Allergy Meds not helping...how do you know if allergies?

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Lu2011
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   Posted 4/27/2012 10:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi,
 
My 2.5 year old has had a "cold" for all of the month of April.  She's also had runny eyes since the winter.  I took her to the dr last week and he said it could be allergies and told me to try Clariton for kids for 2 weeks. 
 
We've only given it to her for a couple days now, but we're seeing no improvement.  How long do the over the counter meds take to help?  She's suffering so with being constantly congested...esp at night.  I have a similar issue where when I get a cold, no matter now small, I am contiuously congested and only nasonex will clear it (not even sure what my issue is, but the spray does help).
 
So do the meds just take time?  Or would this not be an allergy?  Also, her watery eyes have been for awhile now, but te last few weeks she's been blinking hard like her eyes are dry.
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   Posted 4/28/2012 8:20 AM (GMT -6)   
As a mom of 4 and now a gramdmom of 4, not a doctor, I would follow the doc's direction of trying the allergy meds for 2 weeks. I think they should show some promise in a day if they are going to work, but I'd try for 2 weeks anyway, unless the kid gets worse. Watery eyes are one symptom of allergy.

Nasonex isn't for kids is it? Better look that one up and ask the doc before giving it.

A virus could last for 10 days, maybe more. Bacteria can settle in on top of a cold. If there's an earache you have to call the doc back. If there's yellow or green gunk coing out of her nose it's suposed to be bacteria and I would insist on a culture. But I'm not a doc!

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   Posted 4/28/2012 8:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Do you have a humidifier in her room?
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Lu2011
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   Posted 4/28/2012 5:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you both for your response.  Yeah, the dr said to give it for 2 weeks, it's just that we see no improvement and see her suffering so much.  Shouldn't we see some difference?
 
Yeah, we have a humidifier (although stopped running it the past while) but her nose is running and shes quite congested no matter where she is.
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Now sufer from sacroiliitis and inflammation of piriformis muscle causing sciatica like pain during flare ups. Joints very bad...take celebrex when needed.

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   Posted 4/28/2012 10:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Is she playful or acting as if she really has a virus and is sick? Is she sneezing or rubbing her nose often? Does she grow irritable after a few minutes of play? And is she resting more than she normally does?

She could possibly have a sensitivity to something in her diet. At her age I might guess that it would be the sugar in milk. Have you tried giving her Lactaid milk for a week or so just to see if she is sensitive to the diasaccharide in milk? Lactaid milk is very tasty, but the sugar has been removed. I wouldn't test too long, however. A week is enough to let you know if she's showing marked improvement without the milk containing sugar.

Actually, cow's milk is not good for infants even beyond the first year.  I would try another milk for her, such as soy based or one different from that which she is using now, at least as a trial for 7 days. If she has a sensitivity to milk sugar, she will show remarkable improvement within that time and no harm done.

At this time of the year, it could also be an inhalant that she is sensitive to.  If it is occurring no matter where she is, it's very likely a sensitivity to pollen.

Someone has already said that we are not doctors, so we cannot say that it is necessarily this or that; we can only tell you what has worked for our own infant or another whom we know.
 
The fact that you also have sensitivities to certain things is a
strong indicator that your daughter might also have an inherited gene for allergies and/or sensitivities.

Take care and let us know how you two fare in this.

It's Genetic

Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 4/28/2012 10:29:38 PM (GMT-6)


Lu2011
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   Posted 4/29/2012 6:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi. To answer your questions. Her mood has generally been herself. Only thing is the last two days she's been crying cause she's tired at 6pm. She refuses to nap, but still, that's not like her. So what does needing extra rest mean? Her nose is still running but now she's coughing too...esp at night and she'll have little cough attacks in the day...but it's not necesarily right after a meal. She doesn't have any issues with cow's milk that we know of.
Ulcerative Colitis 1988, had colon removed and now jpouch
Now sufer from sacroiliitis and inflammation of piriformis muscle causing sciatica like pain during flare ups. Joints very bad...take celebrex when needed.

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   Posted 4/29/2012 9:32 PM (GMT -6)   
2.5 year olds almost always take a nap in the afternoon right after lunch.  It sounds as if she has a virus, frankly.

If she were sensitive to milk, you might notice a rather loose bronchial cough after a nap or before dinner (after her lunch has been digested).

Does she sleep with a stuffed animal in her bed with her? If so, see if you can remove that from her crib.

If her mattress and box springs are not encased and her pillow is not encased, please do so to eliminate any possibility of an allergen in her sleeping quarters.

Otherwise, I'd watch her temperature and take her back to the doctor if she isn't improved in a couple of days. Young children can get very sick quickly, but then they recover rapidly also, as you know. If she's been having this all of April, something else is going on, and it definitely sounds like an allergy to something in her
living environment.
 
Do you have pets in the home?  A dog? or a Cat?
Are your floors carpeted?  Is she sleeping in a room that is carpeted?  If so, try to move her quarters to a room that is not
carpeted and make sure that it has been made allergen proof as
best you can.  That means damp cleaning sills, windows, floor,
everything-- and removing rugs if there are any in the room.  She
may also need an air cleaner in her bedroom at night.  They will often remove allergens in the air in a room.

I know how you feel, but chances are tomorrow she'll be much better.  Of course, helping her by making her bedroom allergen
free will be a great help in the long run.

Take care.

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Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 5/2/2012 8:19:56 AM (GMT-6)


Lu2011
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   Posted 4/30/2012 6:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi.
No pets. She was in a crib until two days ago but we have a special sheet on prior to her sheets. Her room is carpeted which we can't help. Last ngiht was awful...she was coughing non stop. I've put a call into th dr.
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Now sufer from sacroiliitis and inflammation of piriformis muscle causing sciatica like pain during flare ups. Joints very bad...take celebrex when needed.

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   Posted 4/30/2012 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
My cousin uses 1/2 dose Clartin during the day, and 1/2 dose Zyrtec at night as this combo seemed to help her more especially with her sleep. Her poor little eyes are always draining and green stuff, stuffy, and coughy. But she is happy and healthy. But PLEASE ask a doc before trying new meds.
I would really look at her Foods. Do you eat around 6pm when she starts to get "sleepy"? Just a thought. I know its hard seeing your little one not up to par. Its hard on you both!
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Lu2011
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   Posted 4/30/2012 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Really appreciate all this advice. Make me feel not so alone as a mom and great suggestions/things to look at as my son never had this issue.

We do eat at 6ish and if she always got tired and started crying cause of it, I'd think nothing of it. But she is always in a good mood (even without naps on weekedns) and she's been strangely tired just the past two days.

Got an appointment for tonight so will see what he says (her pediatrician is quite liberal though as he doesn't like to push meds on kids)

PS - She was a premie so am not sure if that has any long lasting effects on her immune system
Ulcerative Colitis 1988, had colon removed and now jpouch
Now sufer from sacroiliitis and inflammation of piriformis muscle causing sciatica like pain during flare ups. Joints very bad...take celebrex when needed.

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   Posted 4/30/2012 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm so glad you are seeing the doctor.  I just read your post.  If
he suggests that it is definitely an allergy, maybe the following
ideas will help somewhat:
 
I would suggest that you vacuum her room twice a week.
No home is without dust mites, regardless of how carefully or
thoroughly one has the home cleaned.  She may be allergic to their presence, and it would help greatly if you could vacuum twice a week.

If one of your local stores like Home Depot or Lowe's doesn't have it, I would also go online and order a spray which will kill dustmites. Afterwards, vacuum, according to directions. Keep her out of the room for several hours before and right applying the spray and vaccuming.

I am so eager to see her improve, as you are, because I've had a little one in the past and I know that they can have allergies--mine inherited hers from me.  (She later outgrew them.)

Please damp clean your window sills, as well.

Let us know how she gets along.

It's Genetic

Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 5/2/2012 8:39:16 AM (GMT-6)


Lu2011
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   Posted 5/1/2012 5:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi,
 
Well we saw the dr last night and it turns out she now has an ear infection.  Guess all that congestion eventually built up in her ears (and she's prone to them).  So dr prescribed an antibiotic and we'll see if that clears up everything else.  He said to stop the clariton for kids since it's not helping...which makes me wonder if it is an allergry (i.e. wouldn't the meds help if it was???).  Still, doesn't explaint the teary eyes and the fact that she's been congested for all of April, and same thing in Feb. 
 
Interesting to know about the dust mites with vacuuming and the spray.  Sounds like it's worthwhile to try.  Thanks. 
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Now sufer from sacroiliitis and inflammation of piriformis muscle causing sciatica like pain during flare ups. Joints very bad...take celebrex when needed.

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   Posted 5/1/2012 3:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Lu2011, so she has an ear infection. Well, at least you know what that precious little one has been going through, and I'm sure she'll feel better in just a few days.

Take good care of you and your family. Let us know how she gets along.

I'm sure you're relieved to know what it is.

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Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 5/2/2012 8:24:23 AM (GMT-6)


Lu2011
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   Posted 5/2/2012 6:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks It's Genetic.  Yeah, so the constant congestion ultimately turned into an ear infection.  Would that happen with allergies?  We still don't know the root cause of the constant congestion, but the antibiotics are definitely helping her (still coughing / congested, but is better than she was)
 
Thank you all again.  Much appreciated.
Ulcerative Colitis 1988, had colon removed and now jpouch
Now sufer from sacroiliitis and inflammation of piriformis muscle causing sciatica like pain during flare ups. Joints very bad...take celebrex when needed.

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   Posted 5/2/2012 8:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, Lu2011. Constant congestion can turn into an ear infection. I
can't remember how many times I had my left ear lanced when I
was a child.

I just finished a round of antibiotics for an ear infection ultimately caused by spring allergies to things like grass, tree, dust, and molds.

She may outgrow it; my daughter did, as I mentioned earlier.
(Here's a clue given to me by my allergist: we are often sensitive
to the foods we crave!)  You have to weigh the balance between
having her take anitbiotics often and letting her build her immunities.  (Bacteria feed on sugar.)
 
The rest of this can be overwhelming if you try to do all of it at
once.  Take it slowly, eliminating the one you feel is the most
serious possible problem first.  Then, gradually, as she gets better, try to correct some of the other possible conditions.
 
Your mentioning that she was a preemie  gave me the thought
that, if these bouts continue, you might want to see an immunologist.  Her immune system may be down a bit, and a little boosting of it could help a lot.  (It's expensive, I understand, so be prepared if you decide to do that.)  I'm going to see one myself
in July--sort of worried about the expense of it, but will have to wait and see what is recommended.
 
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If you eat a lot of fish, be wary of her getting too much.  Seafood is often a strong allergen, particularly shrimp.  Fish is good for us,
but it can be a serious allergen for folks sensitive to it.
 
Remember that a food allergy is quite different from a food sensitivity.  A food allergy can be dangerous and deadly: throat, tongue swelling, unconsciousness, and emegency treatment of
epinephrine to prevent death.  A food SENSITIVITY, however, is completely different...                 
                                               yeah
 
in that, the individual usually gets  a stuffy nose, bronchitis (particularly with milk sensitivity, because that builds up mucus so easily, leading to coughing) and stomach upsets. The classic example of those who are sensitive to cheese is that it wreaks havoc with the digestive system. 
 
 
I have found that the use of Lactaid milk (in which the sugar has been removed stops the bronchitis--it's really better tasting than whole milk.)  Some of us have an inherited gene that makes it
impossible for us to break down the disaccharide in milk.  The
only way to combat it is to either use a lactose-free milk product or not use milk products at all. 
 
Is there, perhaps, Diabetes anywhere in the family in the past history that you know of?  (No need to answer, but that's a strong positive indication of inherited food sensitivities, particularly sugar in the diet.)  Allergies and sensitivities can be inherited.
 
Also, watch for mold buildup on the outside of your home.  If you
ever do see tiny patches of black mold on the  building, please have your home powerwashed by a professional service who will
spray the home with chlorox and kill all of the mold.  Doing that
could stop an allergy overnight for someone sensitive to it. (It
could need to be done about once every two years.)
 
Finally, watch your child's behavior.  If she doesn't want to go
into a room or resists it, she could be sensing that something
there is bothering her allergies.  If she doesn't like a certain food,
that's a strong indication that she may be sensitive to it.
You virtually have to be a Sherlock Holmes to find out what it
all is that bothers her immune system.
 
Your daughter does not have an allergy to milk, definitely.  She
may have a sensitivity to it, however, which I suspect somewhat strongly. 
 
She needs her milk, however, but she will get enough
sugar in her diet from her vegetables; she needs the calcium in the milk.  I really like Lactaid milk--the only difference is that the milk
sugar (or lactose) has been  removed. 
 
(Doctors aren't usually going to tell you that the sugar in one's diet
can be a cause of food sensitivities. They'd lose patients!)
 
That's really all that I know about this subject, but I do wish
you well while you work at being Sherlock Holmes for discovery
of what your daughter's sensitivities are.

Take care; so glad she's getting better now.  That means you're
feeling better about it all, too.  Glad to hear that.

It's Genetic

Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 5/2/2012 10:48:28 PM (GMT-6)


Lu2011
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   Posted 5/3/2012 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
It's Genetic.  You've certainly given me things to think about.
I actually wouldn't say she's cured.  Still congested and coughing...but relatively better I guess...plus, still doesn't explain why she's been sick for ove a month now (unless it was the bacteria that was sticking around)  The antibioics are a 10 day course though and she's only been on it for 3.5 days.  Sounds like it's worthwhile tryihg Lactaid milk. 
Yes, she was born at 35 weeks so i always quetion if that has to do with her getting sick so often.
No diabetes in my or my husband's family that we know of. 
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Now sufer from sacroiliitis and inflammation of piriformis muscle causing sciatica like pain during flare ups. Joints very bad...take celebrex when needed.

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   Posted 5/5/2012 1:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Strange question Lu, but can you listen to her breathing? I, my son, his half sister, his half brother are all asthmatic. Our first signs of trouble breathing is coughing. It maybe is allergy induced asthma. See if you can get a ped respiratory doctor.
As for the Lactaid Milk, I have to correct the only difference that was posted... half correct. But it also does not have lactose like regular milk does. I ought to know, as I am lactose intolerant. It takes a couple years to develop, but in our house we do local honey. A tablespoon a day. My mother improved on her allergies, as she became "immune" due to the honey. It is worth a try. ALso, try a hot (not to burn) damp wash cloth on her face, showers. You can take her with you during your shower. The steam will help open her airways, and clear congestion.
She is sure a fighter to be born at 35 weeks is amazing. Not many, well at least here, make it.
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   Posted 5/5/2012 8:40 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't see the error in my post, Smurfy Shadow. My statement was that Lactaid milk does not contain sugar. (The sugar has been removed) Milk sugar is lactose, and one may purchase either Lactaid  milk or Lactose-free milk to avoid the disaccharide in milk.

If you've ever tasted lactaid milk, you would not want to put honey in it. It is actually sweeter than regular milk is, according to my taste buds!  (Or maybe you meant that you use local honey separately to help become immune to local allergens.)

Maybe we've both  misread the statements about the use of milk?

I.G.

Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 5/5/2012 9:23:53 AM (GMT-6)

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