help as anyone had this before i smack my head on a wall

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bokbok
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   Posted 11/18/2007 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
hi as anyone had this as its driving me mad, i  have been on ppi,s for 18 months i originally had a sore throat on the morning every morning, so they i went to the ent and they said its acid burning my throat in the night so he put me 15ml a day for reflux which was fine for 5 months then the sore throats came back, so i went back to ent and they said the same put double up to 30ml twice a day plus take gaviscon 4 times, then i went for a endo and they said there is no ucler or hernia no inflammation, but i have small areas of barratts at the bottom of the z line. i been on nexium twice a day i dont heartburn, i just get this horrible bitter taste in my mouth all day seems to be after meals, not sure what it is ?? is it acid ??  its driving me nuts i am on 30 ppi,s again cause the nexium made feel sick and bloated all the time. i all my life i burp all the time, has anyone else had this ??? i do all the usual dont eat chocolate, dont eat 3hours before bed, no achohol, i carn,t stop thinking cause the taste only goes away when i eat then comes back after its really getting me down, i have to really bad eye infections which wont go away its starting to really get me down i suffer from axiety years ago so i,m starting to think like that again sad

HappilyWrapped
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   Posted 11/18/2007 1:42 PM (GMT -6)   
The pills are neutralizing acid, but don't seem to be working because you have the start of Barrett's. A gastroenterologist specializes in digestion issues, which is what you have - an ENT specializes in ear, nose and throat - which you have a problem with secondary to the digestion problem. Starting with the ENT made sense because you didn't know what was causing the sore throat. But now that you know, you should stop seeing an ENT for a problem that requires a specialist - a gastroenterologist. Especially now that you have been diagnosed with Barrett's, which can be a precursor to esophageal cancer - this is not meant to scare you, only to inform you. Many people can keep the Barrett's under control without it ever getting worse. However, if you want to get a handle on your problem, switch to a physician who is better capable of resolving your problems and specializes in reflux problems - a gastroenterologist.

As to the way you feel on Nexium - here's what I personally experienced. I felt the same way as you when taking Nexium a few years ago, so I didn't take it for long. When I moved to a new town, I changed gastroenterologists. The new doctor wanted to put me on Nexium, but I explained I couldn't take it because of the way it made me feel. He said that some people can't take Nexium because they have a bacterial overgrowth in their small intestines. He ordered a breath test to determine if I had an overgrowth of bacteria. For the test, you drink a special drink, then breath out into a specially designed bag every 15 minutes for 3 hours. Each bag of air is later tested - if there is an overgrowth of bacteria, the gas it produces will be exhaled and captured in the bag (because the bacteria cause gas, that's why you feel bloated). The tests showed I had loads of bacteria. A week's course of a particular antibiotic cleared it up. Afterwards, I could not only take Nexium without bloating and discomfort, I could also enjoy dairy products for the first time in years. I wasn't really lactose intollerant like I thought, I just had too much bad bacteria in my system and dairy bothered it.

Remember that when you take PPI's, you neutralize the acid in your stomach. The purpose of acid in your stomach is to kill bacteria and prevent it from entering your intestines. Those of us on PPI's for long durations have allowed bacteria to enter our intestines that should have been killed in the stomach in the first place.

You may not feel heartburn because the PPI's neutralize the acid, however, you are still refluxing (that mean stomach contents are washing up into your mouth). Hence the nasty taste in your mouth. PPI's don't prevent stomach contents from going up your esophagus, they just neutralize acid.

You aren't crazy, you've just chosen the wrong doctor to handle your problem. I truly believe that everything you have been describing can be addressed by a gastroenterologist and a plan of action that will provide relief will be easier to work out than if you continue with your ENT.

COPPERHEAD
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   Posted 11/18/2007 4:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been told that acid reflux could be caused by candida. When you read what it is, it may be similar to what you are experiencing. It is what I am experiencing. At the moment I am taking enzymes and probiotics but am thinking of a candida cure..which I will check tomorrow. I cannot take zantac, pepcid or prilosec. I have acid reflux with hiatal hernia.

TammyGrl0528
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   Posted 11/18/2007 7:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi there bokbok...you have already been given great advice here!!!!

Please, keep us updated as to how you are feeling!
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bokbok
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   Posted 11/19/2007 5:35 PM (GMT -6)   
HappilyWrapped said...
The pills are neutralizing acid, but don't seem to be working because you have the start of Barrett's. A gastroenterologist specializes in digestion issues, which is what you have - an ENT specializes in ear, nose and throat - which you have a problem with secondary to the digestion problem. Starting with the ENT made sense because you didn't know what was causing the sore throat. But now that you know, you should stop seeing an ENT for a problem that requires a specialist - a gastroenterologist. Especially now that you have been diagnosed with Barrett's, which can be a precursor to esophageal cancer - this is not meant to scare you, only to inform you. Many people can keep the Barrett's under control without it ever getting worse. However, if you want to get a handle on your problem, switch to a physician who is better capable of resolving your problems and specializes in reflux problems - a gastroenterologist.

As to the way you feel on Nexium - here's what I personally experienced. I felt the same way as you when taking Nexium a few years ago, so I didn't take it for long. When I moved to a new town, I changed gastroenterologists. The new doctor wanted to put me on Nexium, but I explained I couldn't take it because of the way it made me feel. He said that some people can't take Nexium because they have a bacterial overgrowth in their small intestines. He ordered a breath test to determine if I had an overgrowth of bacteria. For the test, you drink a special drink, then breath out into a specially designed bag every 15 minutes for 3 hours. Each bag of air is later tested - if there is an overgrowth of bacteria, the gas it produces will be exhaled and captured in the bag (because the bacteria cause gas, that's why you feel bloated). The tests showed I had loads of bacteria. A week's course of a particular antibiotic cleared it up. Afterwards, I could not only take Nexium without bloating and discomfort, I could also enjoy dairy products for the first time in years. I wasn't really lactose intollerant like I thought, I just had too much bad bacteria in my system and dairy bothered it.

Remember that when you take PPI's, you neutralize the acid in your stomach. The purpose of acid in your stomach is to kill bacteria and prevent it from entering your intestines. Those of us on PPI's for long durations have allowed bacteria to enter our intestines that should have been killed in the stomach in the first place.

You may not feel heartburn because the PPI's neutralize the acid, however, you are still refluxing (that mean stomach contents are washing up into your mouth). Hence the nasty taste in your mouth. PPI's don't prevent stomach contents from going up your esophagus, they just neutralize acid.

You aren't crazy, you've just chosen the wrong doctor to handle your problem. I truly believe that everything you have been describing can be addressed by a gastroenterologist and a plan of action that will provide relief will be easier to work out than if you continue with your ENT.
 
 hi there thanks for your replys happywrapped as i been reading your posts about your wrap, i have been refered to gastrologist they the endo no i,m on a waiting list to go back for him to explain the results of the endo which i already know about barretts and stuff. i gone private now cause i not the most most patient person in the world he thinks it s my valve not working that well, so i,m going fo that test then its the lapro op next on cards £3000 i told him  when can i have it ?? put i dont have a hernia  or ulcer there could not see anything wrong with my stomach with the endo put they said after the biopsys i have a small area of barretts so i want to get it sorted now, as i have barretts he said i,m a candidate. i the bacteria bug i had the tripe course treatment before the endo. but the past 4 weeks, i get this bitter taste all the time after eating not so much in the morning. i always usually burned a lot all the time thats what worries me about the getting the op he thinks a partial wrap would be a option . i stop the nexium and started on lansprozole again as i was always ok on them its taste in mouth thats driving me mad and cause i worry more acid... more barratts . thank you

HappilyWrapped
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   Posted 11/19/2007 7:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Good luck with the valve test. Glad you're going to see a gastroenterologist. The partial wrap may be a good option for you, I think I remember someone on the post nissen/hiatal hernia repair board posting that they had a partial 270 wrap. Maybe you can ask them about their procedure to find out how much relief their partial wrap provided.

I remember that awful taste in my mouth and am so glad to be rid of it after surgery.

Take care.

bokbok
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   Posted 11/20/2007 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks for that that taste only started 3 weeks ago and its not nice . i think i,d rather have the heart burn that the taste . cheers i,ll let you know where i,m heading eyes
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