cheddar cheese and goat's milk - milk allergy anyone?

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svetla
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   Posted 12/26/2010 11:53 PM (GMT -7)   
hi, i was recently diagnosed with allergy to milk proteins ( both casein and lactalbumin). the test did not register allergy to goat's milk and (?) cheddar cheese. does anyone know a site giving information about the type of protein that is found in cheddar cheese. i think that if it contains milk ingredients it must contain milk proteins as well, how come i am not allergic to that. and most sites claim that if you are allergic to cow's milk you are almost always allergic to goat's as well. confusing, i do not want to go back and discuss all that with the ND because i already paid so much... i am looking for a more informative site, ....
any suggestions,.....

thank you.

good luck, everyone.

It's Genetic
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   Posted 1/1/2011 9:40 AM (GMT -7)   
That's a real puzzle, Svetla, because all cheese forms are high in thiols (which resemble a form of sulfur). It's possible that mild cheddar and goat cheese are not as high in thiols as other forms of cheese. Or it could be that rennin which is used in making cheese is less intense in mild cheddar and goat cheese.

The body has a threshold of tolerance in allergy; it could be that you don't ingest enough goat cheese or cheddar to trigger an allergic reaction.

I think that goat cheese has always been considered a very mild one.
It certainly tastes that way, doesn't it? The cheddar cheese is more
puzzling to me than goat cheese.

My best guess is to go to foods high in thiols.com and try to discern what that website has to say about cheese. It's pretty informative. You could also try allergy to cheese or allergy to milk casein. One site will probably lead you to another.

Good luck in your search.

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Alcie
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   Posted 1/1/2011 11:19 AM (GMT -7)   
It sounds like it might be worthwhile to try the goat cheese and milk. Maybe the proteins are enough different that you can tolerate them.
What is your allergic response? If it's just an upset stomach or reflux, you could do a challenge test. DO NOT DO IT IF YOU GET THROAT SWELLING!
Milk Challenge: Take 1 teaspoon first, then wait 20 minutes. If no reaction increase dose to 2, wait 20 min, then 4,8, and 16. That should be enough to bring on a response if you are subject to immediate reaction.
Do ask the allergist about this test, if you can!

I am lactose and sulfite intolerant and do not tolerate the hard cheeses, but I can get away with the soft ones. I can drink lactaid milk, so I do not have a protein alergy.
Alcie
 
 

svetla
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   Posted 1/1/2011 1:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,

Thank you for your replies.

I did try the goat cheese and milk and stopped milk products completely and do not experience so much itching as before. My main problem is ulcerative colitis and i suspect everything else results from that. But I have to find a way to deal and live with all that, don't I?

How did you find out you have allergy to sulfites?

I will definitely check the website.

I also borrowed a few books from the library - one of them - FIVE YEARS WITHOUT FOOD- suggests the rotation diet, (i have only browsed the book so far). It claims that if you stop eating the foods you are allergic to, you develop an allergy to foods you start eating then, because you eat too much of them and ... the leaking gut syndrome...

Take care, all!

Happy New Year! shocked shocked yeah

Post Edited (svetla) : 1/1/2011 1:18:35 PM (GMT-7)


It's Genetic
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   Posted 1/1/2011 1:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Svetla,

I did some research on my own because your problem intrigued me.
It appears that it's the fat molecules in goat cheese that make it more easily digestible than cheese made from cow's milk. They are much smaller than cow's milk fat molecules and are, therefore, more gentle on the digestive system. I'm glad to know that because I can tell a difference in how I feel having small amounts of goat cheese in my diet, while cheddar or any of the other forms of cheese will make me break out in skin eruptions.

I suspect, then, that the reason you manage cheddar cheese as well as goat cheese is that cheddar has milder or fewer milk fat particles than heavier cheese does; and the goat cheese has just been discussed.

Check the internet on sulfite allergic reactions. A good site would
be sulfite allergies or sulfite intolerances.

Hope this helps.

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Alcie
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   Posted 1/1/2011 2:00 PM (GMT -7)   
I suspected a sulfite sensitivity because I had been able to drink small amounts of my own wine until one year I sulfited it to kill off the yeastie beasties and started getting gastric reflux followed by tachycardia.  I knew I had problems with certain other foods too, so I went to an allergist.  Actually I went to two allergists.  The first one did a few skin tests and said I didn't have any food allergies.  So I went to the second one who did some more skin tests and said of course I have food allergies.  She told me how to keep a food journal and, after I had a list of foods I thought I didn't tolerate, how to do a food challenge.
 
http://www.learningtarget.com/nosulfites/index.htm  Here's the most scientific, researched website I know of. 
 
After keeping a log of what I ate and my symptoms over a couple of months I had a long list of seemingly unreleated foods, which I found on several websites.  Most of the lists do not specify how much of a food may be ingested before you can expect a reaction.  The one above gives you formulae and explains how to calculate your tolerance. 

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   Posted 1/1/2011 2:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I get a stuffy nose from milk unless the milk is cultured, cooked, or turned into cheese. My guess is somehow the culturing for yogurt or fermenting for cheese-making breaks down whatever part of the protein I'm allergic to. My Allergist suggested also the possibility of a hormone reaction (vaso-vegal) and that boiling milk for 5 minutes removes this component...I'm not convinced, however, because I'm ok with small amounts of uncooked (but still pasteurized) milk if I don't do it too often.

My Brother has a major caseine allergy and the only cheese he is ok eating is Provalone (salt-cured in addition to the fermentation for cheese-making). He gets violently ill from milk or other forms of dairy.

Also, the whey proteins are broken down from culturing or cooking, so you might consider this possibility too...

Allergy tests are not always the most accurate, either - there can be false negatives or false positives with every single test method out there (skin prick/scratch, blood RAST/CAP-RAST IgE, blood ELISA IgG/IgA/IgM, blood ALCAT, skin patch, kinesiology, EDS, etc. - even the double-blind oral challenge can yield false negatives)...
-Razzle

Chronic Lyme, Bart., Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut dysmotility & non-specific inflammation, UCTD, Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube
Meds: Ceftin, Singulair, Claritin, Domperidone, Milk Thistle, homeopathy, probiotics, etc.

svetla
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   Posted 1/1/2011 4:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you, guys/girls.

you are amazing. i am sure you know it, but it helps sometimes when somebody smiles at you :-) :-) :-)

take care.

with all my heart, :-)

It's Genetic
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   Posted 1/2/2011 7:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Razzle,

Milk does the same thing to me; the answer for me is to take three
chewable Lactaid tablets if I have ingested milk or milk products.
It's the Lactose (milk sugar) that causes it in me, and I suspect that it
does others who react this way to ingestion of milk. 100% lactose
free milk doesn't affect me in any way.

Take care.

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