Empty Nose Syndrome?

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   Posted 2/28/2008 1:05 AM (GMT -6)   
ve been having sinus problems for months now i finally got results of my cat scan and i dont know exactly what was said by heart..but i have a deviated septum,enlarged turbinates,puse is my left maxillary sinus,and i think she said an air pocket also..so im suppose to get surgery done in april..the 3 circled on a standard print out are septoplasty,endoscopic sinus,and turbinectomy..i have no problem with any of these except what i read about the turbinectomy when it comes to empty nose syndrome..first off in a turbinectomy is always the whole thing removed or can a turbinectomy also mean some removed so i would have to find out from my dr exactly how much is getting removed?..whats the chances of getting this empty nose syndrome problem..i think im going to go back to the ent and talk to them about it but i wanna get other opinions also here

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   Posted 2/28/2008 10:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Welcome to HealingWell.  I had never heard of the "Empty Nose Syndrome" so I looked it up.  Here is a little bit of information I found.  I would definitely go back and sit down and talk with your ENT and make sure your understand what they plan to do and maybe even get a second opinion before having surgery.  I can definitely see how this could be a serious problem for you.
 The "Empty Nose Syndrome" is a term coined by Eugene Kern, MD, at the Mayo Clinic.  It refers to the fact that a patient's CT scan looks empty, or devoid of normal tissue, following  nasal surgery, specifically turbinate excision.  The CT scan below depicts a typical view of a patient experiencing the symptoms of empty nose syndrome.
     As you may have seen on other pages within this web site, the nose has various normal projections into it called turbinates: inferior, middle, and superior (and sometimes even a supreme turbinate).  These projections are important for a number of reasons:

1) The turbinates provide surface area to allow particulate matter to strike them, entrapping the material in mucus, that is then swept into the pharynx to be harmlessly swallowed.  This prevents the material from being inhaled and overtaxing the lung mucociliary clearance.
2) The turbinates work to moisten and warm the air we breathe so that by the time it reaches the lungs it is near 100% humidity and close to body temperature.
3) The middle turbinate hoods over most of the sinuses, and blocks the particulate matter from entering and setting up an infection, etc.
4) The upper turbinates may harbor cells of the olfactory system.
5) The turbinates provide surface area/ airway resistance to inform the brain that air is traversing the nose in a sufficient volume to sustain life.  This is a poorly understood concept, and an area of my research interest.  Without sufficient mucosa to sense the air, the person feels as though they are choking, despite fully adequate air intake.
6) As some physicians have postulated, inferior tubinate vasular engorgement may serve to make us roll during sleep to prevent bedsores, etc.  While lying on one side the dependant inferior turbinate becomes engorged, and when sufficiently blocked the patient will roll to the other side without awakening.  The natural nasal cycle may play a role in this process as well.

     What symptoms does a patient with Empty Nose Syndrome experience?  They feel as though their nose is always congested, and that they cannot entrain sufficient air through their nose to breathe adequately.  They may report they feel as though they are suffocating.  Paradoxically, the individual may report that the only time that they feel as though they are breathing OK is when they have a cold.  Pain may be an issue.  The patient may also complain of crusting in their nose.  These symptoms occur years after a turbinate excision.

Please keep posting and let us know what you find out.
Take care!



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   Posted 2/28/2008 11:58 PM (GMT -6)   
im going to go make an apointment to talk about my concerns with them..the 2nd opinion to me is kind of pointless cause i know what can be done,im on 3 different allergy meds ive tried nasal irrigation,ive been on 4 different antibiotics no improvement so it really does seem like the only route is surgery..i will keep you posted
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