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hearty
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   Posted 5/19/2006 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I research this gerd stuff till I am blue in the face....latest idea is fungi...specifically yeast. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?  The idea is your bacteria in your body got out of whack...yeast overpopulated...gerd is a "symptom" of the yeast problem.  Fix yeast problem=no more gerd. Only it could take YEARS to clear up the yeast.
 

Lat
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   Posted 5/19/2006 7:36 PM (GMT -6)   
I have not heard of yeast as a cause. Why does it take years to clear up though.
I'm willing to try almost anything to not have to take medicine and feel better.
Hearty, will you post the site you found that on. I would like to read it.
Thanks, Laurie

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   Posted 5/20/2006 8:08 AM (GMT -6)   
yes I have been researching this for months and months now..yeast and bad bacteria can be the cause of gerd, functional dyspepsia and ibs. I have bought many books on this to try and read up as much as I can as well as researching it tons to try and figure out what is up with my stomach after all my tests were negative.
There are tests to prove you have an overgrowth of yeast and bacteria, but hardly any doctors will do them because they are taught in medical school otherwise. A good test is the "spit test". I'm pretty sure we arent allowed to post links after I tried earlier but all you have to do is search for it in google and you will find a ton on Candida.
The Candida diet, along with taking supplements and antimacrobials will help greatly. Stay away from sugar and alot of carbs..this is a given for most diets but its crucial if you have an outbreak of candida.
natural antimicrobials are garlic, oil of oregano, grapefruit seed, olive leaf extract. Aloe vera also helps heal if you have leaky gut, which is very common among people with gerd and most stomach issues.

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Jeannie143
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   Posted 5/20/2006 10:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,

Please be careful with what you take that isn't 'medicine'. I have done an intensive search on the web about candida and of the hundreds of hits I found only two that were actual 'medical' sites. The rest were nutritional, vitamin, chiropractic and quack sites all trying to sell something. Since yeast is a naturally occuring microorganisim in our bodies there is no way to 'rid' yourself of it.

Yeast overgrowth is a temporary problem that sometimes occurs after the normal flora of the intestinal tract has been changed from a long course of antibiotics. Yogurt will usually correct this within a few days. There is no way to 'starve' the yeasts since everything that isn't a fat or a protein in your food is a carb (including vegetables, fruits and milk.)

Gerd will respond to meds that slow down acid production in the stomach but if you want to try more natural ways to help yourself try eating more slowly, smaller portions, several times a day. I try to stay away from a lot of carbs that are white because I'm diabetic and have found that by increasing my vegetable, salad intake I've lowered my gerd. I can 'burp' from a salad, but I never seem to get reflux from veggies or fruit.

I also use diaphramic breathing to help my tummy at night. This is a type of abdominal breathing that fills the lower lobes of the lungs and induces lower blood pressure and relaxation. It also helps me fall asleep quicker.

You may find that an occasional over the counter acid reducer plus a higher fiber diet along with some relaxation exercises will help you a lot. I would try this before I started on all the 'web' cures. Just my 2ยข.
~ Jeannie

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hearty
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   Posted 5/20/2006 12:57 PM (GMT -6)   
So, Jeannie...are you not on a ppi like nexium. I have been on and off them for 2 years. Every time I get off, I have such terrible rebound I have to go back on.

hearty
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   Posted 5/20/2006 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Lat...this doctor I watch on t.v. You can access him through BioInnovations or Aloha Noni Juice on the web. His show that day was about yeast and he is the one who made the gerd connection.

bittersweet603
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   Posted 5/21/2006 8:44 AM (GMT -6)   
IMO, not to try and stir up anything at all, but I have found more successful testimonials and relief from talking to many many people through natural sources and controlling candida, then from conventional medicine. That isnt to say that medication doesnt work for some people, but most of this world is severly over medicated which in turn has messed up our bodies even more causing other issues.
Candida isnt just a temporary problem, if you really looked into it you would see the hundreds of books written on it by qualified medical doctors (I have a few of these now) and scientific evidence of it actually being an issue. Some good books are the Yeast Connection and The Yeast Syndrome both written by doctors.
It is because yeast in small amounts are naturally occuring in our intestines that doctors will not treat chronic candidas..but once your body has a chance to get out of balance with our horrible american diet yeast can grow and transform in to several different strains.
Again this is only my opinion on the matter, I have still yet to cure whatever is going on in my body as well..but I find homeopathy and natural cures more beneficial alot of time then taking hoards of medication.

hearty
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   Posted 5/21/2006 3:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Bitter, I agree with you totally..however, I CANNOT get off meds. The pain is too great as well as the symptoms (throwing up in the back of my throat the second I open my eyes in the morning, grainy feeling in my throat, sinus symtpoms, belching, etc...) Funny, heart burn is actually the easy part to get rid of.

I tried drinking vinegar for a month...but had to go back on nexium, I tried zantac for a month, but went back to nexium. The only part of my diet I consistently have to stay away from is pepsi type stuff. I could drink ketchup, barbecue sauce, chocolate, etc....with no problem.

It is so weird. I am on probiotics and fiber pills to try to fix my body. But I still take that 40 mg nexium every day. I go to the doc on Tuesday to try to figure this out and cannot decide whether the scope he is bound to offer will benefit me at all. He thinks probiotics, vitamins and such are a waste of time. I plan to try oil of oregano too it he approves it. Seems to me that once the yeast gets out of control...it fights hard against getting back down to reasonable levels.

I wonder if there is a medical test to prove you have a true yeast problem. I know if I wear pantyhose for several days in a row, I get a yeast infection. I used to wear them every day and never got one so that tells me my body is off kilter.

I will look up the books you recommended. Thanks.

Lat
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   Posted 5/21/2006 7:08 PM (GMT -6)   
hey hearty, thanks for your reply. I'm going to look into the yeast thing.

Have you tried any other PPI's? I had a scope on Thursday and the doc said that I just had a little redness where my esophagus and stomach meet. I was taking nexium 40 mg per day. He switched me to aciphex 20mg and I feel like a new person. I have very little pain, no burning, no chest pain, all of it is vertually gone.

hearty
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   Posted 5/21/2006 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Over the past 2 years I have tried every ppi. What did the doctor think about his findings? I mean, did he think the redness confirmed the fact that you have gerd? My other question for my doctor is why do all the ads and paperwork list nexium as a short term therapy 4-8 weeks? I mean, I have been on and off them for 2 years. The last time I was on nexium it was 5 months and I took myself off and tried zantac and am right back on the nexium. Is it safe to take this daily..forever?

Was the scope scary?

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   Posted 5/21/2006 9:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree that medications really aren't good for our bodies.  I have used slippery elm for my intestines. However, with the over use of antibiotics over many years, I can't see to get off the prevacid.  But I am using the slippery elm and pepperberry to try to get rid of the acid in my body.  But yes, you have to give up the white flour, white sugar white potatoes and stay away from fruits to try to get rid of the yeast.  I have eaten yogurt everyday for the last month and nothing has changed.  You may want to give the  slippery elm a try since it is healing to the intestines. 

back to square #1- off meds for now-Not been diagnosed as of yet.  Have a positive ANA. . Pain reliever. sublingual B-12 , Chronic sinus infections.  Asthma.
 
 


Lat
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   Posted 5/22/2006 3:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Hearty, my doctor took a biopsy to test for other things. I really don't remember
what he said I was so out of it after the test. I guess I spoke to soon about the Aciphex, I do have a little pain today. Probably from something I ate. My doctor did say it was safe to take the PPI's forever. I'm going to have to take something because all of mine is from Toprol that I take for my heart rate. I guess one thing leads to another. I was scared of the scope only because I was afraid of what they would find. The scope itself was a breeze. Do you have certain foods you have to stay away from? One of my big ones seems to be chocolate. I just can't seem to give it up. I also can't seem to find a diet that works.

hearty
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   Posted 5/22/2006 4:46 PM (GMT -6)   
So...you weren't scared of the procedure itself? I guess the way the give you that paper to sign explaining all the possible risks.....

I absolutely cannot drink a carbonated beverage...and I have to go easy on pasta but otherwise I really am not bothered by the food.

I know this all came about after a summer of lots and lots and lots of unnecesary meds thanks to a dumb doctor. My system got out of whack. I go to the specialist tomorrow and will probably schedule the scope. It will cost me $2500.00 out of pocket so I don't look forward to that!! My regular doctor (not the dumb one from 2 summers ago) is concerned because I can't seem to get a handle on the gerd and he does not think it should be that big of a deal. I know at least part of my problem is as soon as I feel better I quit the ppis. I go a month or two and then the symptoms come back 100%. I just hate the idea of always being on a drug. And nexium costs me $4.50 a day!! Gerd is really hurting my budget.

I would love to be normal...pop open a can of pop... pig out on pizza....just not feel this hideous chest pain...

I really see a connection between when I am a little constipated or gassy, my gerd is worse...but my specialist insists they are two separate things. Doesn't it make sense they could be connected? I heard that if you are constipated then the vapors go upward and cause gerd? Another quack???????????/ I wish I had the answers.

I just need some relief. Never sick a day in my life until 2 summers ago...and blindly trusted that doctor...finally got smart enough to get a second opinion....wow....did my eyes get opened. All I can say is be careful of doctors who love to write prescriptions to you. He actually told me that the way he diagnoses his patients is through medicines. If the medicine works, he figures that is their problem, if it doesn't, he scratches that off his list, and moves to another medicine...Never mind what it is doing to his unsuspecting patients bodies!!!!!!!!

My new doctor doesn't take medicine himself and tells me to research every prescription he writes me and make an educated decision as to whether I want to put it in my body.

I know what you mean about the aciphex....I have taken every ppi they make and they are ALL wonder drugs at first....I don't know what the trick is but I sure hope you feel better.

Oh...did your doctor say when you should have a follow-upn scope? Is it like a yearly thing to watch for changes?

Lat
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   Posted 5/23/2006 5:21 PM (GMT -6)   
No, he didn't say I needed a follow up scope. I guess all procedures come with risks.

I'm still waiting to hear the results of the biopsy. I guess no news is good news. I would just like to be pain free, but who wouldn't . The chest pain scares me even though the heart doc says I'm okay.
Sounds like you have alot of chest pain too.

I hope your doc can do something for you. I'm seriously thinking of trying some of the natural cures. Do you know if anyone has tried any and it worked? There sure are alot on the net that say they will help or your money back. I guess I'm a little skeptical.

Let me know how it goes with your doctor. Good Luck!

hearty
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   Posted 5/23/2006 6:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I saw the doctor today...he was very compassionate. He left it up to me whether to have the scope or not (due to the money) but felt like I should within a month or so...
He said the chest pain comes from the irritation of the esophagus. He said this is a chronic condition and you should never take yourself off the nexium (or whatever drug you are on),. I told him I figured that out on my own...the hard way.

I think people get temporary relief when they do the natural stuff or low carb or whatever...but it seems most of them have a relapse. I told the nurse about some of the natural stuff since I am so desperate and he says he does a lot of that kind of stuff too!!

Bottom line is no one knows!!!!!!

Hope you get the results from your biopsy soon.
Were you sedated and had your throat sprayed with that numbing spray? How long did the effects of both last? Like were you normal the next day?

Lat
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   Posted 5/23/2006 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Sounds like were just gonna have to take meds. My doc said that it was okay to keep taking them. I wouldn't have a problem so much if they worked.

As far as my scope, I went in, I didnt even have to change my clouths! They put the gown over them. The nurse explained the procedure and put in an IV. (I hate IV's). The doctor came in and talked to me for a few minutes, he asked where the pain was etc. They said to lay on my left side, and that is all I remember. I woke up 20 minutes later and was done. I was real groggy till I got something to eat. My scope was at 4 and you can only have jello and water the day of till 10 am. After I ate I was fine, no effects the next day.

hearty
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   Posted 5/23/2006 9:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Did you do it in a hospital or at the clinic? Were you allowed to go home right after the procedure? Thanks for being so understanding of all my question!!

Lat
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   Posted 5/24/2006 7:47 AM (GMT -6)   
I had to go to the hospital, that was the only way my insurance would pay for it. I went home right away, as soon as I woke up from the procedure.

Ask as may questions as you like, I'm happy to answer them. 
 
 

hearty
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   Posted 5/24/2006 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks...you know how it is...when you know you are going to have something done...it is all you can think about!!!

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   Posted 5/24/2006 10:05 PM (GMT -6)   
For those of you who would like to see the other side of the 'Yeast Connection' thing please visit this link Dubious "Yeast allergies". It outlines some very firm scientific info and also relates incidents of Doctors being fined and placed on probation for diagnosing "Candida albicans overgrowth syndrome" in New Jersey.

And yes, I do take some nexium for a few weeks until my gerd subsides. I have also changed my diet to lower my gerd symptoms. It's frustrating because it never totally goes away...
~ Jeannie

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   Posted 6/6/2006 8:46 AM (GMT -6)   
I am finally convinced that I was misdiagnosed. I had diarhea for about 1 full year, was on prednisone for most of that year. Whenever I would drop my Pred to 15 or less, my diarhea symptoms would get worse........sound familiar.

When I was originally diagnosed, my GI said that in the 30 years he was doing C-scopes, he had never seen anything like it. He said my colon looked like nothing but red sandpaper, throughout. Thus he labelled me with Pancolitis. I never had any bleeding "IN" my stool. Only sometimes "ON" my stool or on the TP. Thus it was always due to hemmoroids.

If you do a search on my posts, you will see that I have tried many holistic things to see what would help.

I finally listened to a few friends and saw an Irodologist. She said I had Candida, not UC. So I tried some DIFLUCAN and go on a Candida diet, sure enough, I was able to get off the Pred for the 1st time in 6 months after taking Diflucan for 1 week.
After researching Diflucan, I discovered that it just prevented Yeast from Multiplying, so I tried Nystatin and at the same time stopped my Asacol..........two weeks later, I have no symptoms, my Diarhea is long gone, I am on no UC drugs anymore, no Asacol, no Pred, even stopped the VSL #3 to ensure that I didn't get worse........feel great too.

So how did the Pred fit into this.......well Prednisone actually feeds yeast.....so if you are on 15 or 20+mg of Pred, the anti-inflammation starts to counteract the inflammation caused by the intestinal issues the yeast creates, once you drop down to past 15, the yeast is able to feed off the Pred and there isn't enough Pred to countact the yeast.

I would think that most if not all of you have UC, but if you had issues like me where everything didn't add up........try some Nystatin and see what happens.

Unfortunately, I found no interest in any GI doctor that I saw when I mentioned Candida, they through it out like it was some sort of witchcraft. I saw three different ones and they all blew me off. 1 year on Pred with all the damage that does to your body, 1 year on Asacol at $177 per month.....$600 or so invested in VSL#3 all my pain and frustration due to GI Doctor's without open minds.

Give it a try, make sure you weren't like me................by the way, I don't have any disease, I just had a bad diet, too much processed sugars and a bad balance in my GI tract. Just needed something to kill the yeast.
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hearty
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   Posted 6/6/2006 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
The summer I was sick I too took prednisone but only for a couple of weeks. I got so sick...on 5 meds at once that my doc took me off everything cold turkey...I could not even hold my head up!! Could 2 weeks worth of pred give you yeast overgrowth? How do you test for it...other than spit test?
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