What about natural medecine for Gerd? any ideas?

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nonstop1972
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   Posted 5/29/2006 7:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Greetings,
 
Has anyone had any success with a naturopath, vitamins, massage, acupuncture?
 
regards,
the belly acher

hearty
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   Posted 5/29/2006 9:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Having been through this since 2003....I have tried it all.
I will be glad to give you my 2 cents worth!!
My problems started when I was given too many meds and developed gerd.
I started on nexium and that went fine so I got off of them. Thinking I was ok and not thinking nexium was a full time therapy. Well...my pain came back gradually so I tried tums, etc... only to have to go back on ppis....my doc decided to switch me to a different kind and long story short...I have been on on ppis that are available. I stopped cold turkey last summer and drank apple cider vinegar and water for a month and felt great. I thought I had finally won....only to have the gerd come back full force (out of nowhere) so I went back on nexium for 5 months....started feeling pretty good...not 100% so took myself off nexium and decided to take otc zantac...lots and lots...like buying the 100 pill bottle....pain gradually came back to the point I called the doc and was told to go back on the nexium and make an appt with a gastroentologist...who fussed me out for going off the nexium and explained the damage I was doing and scheduled me for a scope!! I have been on nexium for a month now and am better. I did start on probiotics, fiber pills, noni juice and a really good multivitamin a few months ago....really seemed to make me feel better. It just does not seem like I can get off the drugs. This is a daily issue. One thing I have noticed...if I oversleep and miss breakfast...I will be in pain all day. It seems really important to put food in my stomach. This is affecting how I feel overall, know what I mean? I have had a slight increase in blood pressure since this gerd business started too. I have started walking (just 1/4 of a mile a day) since I have been so out of shape. I am a 39 year old female of normal weight (but I do have too much fat on my tummy,..not much but it is not flat). I can't understand why I can't get out from under this thing. I listen to a doctor on tv and he says gerd is a result of stomach constipation and intestinal dyspiosis (sp) and if you can get that under control...your symptoms will go away....that is why I take the fiber pills....also he says a vitamin b 12 deficiency can present as gerd which is why I take the vitamins...

I feel for you...this is no fun and it is a daily battle. I have trouble working full-time because of it. I feel like people who do not have it can't understand how life-altering it really is.

Have you had the scope or any tests? I often wonder if the ppis have actually made this problem stick around....like maybe if I had tried natural in the very beginning...maybe I would not have the daily chest pains, etc......

Wish you well...hope this long post is helpful...I have found this site to be incredibly helpful.

bekster
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   Posted 5/29/2006 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Hearty, your profile sounds very much like mine... except that I have only been on Protonix for 2.5 months. I am a 43 yr old female, not overweight, had a pretty decent diet, exercise etc. But I was undergoing tremendous stress from a horrible job that I've since quit. Not too soon after, the pain started, I went to the ER twice - morphine didn't even dull the pain. Like you, I was astounded to hear the preliminary diagnosis, as I had never experienced much reflux, only after thanksgiving and x-mas-type meals. The reflux started in earnest after my first doses of Tagamet. After two weeks of Prilosec, dramatic weight loss, no sleep and constant anxiety and palpitations, I was switched over to Protonix. This PPI did the trick, and after the required 2 months I have lowered the dosage to 20 mg with my doctor's approval. Like you too, I plan to eventually get off it completely if my body allows it, although my doctor would like me to be on it indefinitely.

You probably know that there's a percentage of us who do not experience the constant reflux symptoms and who only get the esophageal spasms, anxiety, pain, etc. I have read ("Tips for weaning your patients off PPIs" by Joel E. Richter, FACP, chair of the department of gastroenterology and hepatology at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation) there is a small percentage of people who will require PPIs for the rest of our lives, usually those with complications. I hope that's not you, or me! One thing I have learned is that for some people it will take longer to recover from tissue damage. One co-worker I have says it took her multiple tries over a year to become PPI free.

Like you, I initially suspected my reflux came from a whole body imbalance brought on by PPI/H2 blocker use. This theory has its advocates. Bob Cotton, a runner, ("Heartburn, Helicobacter, Antacids and Salt") treated his GERD by increasing his salt intake to combat HP growth encouraged by antiacid and PPI use, but this sounds downright scary to those of us with high blood pressure. However, after reading more medical literature, I now suspect the reflux only reared its ugly head as a result of the disease's natural progression, and that I am one of those people who don't have symptoms that show very much until they get a big hole in their gut. Because of this, I will now request an endoscopy to be sure my tissues have healed before getting off Protonix.

Something I resent is that none of this information came from my doctor. She did give me the okay to get off the PPI eventually, but the 10 minutes my HMO allows per visit do not enable anybody to have a normal conversation, much less to deliver any info. Like many readers, I know how to find and filter my own data. I am interested in reasonable treatments that are validated by research AND in alternative treatments pioneered by individuals, but ignored by the medical establishment. I run them all by my doctor. Sometimes I print articles and bring them to her during a visit. I don't care what she thinks, I like to see myself as the person in charge of my recovery.

So far this forum has been incredibly helpful and I want to thank the posters who share what they know. There are many smart folks here and between all of us we might figure out how to help each other. Sorry I got on a soapbox!

hearty
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   Posted 5/29/2006 3:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Nope...no soapbox...just lots of good info.

I plan to look into those books or articles you mentioned.

Have you ever had a scope? I have my first one scheduled...actually I have scheduled before but backed out. It will cost $2500.00 out of pocket unless the doctor lowers his fee, which he probably will since I am self-pay.

Yeah...I hate being on the drugs...just don't feel right about it. But every time I have gotten off, things got so bad, I had to hop back on them.

You say you have high blood pressure...since the gerd? Mine has always been under 120/80 but since this gerd and my husband's health problems...I go to the doc and it is 130/90 or 140/90.

I too went through a lot of stress....but I really feel like the overuse of meds caused my gerd. I go to a different doctor now!!

Thanks for your reply. Very encouraging knowing I am not the only one...although I sincerely wish neither of us had it!! Or anyone else!!

bekster
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   Posted 5/30/2006 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Hearty,
 
I haven't had an endoscopy yet. Not something I look forward to, but I realize the need to have it. My doctor hasn't ordered one, but I will get her to do it. I understand that for most people it is a painless, quick procedure. A friend of mine with anxiety had it and everything went fine for her.
 
$2500.? Wow, that's a lot of money. They should be rolling out the red carpet for that much money (kidding). I am not a doctor, but I think you should try to have the endoscopy to rule out other conditions. The article and web site are easy to find if you search with that info.
 
High blood pressure runs in my family. I had it before the GERD. Doctor's visits always spike my readings. Do you have a way to measure your blood pressure at home?

skooby
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   Posted 5/30/2006 3:23 PM (GMT -6)   

Hearty

What was the result of your scope. Your symptoms too sound like mine I am a 41 year old female. My problems started around June of 2003. I get so panicky whan I get the attacks thinking I am dying or something. The doc prescrbed Prlosec which has worked wonders. I try though only to take one pill every couple of days.

Marsha


hearty
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   Posted 5/30/2006 6:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't had the scope yet. It is scheduled however.

Funny how we are around the same age and have the same symptoms...I am searching for answers and looking for clues!!

I take 40 mg nexium every day. Works pretty good....seems like I need to keep my stomach full too.

I have been exercising lately.

Yep...I have a home bp monitor...bought it last week.
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