Sulfite elimination diet for Hives - Help

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CarCar2000
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   Posted 8/2/2015 8:48 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been looking through a lot of old posts now for a week and have found a lot of great resources. Here is my dilemma.

I've had Chronic Hives for over 6 years. All...the....time....Hives.

I post my story below the diet if you are interested.

For 7 days now, I've started a sulfite "cleanse" I'm trying to get rid of everything sulfites to see if it works. Just when I think I see improvement I wake up with a new outbreak (motrin, kosher salt, bread...ruled them all out over the last week).

Please, look over my log am I missing something?
Please...help me...what still has sulfites?
Oh, and I hope to start B12 today. I was delaying starting that...but I'm desperate.

Breakfast:
Smoothie -
Yogurt (homemade from whole milk, starter was organic plain yogurt - no gelatin etc)
Spinach (organic)
banana
blueberries (from garden)
OJ (not from concentrate)
(was doing sourdough from a local baker, removed that 2 days ago)

Lunch -
Chicken (breast in crockpot - no seasonings)
lettuce (green leaf)
Avocado
Dressing: Yogurt and Lemon or Lime (fresh)
Veggie/Fruit

Dinner -
Chicken (marinated in fresh lemon juice and fresh herbs, grilled)
Potato (boiled then grilled)
Avocado
Veggie/Fruit

These are eaten as snacks as hungry too:
Fruit: Cantaloupe, Oranges, Watermelon, Plums, Banana
Veggie: Carrot, Bell Pepper, Celery, Cucumber, tomato
Fresh squeezed lemon/lime juice

Detox Water: 2qts steeped with cucumber, lemon slices, mint

Other than fresh herbs (rosemary, mint, basil, thyme) I only season with fresh ground himalayan salt.


THE BACK STORY THAT BROUGHT ME TO SULFITES
Long story in bullets:

6yrs ago
- Family Dr. - had no idea referred to
- Dermatologist - biopsied a hive because they last over 24 hours. Diagnosis "Urticarial Vasculitis" (aka...hives - duh)
- Allergist - couldn't test because I didn't have enough "clean" skin. Diagnosis "Prednisone" come back in a week. Allergy tested positive for Cats, trees, mold, weeds... treatment started
Treatment plan: OTC Allergy meds (ALL), Xyxal, Prescription Benedryl, Steroid Cream, and a order to get rid of my cat.

Did this for 2 years, various combos of allergy meds. Nothing actually worked. Hives never went away. I gave up all medications since nothing actually worked (and I wanted to have a baby). And NO, I never got rid of the cat. He was 10 yrs old...love him.

Had a 2nd baby, got mastitis discovered I am now allergic to Dicloxicilin and Sulfa drugs.

Fast Forward to this last year....

1.
-Gluten detox for 2 weeks. No change in Hives.

2.
-Essential Oil (made a special lotion, took a pill allergy "bomb" for 21 days)
-Local Raw Honey (taken every day for 21 days with Essential Oil allergy bomb)
-Apple Cider Vinegar drink (taken every day for 21 days with the above 2)
No change in Hives

3.
ProBiotics for 2 months - no change in Hives.

Month and a half ago:
Back at the Family Dr (new doc)
He decided to try a unique drug combo known to help "Idiopathic Hives"
Tag-a-met and Hydroxichoriquine.

I got so desperately ITCHY i was in tears. After a full 10 days on the above combo I stopped taking it and asked for Prednisone (which I had refused over the last 5 years) to give me some relief. I started to get some relief (though Hives NEVER went away).

On about day 5 of the Prednisone I had 3 slices of little Ceasars Pizza and 2 glasses of White Wine.
COVERED in hives the next morning.

Research says:
Sulfites. The drugs had it. the Pizza. the wine. Ok. This one makes sense. start elimination diet.

Alcie
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   Posted 8/3/2015 4:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Sulfa drugs, pizza and wine give you a possible clue, but it's still not a for-sure cause or your allergy.

Yogurt can have sulfite too.
It can be in meds.
Lotions and detergents can be a problem.
What was the "veggie/fruit?" Some sort of drink? Have fresh stuff only!

Vinegar has sulfite, except rice vinegar.
Who knows what's in probiotics.
Biotin is sulfite, so skip a daily vitamin for a while.

Tagamet - cimetadine - has a sulfur, but I don't know if it comes off during digestion. The liquid has a lot of junk. Tablets have starch.

Hydroxichoriquine is a sulfate, not a sulfite, so shouldn't be a problem for that, but it is known to cause hives.

Stay away from all the current fad treatments for now. They're not regulated and contain who-knows-what.

Benadryl liquid has sulfite, but tablets should be clean.

Look up EVERYTHING!

www.housemouse.com/sulfites.htm might have some tips. Housemouse had serious skin allergy to sulfites.

CarCar2000
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   Posted 8/3/2015 9:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Alcie,

I'm currently taking NONE of those medications (they were just things that I've tried). And I also removed sulfates during this elimination diet (I know they are different than sulfites) from my laundry D, Shampoos, toothpaste, deodorant. The Fruit/Veggie are on the snack lists. Only fresh and most are straight out of the garden right now.

I started the B12 complex that's from the house mouse link. I bought the book from the fries/cola guy.

I just want to eat clean for a while and see if I get rid of the hives. But I feel like every time I turn around I am finding them.

The yogurt is homemade. I make it from Whole milk...the first batch I add 2 Tbsp of store bought plain organic yogurt as the starter. The 2nd batch I make from my home made etc...I made sure to buy a plain yogurt that had NO additives.

I just want to make sure I've got the clean diet before I give up. I've noticed no change. But I don't want to give up unless I know I've really gotten away from sulfites. And how long should I wait? How long does it take to clear them out of your system?

Alcie
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   Posted 8/8/2015 7:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Sulfites should clear out of your system in a day or so, I would guess, although the symptoms they trigger could last much longer. I don't have that problem, so I don't know. Maybe Razzle will come along with an answer if you post to that name.

Bread is really a source unless it's home made. Even bakeries get the stuff in frozen, with "dough conditioners" added. I do have a little from a bakery that advertises "no preservatives."

So maybe you have a different allergy or more than one. A lot of people have a problem with salicylates or fructose. Nothing says you can only have one allergy.

So sorry you are having such a tough time. I would see an allergist, not the family doc. I tried 3 before I found the one for me.

Razzle
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   Posted 8/15/2015 8:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Your diet is fairly clean and relatively low in sulfites compared to most.

The bacteria that make yogurt (aka, "yogurt starter") produce sulfites as a byproduct of fermenting the sugars in the milk.

Tomatoes contain natural sulfites. Peeling them before eating will reduce but not totally eliminate the sulfites.

Many agricultural chemicals (fertilizers, pesticides) contain sulfites.

Tap water contains sulfites. Use Crystal Geyser bottled water, or distill your tap water. Carbon water filters will put sulfites into the filtered water (I learned this the hard way).

It can take a while to get rid of stored sulfites. Itchy skin is a symptom of liver disease, so you may need to do a liver cleanse at some point.

To get rid of the stored sulfites, it would be good to look into Dr. Yasko's CBS variant protocol:

Low sulfur/sulfite diet (which you're already doing)
Low taurine diet
Avoid take high-dose Vitamin B6 or P5P
Molybdenum supplement (Carleson's makes a good one)
Vitamin B12 (best form is adenosylcobolamin or hydroxocobolamin, but methylcobolamin is ok; avoid cyanocobolamin in large doses)
Magnesium-Charcoal detox flushes periodically

When I get exposed to sulfites that trigger a severe reaction for me, I find that I need to use a combination of antihistamine medication, Vitamin B12, Molybdenum and homeopathic remedies (Nux V. & Ipecac.) to stop the reaction. My urine will often smell like sulfur after one of these reactions.

You can get sulfite & sulfate test strips on Amazon.com; checking foods and your urine for sulfites & sulfates can be interesting (I think Rick talks about this in his fries/cola sulfites book). Be aware, however, that the test strips cannot detect amounts below 10ppm.

Hives can also have other causes (chronic infections, other allergies, etc.). And if you are allergic to your cat, do your hives go away if you spend more than 24 hours away from the cat (and not around any other cats)?
-Razzle

Chronic Lyme, Bart., Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut dysmotility & non-specific inflammation, Lupus, Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN-dependent
Meds: Flagyl, Cefazolin, Essential Oils, Homeopathy, etc.

Poppie
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   Posted 8/21/2015 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I do sympathize as I am going through it myself at the moment. I went to see an allergist last week, and it turns out I can't have rice!! Rice is something I have been eating twice a day!! so hopefully the hives on my forehead might start to go away, I mention this because it really is worth going to see an allergist, never would I have thought that rice would be causing me problems....
Samantha, 45 yrs
Stopped smoking Jan 2013. Diagnosed Left sided UC, 8th Feb 2014.
Pentasa..2g daily. Vitamin D, Multivitamin, Calcium, St Johns Wort.
Gluten free from Sept 2014, Dairy free from Dec 2014
Diet..Kefir, Coconut Yogurt, Sauerkraut, Nopal, all help. In clinical remission as of July 2015
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