). I think my GI is a sadist.

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   Posted 9/14/2014 11:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Croft- yes you're exactly right, eating small amounts often feels the best on stomach. I think over eating is the worse you can do for this, I did thar a few times and really set it on fire! Beer sets mine off pretty bad too, actually making a weak vodka and non acidic juice drink doesn't affect it too much. Vodka causes the least acid out of alcoholic beverages I read but, I'm off of all of it until I get over this cause it's all bad on gastritis. Yes, when my stomach is flared up it's very uncomfortable driving the truck and the darn seat belt makes it worse! Lol- well hope you had fun at the blues-rock thing. I'm a music fan too, I like playing guitar, it takes my mind off the pain too haha!

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   Posted 9/14/2014 11:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Andy- about the carafate, I'm on the liquid form and I do notice sometimes it does seem like it hurts a little more after taking it, I don't know why it does that! It's supposed to coat the lining so it'd seem like it'd help but I'm not seeing anything good! Slippery elm powder mixed in a half glass of water (thick) seems to help the most, I had the stinging going on this morning and I took that and it calmed down a lot! So, do you get burning or achy feeling in too of stomach under ribs? That's where mine is, if you have it there then I don't see how you'd be mistaking it for intestine burning. I don't trust all doctors either, some are just no good! Well hope you feel better

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   Posted 9/14/2014 3:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeh it's right under the bottom of the ribs on both sides, near the surface. I also get pain right in the middle just to the left of where the ribs meet

Slippery elm is the one thing I've never tried, might give it a go
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   Posted 9/14/2014 8:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Yep that's where I get my burn feeling, on both sides too and sometimes get the achy knawing pain in the middle of stomach below chest! Sounds like gastritis to me, I don't know how your dr would say intestines. The intestines aren't even in that area. Yeah for the slippery elm, get the kind that says slippery elm bark powder. Works better than the pills, I have both and the tablets are ok and help a little but the powder does the job better.

Jeff99
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   Posted 9/14/2014 8:45 PM (GMT -6)   
You can buy it on amazon or eBay for about $12-15 for a 4 oz bag, it lasts me about a month or so. Good luck

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   Posted 9/15/2014 2:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi you two-interesting posts! Actually I think it is possible to mistake intestinal/ bowel pain for stomach pain- I have done that, Pain can be 'referred' pain- in other words be felt somewhere other than at the site at which it occurs- ( another example of this is people. (Inc me) getting pain in between the shoulders ) also the gas in the intestines can cause v similar feelings throughout the system and cause pain that feels like gastritis- wierd I know! On a positive note after rocky start yesterday enjoyed 3 pints of real ale at the blues fest ( woo hoo) - took biscuit bar things with me which I snacked on to keep stomach fed-and one last night- but now on 3 days alcohol free after a generally poor weekend of painful symptoms.
Jeff good to hear about the guitar - I am/ was a singer who was in a band for 13 years singing the blues-don't suppose my lifestyle helped the stomach!- reckon I could write some genuine suffering blues now😊 yeah
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