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   Posted 12/3/2006 6:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello everyone who suffersfrom this,

I really respect you guys all of you. And I bet you are wonderful people and you all have so much to give in the world.

I have to say and I am speaking from experience. Panic attacks don't have to control your life. I am so in control now and it is wonderful to have this feeling and time and effort and energy is freed up to do wonderful things that I have always wanted. I used to get this attacks very intensely, and I tried everything and nothing seemed to work. I read books, listened to audio tapes from various people many useless and some valuable. I definitely was not going to take pills or medication of any kind. Cause what is that doing to you, what harm is tht really doing to the rest of your body. Is this really the only answer for you/ me? Well that depends on the individual. I decided not to go down that route because I knew that I could have control again and I knew this was just something that needed to happen to move forward in my life. I am not saying this to boost, I am saying it because I believe anyone can do this because I have done it and I care about people and want them to live a full life. Because you all deserve it. You are all important to somebody and you mean a lot. And those people you love they want the best for you and they don't want you to suffer anymore.

The good news is that you don't need to suffer and you must decide that you don't want to anymore. This is what it is all about. It is about that commitment and saying that I will never let this control me ever again. Let me tell you this, if you believe medication is the only way, then guess what you are only going to take medication your entire life. If you believe that you can beat this condition you will find a way. Here is the thing, you have to be committed. What is committment and what does it take to be committed?

Well, it takes a compelling reason. What are all the things that you can do if you don't suffer anymore. Write them down and imagine them happening, actually see yourself having these wonderful experiences and get really excited about experiencing. Day dream, night dream and FEEL what that experience is like and for god sake enjoy it. What would it be like to never get rid of this condition? How painful would it be in 5 or 10 years to still be suffering. Who will this effect? What will your career be like? What will your love life be like? What will your health be like? How bad will this get, imagine how terrible you will feel if you never make this decision to get rid of this? Do this exercise and soon you will want to start to take new actions.

I know you can do this all of you and it depends on you it all depends on you and what you decide. No doctor, no psychologist, no nurse, no friend, no drug, nobody can deal with this except for you and only you. Yes, people can guide you but the action and implementation has to come from all of you. Find out how other people have overcome this and do the same as them. Just copy other people. I read, listened, wrote, spoke to councillors, did exercises until I found a way.

And hey, I noticed all of you guys talk about your painful experiences, why not talk about your breakthroughs, your great experiences. Its not wrong that you share your stories, but I will say that it is not helping any of you. Yes it makes you feel better but it doesn't help you to grow. If you talk about your pleasant and incredible breakthroughs then others can copy you and it can work for them too. This way you are truly contributing to each other and really helping each other.

Guys let me know how you feel about my posts. They are different and I want to help and I hope they are helpful for at least some of you!

Sending you all LOVE my friends

Ben :-) :-)

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   Posted 12/3/2006 6:37 PM (GMT -6)   

recovery without meds requires learning CBT, which you seem to have done, positive thinking also helps but, IMO, recovery just using willpower isnt possible

meds help speed up recovery, many of us cant get our recovery started without them

also some have lost nearly all their confidence and trust in themselves and need meds to give them courage to leave their house

recovered former longtime anxiety and panic attack sufferer and helper of other sufferers  but no training or  qualifications in medicine or psychology, any remarks that may be taken as advice must be confirmed with doctor or other health professional

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Date Joined Dec 2006
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   Posted 12/3/2006 8:39 PM (GMT -6)   
that's me .........without the meds i couldn't even leave the house. much less cope with simple everyday events like cleaning house or cooking supper. i just totally spiral out of control but i am glad that you have managed to do all of this w/o meds. good luck to you

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   Posted 12/4/2006 10:47 AM (GMT -6)   
I am sorry Ben but ( lol) there are many that do post their good experiences and their triumphs over this dang disorder not all posts are negative I read every one of them believe me there are many uplifting and inspirational ones too ..........
Meds are needed by many as well and there is no shame attached to that it does not mean you are weak it just means you ned meds
ppl are trying new ways, finding out new ways by other members on the board on what and how to come about and turn things around if its only by baby steps then thats fantastic at least it is a step IMO.
I have seen members weak and not finding the light at end of tunnel to being so strong and Laughing out saying they are doing great and you can tell by there post they are
CBT,meditation, Relaxation all kinds of things have helped them so has HW and the support here.....
I know the dark place is hard to get from but I have seen quite a number do it in my time here
You have done great w/o meds good for you am glad for you
BUT others do and I am one that needs meds to function with this and other illnesses I have
There is no shame I say and others too in having to take the meds out there .......
Be well
BTW I also believe in sharing the good bad and the ugly also helps on your road to recovery if you can connect to someone that HAS been where you are or is it is alot easier to fight the fight and get thru this .....
Support is a GOOD thing and we all share our bad moments .yes to get it off our chest and feel better but too we have become a " lil family" here that do care about and for others we have come to know on here.........WE do have Inspirational and Happy threads .as well as other threads of growing nuturing and making it to our goal threads .We do not all fit into one category for sure but to support one another is an awesome feeling .......IMO

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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 12/4/2006 8:53:53 AM (GMT-7)

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   Posted 12/4/2006 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh guys,

I never made meant make you feel you are wrong for taking meds. That is your choice and only your choice. It is not wrong. Everyone has their way. I simply wanted to express my opinion to all of you because it is something that is important to me as I want to help others grow and be free.

I also want you to be aware that drug companies make a lot of money from having somebody on their drugs for a lifetime and doctors and psychologists are trained by drug companies. My opinion is that their is a cure for everything out there that is natural. I completely changed my diet as well to combat my problem and this is all part in parcel. I just want to create awareness. I want you all to know what I know, not to preach and tell you what to do, just for you to try this new jacket on and see if it works for you. If it doesn't fit you then at least you have tried!!!!

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   Posted 12/4/2006 1:58 PM (GMT -6)   

Many people have tried many things here. From herbals to meds to counceling etc. What works for one does not always work for all. Would you tell an insulin dependant diabetic to change thier life and there problem will go away? That doesnt always work. Auto immune disorders etc some things require meds its simple as that.
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   Posted 12/5/2006 2:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Ben, it sounds like you have found what works for you and I believe in the power of visualization too. But are you saying that if I simply "decide" not to be depressed or anxious anymore that I can no longer be depressed or anxious? My depression is situational and self-esteem issues. I believe that healing and recovery is a process, a journey. I don't think most people can overcome these disorders simply by saying "I decide." Depression is an illness not unlike diabetes. Sometimes it is chemical. You wouldn't tell a diabetic to just "decide" not to be a diabetic anymore, would you? Have you ever suffered with depression or just panic attacks? How long has it been since you've had an attack? Did you do any CBT or did you simply "decide" and that was it? I'm really curious.
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Date Joined Nov 2006
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   Posted 12/5/2006 3:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi there,

Diabetes is very different because people can go blind and something serious can happen to their physical self. As it happens there is a lot that you can do to lessen insulin intake and there are ways to move towards a healthier lifestyle. Depression and anxiety is literally something very different. Nothing can happen to you physically unless you allow it to happen. Having Panic and / or Anxiety attacks is not threatening to your health except maybe all the adrenalin that you may let out when you have one. You can't die from these attacks.

Yes I did suffer from depression and this was the worst point in my life. What did I do, I did use CBT a little. I read more on NLP and other Neuro Assiociative Conditioning tools and used a lot of what Anthony Robbins taught me. I highly recommend you check out his books. They are
'Unlimited Power'
'Awaken The Giant Within'

or buy one of his audio programmes.

Use this as an example of what I mean. When you are depressed what do you do, what do you look like. If I said to you there was someone who was depressed behind the door, how would you descirbe what he looked like.
He would be breathing very shallow, eyes looking down, he would be slumped over and his internal dialogue would be giving him some a seroius thrashing, face would be all sunken and unhappy looking. Internal dialogue is simply what we say to ourselves all the time. Becoming conscoius of this is a starting point for success.
My point is that you do some certain things when you feel depressed. Try this. When you feel depressed stand tall, put a smile on your face, lift your chest out and up, eyes looking straight ahead, smile, breath long and deep and practice doing it all the time. What do you feel like now? If you condition yourself to do this all the time and become aware then you will move away from depression very quickly.

These are one of the many things I have done, try it on. Practice, practice, practice.

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   Posted 12/5/2006 4:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Ben Butt said...
Hi there,

Diabetes is very different because people can go blind and something serious can happen to their physical self. As it happens there is a lot that you can do to lessen insulin intake and there are ways to move towards a healthier lifestyle. Depression and anxiety is literally something very different. Nothing can happen to you physically unless you allow it to happen. Having Panic and / or Anxiety attacks is not threatening to your health except maybe all the adrenalin that you may let out when you have one. You can't die from these attacks.

sorry, ben, I have to disagree. I don't think there is any 'proof' of someone dying from a panic attack, but I believe it can cause serious life-threatening phyisical problems. I've been diagnosed with very severe reflux (need surgery), sleep apnea, and severe food-allergies and I'm convinced that it is from Panic Disorder. I never had problems until PD developed. Bleeding ulcers, seizures, bowel problems, and life-threatening blood pressure problems are problems some with PD suffer with. Who knows if this added stress to our bodies doesn't cause diseases in the future? I don't think PD has been studied enough and I certainly consider it a disease, just like diabetes. 

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   Posted 12/5/2006 4:20 AM (GMT -6)   

I just wanted to add that I've suffered with this for 13 years and almost this whole battle has been fought without medication (just the occasional klonopin in case of a severe attack), so it is possible. But I'm not recommending it. 

I never take aspirin, anti-depressants,  sleep aids, even anti-biotics. Sometimes I wish that I had been on regular meds from the beginning and maybe i would have felt some relief.

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   Posted 12/5/2006 5:16 AM (GMT -6)   

Hi Ben ,

My depression is called bipolar which I believe is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain which is present from birth (come in here peeps if I've got it wrong) so I don't think it can be made better by positive thinking and visualisation - sometimes I can't move let alone stand up. I can battle the suicidal thoughts but I can't shift the feeling dep gives you.

What's your experience with dep , what type do you have?

Scientists have already proved that stress can shorten a persons life.

My experience with PD are tiredness , IBS , sickness , indigestion , dermatitis - led to cellulitus and two infections , food sensitivity , headaches that last more than a day , dental problems from teeth grinding , loss of appetite blah blah blah........... I don't feel I have control over these things.

I'm glad you have been able to come through the other side - well done on your recovery.

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   Posted 12/5/2006 9:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I have the autoimmune deficiency disorder which causes my body to literally EAT my Skin(not kin wishful thinkin lol) away to the bones and tissues called 'Pyoderma Gangrenosum' and stress exascarbates (sp) it it is connected to my crohns and other illnesses as well
Believe me I would really rather live one day w/o taking as many meds as I have to just to 'Function"

I a so glad you have gotten your recovery another way many ppl have and thats great ........kudos to you

NO offence taken here and hope you will continue to be in the forum we all are different as you know

I for one am fully aware of the profits drug companies make/as well as the pharmacies

I owned and ran my own retirement NH for yrs before getting to sick and it is a crime but it is also something ppl need they will pay

Just like cigs the gov puts all these bleeding ads not to smoke yet at least TWO THIRDS of what you pay for them is profit for whom

GOVERNMENT: I buy mine at reserve and pay a third of what ppl pay for a carton .....go figure

Not advocating smoking all ......

Anyways Ben like I said no offense taken by me and hope you are not offended by me either


Have a great day yeah ..........LYN






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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 2/17/2007 12:16:52 AM (GMT-7)

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